The Rachel Maddow Show, Transcript 09/11/15

Guests:
Lynda Rouner
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CHRIS HAYES, “ALL IN” HOST: Who knows how long that will last?
(INAUDIBLE) and Lynn Sweet, thanks for joining us.

That is “ALL IN” for this evening.

THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW starts now.

Good evening, Rachel.

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: Good evening, Chris. Happy Friday, my
friend.

HAYES: Thank you. You, too.

MADDOW: And thanks to you at home as well for joining us this hour.

This time four years ago, this time in the last race for the
presidency, it was a big field of presidential candidates on the Republican
side. But this time four years ago there was one clear front runner.

By mid-September, by this time four years ago, not only did the
Republicans have someone who is leading in the early states and nationally,
but by this time in the race four years ago, this one front runner had been
the clear front runner in more than 15 straight national polls. He led in
the polls at that point he had been leading ever since the first moment he
got in the race.

And it was interesting because he got in a little late. The front
runner this time four years ago hadn`t got in the race until mid-August.
All the other candidates in the spring, early summer but this guy held out
for months and it suited him well. I mean, all the other candidates are
doing their thing or out there campaigning and tearing each other down,
right?

But he, for months of that time got to stay out of the fray and he
got to just enjoy all of the people who were imploring him that he ought to
get in the race too because he clearly could win.

(BEGIN VIDOE CLIP)

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, FOX NEWS: You say you don`t want to run for
president. Why not? Or are you tempted?

RICK PERRY (R), THEN-TEXAS GOVERNOR: At the end of the day, for the
next week I have a legislative session that I`m focused on. And, you know,
my hope is that person will come forward that can win the presidency that
we can all get behind.

VAN SUSTEREN: Are you tempted?

PERRY: I can`t say I`m not tempted.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: I can`t say I`m not tempted. My friend Greta Van Susteren
interviewing Rick Perry in 2011, four years ago. But that was actually May
of 2011. It was not until August of that year he finally got in.

And even though he was beating Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich and
Herman Cain and all the rest of them as soon as he got in, as soon as he
declared his candidacy. It was interesting what happened to Rick Perry
soon after, because he came in as this front runner. The guy who everybody
thought would win. But once he started campaigning, there were signs in
the ways he campaigned, signs in the ways he conducted himself in the
debates, signs in the ways he talked to Republican audiences, they were
just signs that he maybe wasn`t the candidate who everyone expected him to
be.

I mean, Rick Perry four years ago was supposed to win the Republican
nomination hands down because he was going to be this swaggering, six guns,
you know, borderline secessionist, Texas tough guy governor candidate.

But then he did finally get in the race and it turns out this is how
he campaigned.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PERRY: The good news is that little plan that I shared with you
doesn`t force the granite state to expand your tax footprint. If you know
what I mean, like 9 percent in expansion.

(LAUGHTER)

I love Herman. Is he the best? I have fun with him. He`s a great
interesting guy. Thank you, Herman, for helping pay for the event tonight.

(LAUGHTER)

Everybody`s got a slogan, right? Mine is cut, balance and grow. Get
that. Yeah. Cut the size of this government, and balance that budget and
grow the economy. It is pretty simple actually.

Or you can stay in the old system out there and, Senator, you know
the ones that want to stay in the old system, pay the lawyers, pay
accountants all that money is gone, or that!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: That was Rick Perry in New Hampshire in his 2012
presidential campaign when he tried to run four years ago.

And he had this great resume. It`s kind of perfect resume. On
paper, he was the perfect candidate. He was definitely the Romney slayer,
right? But that was sort of how he campaigned. It was a disaster, a new
disaster every day.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REPORTER: About the two next wars, how do you feel about it?

PERRY: She asked about Iran, Afghanistan, and I try not to – I try
not to make a connection between – or excuse me, Iraq. Thank you very
much. That will be on the front page of the – something. Iraq.

When you see his appointment, from my perspective inarguably activist
judges, whether it was – not the mayor –

REPORTER: Sonya Sotomayor?

PERRY: Sotomayor.

And the fact is, those of you that are sitting in this – in this
hall who are going to inherit this country are counting on us. Those of
you that are – will be 21 by November the 12th, I ask for your support and
your vote.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: The election was not on November 12th. It was on November
6th that year. And you don`t have to be 21 to vote. You only need to be
18 to vote.

Don`t listen to Rick Perry, kids, whatever you do, he has no idea
what he is talking about.

Rick Perry was an unexpected catastrophe in his presidential campaign
in 2012, even before he got to oops.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PERRY: And I will tell you, it`s three agencies of government when I
get there that are gone – Commerce, Education and the – what`s the third
one there? Let`s see.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You mean five.

