The Rachel Maddow Show, Transcript 07/09/15

Todd Rutherford, Megan Rapinoe, Ali Krieger

                RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST:  Good morning, Chris.  Thanks, my friend.


                CHRIS HAYES, “ALL IN” HOST:  You bet.


                MADDOW:  And thanks to you at home for joining us tonight.  We`ve got

a big, big show for you. 


                We found out late this afternoon that the World Cup trophy is coming

to the show tonight.  Literally, it is here with the building, along with

people who just won it.  Seriously, they are here.  They brought the actual

gold thing with them. 


                I can`t wait.  I can`t believe it and I can`t wait.  That`s ahead. 


                There`s also big news tonight on the presidential race where the FOX

News Channel appears to have changed its rules for the Republican

presidential debate.  The rules that FOX News set for that debate have

become kind of the most important dynamic in the whole Republican

presidential nominating process.  Those rules are going to basically knock

out from contention at least seven of the major candidates running for

president on the Republican side. 


                But today, FOX News changed those rules, in a really specific and hard

to understand way tonight.  That`s ahead tonight.


                Plus, a pope related mystery has been solved. 


                There`s a lot going on in today`s news.  And on a day when there