PERRY: Oh, five, OK. So, Commerce, Education and the –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: EPA.

PERRY: EPA, there you go. No, kidding.

MODERATOR: Seriously? Is EPA one you were talking about?

PERRY: No, sir, no, sir. We are talking about the agencies of
government – the EPA needs to be rebuilt. No doubt about that.

MODERATOR: You can`t name the third one?

PERRY: The third agency of government, I would do away with
Education, the Commerce and – let`s see, I can`t. The third one I can`t.
Sorry. Oops.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: That is remembered as the end of Rick Perry`s campaign in
2012 but it was not. That happened in November. He kept that campaign
going for a couple more months. The following month, he put out an
unintentionally funny super anti-gay ad where he looked like a well pressed
Marlboro man.

He – after the “oops” thing he told the kids in New Hampshire they
couldn`t vote until they were 21 and until six days after the election. I
mean, Rick Perry kept going long enough to come in fifth in the Iowa
caucuses and sixth in New Hampshire. This is after he had been the front
runner in poll after poll after he first got in.

But when he did get in, he just did a terrible job. By mid-January
he dropped out, four years ago, went back to being governor of Texas.

And then four years later, despite that terrible experience in 2012,
he decided he would run again. Even if you forgot about the other things,
about the way he campaigned in 2012, honestly that oops thing is just
unforgettable. It was just one of the most indelible moments of the whole
2012 race. If you were bored by the campaign of 2012, you were entertained
by oops.

So, that`s hard to get over. And when Rick Perry decided to get back
in this year, he knew he would have to get over it and an explanation why
oops happened. Why he was so bad in 2012 and all of those things happened
and why it wasn`t going to happen again. He did have an explanation this
year for why he was so bad in 2012 and he wouldn`t be this year. He had an
explanation and it was an interesting one.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

PERRY: There were two issues with me in 2011. One is I wasn`t
healthy. You all you know the health stories and we`re going to – you
know, that was what it was.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

MADDOW: He went on to say that the second thing that was the problem
with him in 2011 was that he over-prepared.

But the first thing and main explanation, Rick Perry gave to the
press this year for why he did so badly four years ago is that he said he
was hurt, that he was physically unwell. He was unhealthy. And it had all
sorts of consequences for him but he specifically had back surgery at a bad
time and it went so poorly that it screwed up his whole campaign.

You said there. You heard him in that clip. You know all of the
help stories. That`s what it was, right? The health stories were about
not the fact that he had back surgery in 2011 and was in pain, the health
stories that came out around his campaign that year was something sketchy
happened around his back surgery.

“Vanity Fair” reported around the time he got out of the race in
January 2012, that not only had Rick Perry have back surgery, he had made
this terrible and in the end politically tragic decision to basically let a
friend of his practice amateur back surgery on him.

Here`s “Vanity Fair” from January 2012. Quote, “The most intriguing
explanation for Perry`s collapse has been quietly circulating in Austin for
weeks. This theory suggests that the governor is suffering from the
aftereffects of his low back surgery in July, six weeks before he announced
his candidacy. His surgeon, a friend who operates a Houston medical day
spa, specializing in liposuction and laser hair removal, fused two of
Perry`s vertebra together and then injected the governor for the first time
in the surgeon`s career with two teaspoonfuls of stem cells that had what
been cultured from fatty tissue taken from Perry`s hip.”

If you have to explain why you can`t tell Iran from Iraq, and why you
think the name Sotomayor starts with an M and why don`t remember the name
of the election that you`re running in, and you don`t know who`s allowed to
vote, and you can`t remember your own campaign platform even when people
are trying to help you and you give speeches. If you need a tough guy
explanation for what happened back in 2012, well, then I had my friend give
me amateur back surgery he had never done before. That`s a pretty good
explanation.

And so, when Rick Perry chose to run again this year, he explained
that the only reason he did so badly in 2012 was those health stories, that
health concern, that amateur back surgery. That`s what happened last time.
Obviously, that was not going to be an issue this time and so he`d be fine.

Well, now, having seen Rick Perry campaign four years later, having
seen Rick Perry campaign in 2015, I think we can simply say that his
amateur back surgery in 2011 wasn`t the problem.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

FEMALE TV ANCHOR: Joining me now former Texas Governor Rick Perry.

Governor, do you want to make news today on the real story. Is
Donald Trump right? Are you getting out of the race?

PERRY: You know, a broken clock is right once a day. So –

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: Twice – broken – twice.

Donald Trump was premature in declaring that Rick Perry was dropping
out of the presidential race. Rick Perry went on FOX News that day to say
that he was – he is still there, still working and he made a good effort
in the interview to try to get back to his campaign talking points, but
Donald Trump ended up right in substance if not on timing.

And tonight, after losing his first Iowa campaign co-chair to the
Donald Trump campaign and losing his second Iowa co-chair to the Rick
Santorum campaign, and then shutting down his New Hampshire campaign all
together and shutting down his South Carolina headquarters earlier this
week, tonight, after not paying his staff for weeks, Rick Perry made it
official and he became the first major party candidate to formally drop out
of the race.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PERRY: When I gave my life to Christ, I said, “Your ways are greater
than my ways. Your will is superior to mine.”

Today, I submit to you his will remains a mystery. But some things
have come – have become very clear to me. That is why today, I am
suspending my campaign for the presidency of the United States.

We have a tremendous field of candidates, probably the greatest group
of men and women. I step aside knowing our party`s in good hands.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: In his prepared remarks, he was supposed to say we have a
tremendous field, the best in a generation, departed there, but he said I
step aside knowing our party is in good hands.

Rick Perry was the first party candidate to ever make a run for the
presidency of the United States while also simultaneously being under
criminal indictment. So maybe this year he`s a special case. Maybe you
can`t run for president while you are also fighting a criminal corruption
case at home.

That said, Rick Perry is one of a surprisingly large number of well-
known, supposedly top-tier Republican candidates with great presidential-
looking resumes who have tanked in the campaign so far this year. I mean,
it`s got to be a very sobering thing today for these guys to see Rick Perry
dropping out the race today, because as he said, it is clear to him there`s
no point in him continuing.

Well, it`s got to be a sobering thing to look at Rick Perry getting
out of the race if you are Chris Christie or Rick Santorum or Lindsey
Graham today, because in the latest Republican presidential poll that just
came out today, in the Quinnipiac poll that just came out in Iowa, Rick
Perry who just quit, because of a hopeless campaign, he`s tied in the polls
with Chris Christie, and Rick Santorum and Lindsey Graham. They are all at
1 percent with Rick Perry.

The last Iowa poll before that, Lindsey Graham was tied with Rick
Perry at zero percent. I mean, it`s not a point you have to ask yourself
why is Rick Perry the only one who is quitting.

Ordinarily when a big candidate gets out of the race, everybody else
scrambles to try to pick up their voters. In this case, it is a question
of whether there are any Rick Perry voters to be redistributed.

One candidate, though, is making an overt play today for something
that Rick Perry`s departure potentially does make possible for him.

CNN, of course, has the next Republican debate. It will happen on
Wednesday. Up until today, there were 17 candidates running for the
Republican nomination. CNN decided to disqualify one of the candidates all
together. They decided they wouldn`t allow Jim Gilmore in to either their
debate or their kids` table event. So, that got them down to 16 candidates
to distribute.

CNN further then decided that of the 16, they would take ten and put
them in big debate and six in the kids` table debate. Then, after that,
CNN changed the rules and decided instead of ten they would take 11
candidates and put them in the primetime debate and they put five
candidates in the other debate, 11 and five. OK. Well, now, one of those
five is dead politically speaking.

So, the CNN plan right now is to have 11 candidates in one of their
debate events and four candidates in the other, but they`re still not going
to let that one other guy qualify for either.

Well, that one other guy is Jim Gilmore. I think this means he would
please like Rick Perry`s seat at the kids table on CNN on Wednesday.

It is all the more ridiculous now that CNN is still splitting this
weird giant field of candidates into a real debate and a kids` table
debate, really, 11 and four?

But there are a lot of weird things about the presidential race this
year. As of tonight, Rick Perry will no longer be one of them.

Lots more to come tonight. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PERRY: Today, I`m suspending my campaign for the presidency of the
United States. We have a tremendous field of candidates, probably the
greatest group of men and women. I step aside knowing our party`s in good
hands.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: Governor Rick Perry of Texas losing the thread, but
nevertheless managing to drop out of the race for the president in a speech
in Texas.

In the latest Iowa poll from Quinnipiac, Rick Perry was at just 1
percent in Iowa. But so were three other candidates that show no sign of
dropping out. New Jersey Republican Governor Chris Christie is one of the
three in the poll that was tied with Perry in Iowa at 1 percent.

But you know what? Governor Christie got potential good news for his
campaign today. One of the things that has been looming for Governor
Christie was the prospect of the criminal trials of his former staffers and
employees in the bridgegate scandals. Those trials were due to start up
next month.

If you are polling at 1 percent in Iowa already, you`re on the brink
already of not making debates, having your staffers go on corruption trial
from your administration is nothing to look forward to.

Well, the good news that arrived today is that those criminal trials,
those bridgegate trials that were supposed to start next month have now
been delayed by the courts until March. So, those trials could still very
well be political kryptonite for Governor Christie when they start up, but
they won`t have a chance to derail his campaign until March, provided his
presidential campaign still exists in March.

As of tonight, Rick Perry is the first candidate to drop out. Why
him first and who`s likely to be next?

Joining us now is Beth Fouhy. She`s senior editor for MSNBC.com.

Beth, it`s great to have you here tonight. Thanks for being here.

BETH FOUHY, SENIOR EDITOR, MSNBC.COM: You bet.

MADDOW: Usually people redistribute the support of candidates who
quit to other people who are very desirous of their supporters. I`m not
sure there`s anything of Rick Perry`s to distribute. Is that fair?

FOUHY: Yes, he didn`t have a lane in this particular race. I mean,
everything that you said in this first segment is true. He completely
destroyed himself in 2012 and this field is so large and split among so
many people and Donald Trump is so dominant that Rick Perry really never
carved out an avenue that was logically his. He is a conservative. He`s
Christian. There are many candidates in the field who are both and horse
runner candidates.

MADDOW: When we saw the size of the field, we thought it was going
to be 17 people, what everyone thought would happen was it would be hard
for people to break out. Everybody would be splitting small numbers.
Instead, what we`ve got is 15 candidates splitting very small numbers and
two candidates who are popping in poll after poll after poll now. Early
state and national numbers, Ben Carson and Donald Trump are in double-
digits and everybody else in single digits.

FOUHY: Yes.

MADDOW: Does that mean we should see Rick Perry as the first of the
whole bunch of them who are going to leave now? Or was he a special case?

FOUHY: You know, we are going to see others drop out. But we`ve got
this unusual situation as you know that the money fight is different this
time. We`ve got people being propped up by super PACs, so they can stay in
much longer than they would have otherwise. We have Rick Santorum who`s
not polling well anywhere.

You`ve interviewed Rick Santorum. He`s got a super PAC that is going
to stand behind him, apparently comes thick or thin. But then you have
other candidates who were supposed to be do well on their own like Scott
Walker, promising guy six months ago. He`s got the support of the Koch
brothers, he is totally tanking, as well.

So, there`s no real rhyme or reason as to why these people are flat,
except for Trump and except for Ben Carson who like Trump is an outsider.

MADDOW: In terms of Governor Walker, specifically, one reason I have
been fascinated with this Iowa poll is not just because Rick Perry has got
to quit and there are others that are worse or tied with him in that poll,
but it is specifically Scott Walker. The last Quinnipiac Iowa poll had
Scott Walker in first place in Iowa. This next one, he`s dropped 15
points. He`s now in tenth place.

Is there precedent for that sort of thing? I`m trying to find a
precipitating event in the Scott Walker near history that tells us what is
going on there. Is it that just Trump is taking all his numbers or is
there something else that we can`t see?

FOUHY: Trump, of course, has devastated basically everybody in this
field except for Ben Carson.

Walker, on the other hand, I think suffered by the fact that he came
in very, very strong last February. He gave that great speech in Iowa to
the Iowa Freedom Foundation, did very well, excited conservatives. He had
a good solid record as a Republican governor of a blue state, he cut taxes,
he had pushed back on labor, very, very good credentials.

But then we found out, whoa, he has no charisma and he was totally
ill-prepared. He was not prepared for the spotlight to be on him that
early. He dropped out after he made a couple of embarrassing statements.
Went back to learn history and some foreign policy. By then he had slowed
down. The momentum was basically gone.

Others had moved in and sort of taken that lane that he was trying to
grab in Iowa, like Ted Cruz, who are stronger candidates, better for the
long haul, have a ton of money and he basically kind of lost his place.
And he had a chance to redeem himself at the last debate and he didn`t.

MADDOW: Beth Fouhy, MSNBC senior editor, host of “Reporters
Notebook” on Shift. Beth, this is – I did not – I knew that Rick Perry
was going to get out. I did not know he was going to get out late on a
Friday at this point in the race. But the next person that drops out let`s
come back and do this again.

FOUHY: Definitely.

MADDOW: Thanks, Beth.

FOUHY: Thanks, Rachel.

MADDOW: All right. We have some exclusive new polling tonight from
the Democratic side of the race that has some very surprising numbers in
it. And we`ve got quite possibly the funniest thing ever said on either
side of the race since the whole race started.

Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. BOBBY JINDAL (R-LA), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I think it`s
pretty outrageous for him to be attacking anybody`s appearance when he
looks like he`s got a squirrel sitting on his head.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: Rick Perry`s out. Scott Walker has dropped from first place
in the Quinnipiac poll in Iowa the last time around to tenth place in their
poll that`s out today. Scott Walker is falling off the map. Donald Trump
winning there and winning everywhere else. Now, Donald Trump`s campaign
says they`ve just given out 20,000 tickets for a Donald Trump speech in
Dallas on Monday.

Bobby Jindal really did just tell CBS that Donald Trump should not
make fun of Carly Fiorina`s appearance since he himself looks like he has a
squirrel sitting on his head.

The Republican race for president this year is so nutty and it is
swerving around so unpredictably right now that if the Republican
presidential were a car and you were a cop, you would pull it over and
breathalyze it.

On the Democratic side, though, we are also getting new signs of that
race starting to weave in and out of its lanes, because tonight, I can give
you brand new hot off the press polling, this is from the brand new
MSNBC/Telemundo/Marist poll which gives one interesting new angle on what`s
going on among the Democrats.

Now, this full poll is not going to come out until next week. But
we`ve got an advanced look at the matchups that they just polled nationwide
for Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden versus a few different top tier potential
Republican candidates.

So, as you can see all the matchups here, there`s Hillary Clinton on
the top row. There`s Joe Biden on the bottom row. The bottom line from
what you can see here, the big headline here is that in these hypothetical
general election matchups, Democrats beat Republicans every single time, in
every single matchup.

But, again, in this new poll, again it`s brand new from NBC,
Telemundo and Marist, we`re just getting this tonight, Vice President Biden
who is not running at this point, Vice President Biden beats every
candidate by a larger margin than Hillary Clinton does. I mean, they are
both winning against Trump, or Jeb, or Cruz or Rubio, but Biden wins by
more.

And there`s honestly no point in speculating whether or not Vice
President Biden is going to get in the race. He has made more than clear
that he just hasn`t decided. And so, by definition, if he doesn`t know
than nobody knows.

But if one of the things that is affecting his decision-making
process about whether or not to get in is the prospect of his viability as
a candidate, the question of whether or not he could win. Polling like
this, which shows him beating Republicans more handedly than Hillary
Clinton does, polling like this has to be seen as a nudge.

Well, there are two other things to watch for here. One is the other
Democratic candidate who was happily, completely confounding pundits in the
Beltway press on the Democratic side and that, of course, is Bernie
Sanders. Bernie Sanders, right now, is fresh off of this Iowa poll this
week that put him for the first time leading the field in Iowa.

That comes after three straight polls in New Hampshire which also
showed Bernie Sanders leading the field in New Hampshire. After all of
that, Bernie Sanders, the Vermont socialist, is now heading south. He
spent today in Atlanta. Tomorrow, he`s going to be doing three
appearances, three town hall meetings in a row in South Carolina. He`s
going to be doing those three town hall events in South Carolina alongside
African-American studies professor Cornell West.

So, the pundit class has this easy dismissal of Bernie Sanders, which
is that he can`t compete for the Democratic nomination for real because he
can`t compete for black voters. It is taken as a given in the Beltway
press corps that Bernie Sanders could never compete as a Democrat in the
South.

Well, Bernie Sanders` juggernaut campaign is not conceding either of
those points that the pundits keep making and Bernie Sanders started to
test those points in earnest today and tomorrow. So watch that, watch
Bernie in the South.

The other thing to watch on this side is the news we just got from
the White House late tonight about Vice President Biden`s week next week.
You know, the Republican debate is Wednesday night.

Tonight, after 7:00 p.m. Eastern, this late-night announcement from
the White House is the morning after that Republican debate next week, Vice
President Biden is hitting the trail. He`s going to Michigan to deliver
remarks on the economy and then later that same day another big public
event in Columbus, Ohio.

Maybe Vice President Biden is not running for president. But he`s
not saying he will not run for president. And the day after the Republican
debate, we now know he is going to be doing a swing state tour, that, hey,
maybe he would do because he is vice president.

But anybody who`s trying to tell what is going on the Democratic side
right now – honestly, the forecast is cloudy, very cloudy, which is kind
of exciting.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MADDOW: It`s Friday. So still to come tonight, we`ve got the Friday
night news dump.

And actually I should tell you, for the first time tonight we have
the Friday night news dump and then more show. Usually it is Friday night
news dump and then prison. Tonight, we`re scrambling that. So, anyway,
stick around for that.

But we`ve also got next, an update on my nomination for the single
most radical thing that Republicans have tried to pull off in any red state
in the country all this year. It may be the most radical thing that anyone
has tried in a state all of this decade. They are really trying to do it.
I`ve never seen anything like it. And that story is next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MADDOW: Kansas Governor Sam Brownback is best known nationally for
blowing up the finances of the state of Kansas in what he called a real
live experiment in conservative economics. So far, the results of that Sam
Brownback economic experiment include Kansas having its credit rating
downgraded multiple times and some school districts having to shut down
early this year because they ran out of money before the end of the school
year.

Governor Sam Brownback came in as a proud radical conservative ready
to experiment. Lucky for you, Kansas.

But in June, here on the show we reported on what appeared to be not
just the single most radical thing that Sam Brownback had tried yet, as far
as I can tell, this is the single most radical thing tried as policy in any
state in the country by anyone for years. Because what Sam Brownback did
in June is that he signed a law which told judges in the Kansas state court
system how he Sam Brownback wanted them to rule on a particular case.

And unless the courts ruled the way he told them to rule, Sam
Brownback said he would abolish the whole court system. He would
completely defund the Kansas judiciary unless they ruled the way he wanted
to on this case. Enjoy your judicial independence.

Well, in that case, a Kansas judge has now issued his ruling and
surprise, surprise, he did not rule the way Sam Brownback instructed him to
rule.

And so, now, there is a crisis in Kansas. I mean, as soon as this
judge made the ruling an he ruled contrary to how Sam Brownback told him to
rule, this Kansas law says the court system has to be shut down. The whole
court system loses all of its funding as a consequence of the judge not
doing what he was told.

The state`s attorney general filed an emergency motion and got the
judge to stay his ruling because they`re going to appeal the judge`s ruling
to the Supreme Court, but that`s a question because if the entire judiciary
gets shut down, there`s not going to be a Kansas Supreme Court to appeal
to. They are getting rid of it.

Even the lawyer who won the case agreed to put his victory on hold
because as he said, quote, “An independent branch of government would have
ceased to exist.”

And if the Kansas Supreme Court does keep funding long enough to hear
the appeal of this case, there is also the thorny legal question of whether
or not they are allowed to decide a matter where their existence is at
stake. Kind of hard to be impartial in those circumstances.

But, hey, according to Sam Brownback, everything is fine. Nothing to
see here.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REPORTER: We going to have a court system much longer?

GOV. SAM BROWNBACK (R), KANSAS: Oh, absolutely.

Yes, we`re going to have a court system. We have a court system.
And that will continue to move forward.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: Unless it – we don`t know how Governor Brownback intends
for Kansas to have a court system since he signed a law that takes away all
of its money because the judges ruled in this one case the way they told
him not to. I mean, maybe the judges will have a bake sale to keep the
courts open. Maybe they can sell raffle tickets.

Under the law, Sam Brownback signed off, they will have to figure out
something. This has come to pass. Kansas under Sam Brownback has now
officially won the title of the most radical state government in the
country for this year.

I don`t know what further proof you need than the fact they are
really right now in the process of outlawing their own court system. Now
we know. Wow.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRICIA MCKINNEY, TRMS SENIOR PLANNING PRODUCER: Hello!

MADDOW: Hello.

MCKINNEY: It`s that time! It`s time for the Friday night news dump
selection.

MADDOW: OK.

MCKINNEY: We`re going to start with a blast from the past. Do you
remember this?

MADDOW: What did we use it for? It`s a flamingo head.

MCKINNEY: Yes, and I have two other animals. We did this thing
about the Washington zoo during the earthquake a few years ago. And the
animals – there was a very, very detailed description of how the animals
behaved but there was no video. So, the TRMS players is putting Bill Wolff
as a flamingo reenacted what they did.

MADDOW: OK.

MCKINNEY: You remember how a couple of weeks ago I came in wearing a
clown jacket.

MADDOW: Oh, yes.

MCKINNEY: I found the rest of the clown suit. It is all here.

MADDOW: Minus the jacket.

MCKINNEY: No, I put the jacket in there. I didn`t keep it. So it
has a horn, pants, rainbow wig, bow tie.

MADDOW: So, it`s a well used, recently worn, recently partially worn
clown suit.

I think that is too creepy.

MCKINNEY: OK.

(LAUGHTER)

MADDOW: This is freaking awesome.

MCKINNEY: Yes.

MADDOW: It`s a set. It`s a set. >

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: I`m waiting.

Woohoo! Friday night news dump time. Producer Wendy McNeal, welcome
to the program.

WENDY MCNEAL, TRMS PRODUCER: Thank you.

MADDOW: Making your debut as the person that shows off the things.

MCNEAL: Yes, I`m the rookie on the block.

MADDOW: It`s very exciting to have you here.

Wendy, tell us who our first player is.

MCNEAL: Well, Rachel, tonight, we have Lynda Rouner, from Houston,
Texas, baby. She`s a nurse, a mom of a 6 -year-old and, by the way, her 6-
year-old is a huge fan of the show. Huge fan. And she loves Dr. Who.

Rachel, meet Lynda.

MADDOW: Lynda, it`s very nice to meet you. Thank you for being
here.

LYNDA ROUNER, HOUSTON, TEXAS: Thank you for having me.

MADDOW: I was told when we got you to be our contestant that you
watch the show really, really, really late at night.

ROUNER: I do. I am a night nurse. I take my lunch break about 3:00
in the morning. That`s when the replay is on. And I time it that way so I
can watch you.

MADDOW: I am an insomniac. Sometimes I`m also watching the rerun of
the show at 3:00 a.m. for no good reason. You are doing it for a very good
reason. I`m doing it because my clock is wrong.

It is great to have you here. And this is going to be fun. You
probably nope how it works. Three multiple choice questions if you get at
least two right, you will win this piece of junk.

Wendy, please show everybody.

MCNEAL: This piece of junk right here, THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW
cocktail shaker. But for this purposes, I`d say more of a shot shaker.

MADDOW: Yes, exactly. It`s very tiny. Can do no harm.

If you get them all right, Lynda, we will have another prize for you
which you may or may not want, but this is it.

MCNEAL: Yes, I mean, I wouldn`t say these are junk but we are close
to Halloween they could be used as costumes. The story behind it is back
in 2011, an earthquake hit Washington, D.C. and there was a detailed news
report about how the animals at the local zoo were reacting and there
wasn`t video of it. So, THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW players had a little bit of
fun of reenacting how they thought the animals were feeling.

MADDOW: Yes. That was how we documented the flamingo and gorilla
response to the quake.

So, those could be yours.

We`ll bring in the disembodied voice of Steve Benen from Maddow Blog,
the man who determines whether or not you got the right answer.

Hello, Steve.

STEVE BENEN, MADDOW BLOG (via telephone): Good evening to both of
you.

MADDOW: Good evening.

ROUNER: Hello.

MADDOW: All right. First question, Lynda, are you ready?

ROUNER: OK.

MADDOW: This is from Tuesday`s show.

Tuesday`s show, we reported the CEO of one of the largest airlines in
the world had suddenly resigned in the wake of a federal investigation into
a top appointee and political ally of presidential candidate Chris
Christie. It`s been reported that one subject of the investigation is
whether the airline basically bribed this Christie guy by putting in place
a money losing non-stop flight between New Jersey and this man`s vacation
home.

Which major airline just lost its CEO over this potential Chris
Christie scandal? Was it (A), Delta Airlines, (B), United Airlines, (C),
American Eagle Airlines, or (D), American Illegal Airlines?

ROUNER: I believe that was (B), United Airlines.

MADDOW: Steve, did she get that right?

BENEN: Let`s check Tuesday`s show.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: United Airlines allegedly created a new route, a non-stop
flight route between Newark Airport and Columbia, South Carolina,
specifically at the request of David Samson, specifically to make his trips
to his vacation home easier for him and his wife.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BENEN: Right. The correct answer is United Airlines. And Lynda is
one for one.

MADDOW: Well done, Lynda. Well done.

ROUNER: Yay!

MADDOW: Also, that sound clip giving away I don`t know if it is
route or route. Discussion but we will leave it at that.

Second question from Wednesday`s show. On Wednesday show, we
reported one of the presidential contenders is not doing great this year,
picked up a patron saint recently in the form of a popular late-night talk
show host. The talk show host has been running a campaign on his show to
try to get this one candidate up above his zero percent in the polls to
maybe 1 percent. Unfortunately, for this candidate, the campaign doesn`t
seem to be working. He is still mostly polling at zero.

But which talk show host and which candidate are we talking about?
Is it (A), Conan O`Brien and Lincoln Chafee, (B), Stephen Colbert and Rick
Santorum, (C), Jimmy Kimmel and Rick Perry, or (D), Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy
Jindal?

ROUNER: I believe it`s A.

MADDOW: Conan O`Brien and Lincoln Chafee.

Steve, is that correct?

BENEN: Let`s check Wednesday`s show.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: One of the candidates who just cannot get in gear at all has
picked up an unlikely patron saint in the form of a late night comedian
called Conan O`Brien.

CONAN O`BRIEN, COMEDIAN: I`m just taking just a short amount of time
here and making it my mission tonight to help Lincoln Chafee get from zero
percent all the way to 1 percent.

(APPLAUSE)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BENEN: Poor Linc Chafee.

Anyway, the correct answer is A and Lynda is right again.

MADDOW: Well done, well done.

All right. Last question – this is for all of the fake zoo animals,
Lynda.

As host of the first two Republican presidential debates, FOX News
and CNN said they only wanted to let ten candidates onto the main stage.
But when CNN made a late change to their inclusion rules which moved Carly
Fiorina into tenth place in their rankings, they also decided they would
let the 11th place candidate in to the main debate as well. There`s going
to be 11 people on stage instead of ten.

So, last night, we reported the name of the candidate who`s led in to
the CNN main debate even though he is in 11th place in their own rankings.

Who is it? Is it (A), Rand Paul, (B), Marco Rubio, (C), Chris
Christie, or (D), Deez Nuts?

(LAUGHTER)

ROUNER: Well, I don`t think it`s D, although that would be
hilarious. I believe it`s C, Chris Christie.

MADDOW: Chris Christie.

Steve, do you have the answer for us?

BENEN: Let`s check last night`s show.

MADDOW: OK.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: By rights, that same rule change that let Carly Fiorina into
the debate should have pushed Chris Christie out of the debate since now,
under their new rules, he is no longer a top ten candidate. He`s number
11.

But seeing that as the eventual outcome of this new rule change they
made, CNN just decided they would fudge it a little more and let Chris
Christie in the real debate, too.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

BENEN: Yes, the correct answer is Chris Christie and Lynda is right
once more.

ROUNER: Yes.

MADDOW: Wendy, please give Lynda the excellent news.

MCNEAL: Yes, Lynda, you have won the fabulous shot shaker and the
paper animals.

ROUNER: Hooray.

MADDOW: Hopefully those will be handy for you at a Halloween. Will
you please give your 6-year-old our kindest regards from here at THE RACHEL
MADDOW SHOW?

ROUNER: I sure will. Her name is Katie and she loves you.

MADDOW: Katie, we have an internship ready for you in approximately
12 years.

(LAUGHTER)

MADDOW: Thank you, Lynda. It`s really great to meet you.

ROUNER: Thank you. It`s great to meet you.

MADDOW: Thank you.

And if you want to play the most awesome game in basic cable news,
all you have to do is email, Rachel@msnbc.com. Just tell us who are, where
you`re from, why you want to play. We would love to send our office junk
to you.

Now, normally, I at this point of the show, I would send you to
prison now, but look at your clock, it`s not the right time. That`s
because there is actually more show to come tonight, including an
incredible personal story from one of NBC News`s toughest and most
unflappable reporters. It happened today. We had a camera there. It was
amazing and that`s next.

Please stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MADDOW: So you know who Jim Miklaszewski is. Mostly people call him
Mik. He`s the NBC Pentagon correspondent. He`s been a visible, steady,
rock solid part of the NBC News gathering team for three decades. One of
the most recognizable people on TV.

In 2001, when the 9/11 attacks happened, Jim Miklaszewski was live on
the air from the Pentagon where he had his office. And where he was when
the Pentagon was hit by that plane that day.

Well, today in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at the opening of part of
the Flight 93 memorial there, Jim Miklaszewski was part of that program
today. At that event, he gave an account I had never heard him give before
of his own reporting experience that day, what he saw and what he went
through personally. And it was – honestly, it was stunning.

Just take a minute. This is not a long piece of tape, but just hear
this, particularly today, and particularly was of who he is and how solid
he is and what you know of him already. This is just something worth
seeing today.

Trust me. Watch.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JIM MIKLASZEWSKI, NBC NEWS CHIEF PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: As massive
and solid as that total concrete structure Pentagon is, the entire building
shook, windows rattled. My immediate thought was we are under attack. I
jumped up from the chair, looked out the window to see people running from
the building.

After a couple of hours, I walked out the mall entrance, closest to
the crash site and in to what I could only describe on the air as a war
zone.

There was a gaping hole in the side of the building, a ferocious fire
fed by thousands of gallons of jet fuel. Medics attending to wounded,
medevac helicopters. While overhead, two Air Force F-16 fighter jets were
crisscrossing the sky at a very low level.

An Air Force colonel stand next to me, looking up and saying to no
one in particular, “My God, we`re flying CAPs,” combat air patrols over the
nation`s capitol.

At first, we received only sketchy numbers of casualties, no firm
counts. The courtyard in the middle of the Pentagon with its majestic elm
trees has always been a refuge from the daily grind of the Pentagon.

On 9/11– on 9/11, it became a makeshift morgue, 120 people at work
in the Pentagon were killed.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MADDOW: NBC News chief Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszewski is as
solid as they come. One of these reporters who himself sometimes seems
like he`s built of concrete and steel. That was him speaking today in
Shanksville, Pennsylvania, on the 14th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

So, what`s going to happen right now on MSNBC is a presentation.
It`s called “9/11 As It Happened.” And that “As It Happened” is important,
because this is not a documentary. This is not a typical TV show.

What we are about to show is the events of that day presented as it
unfolded. This was NBC`s live coverage that morning 14 years ago as it
happened. And I`ll tell you, honestly, it is presented with only limited
editing. But that starts right now. Good night.

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY
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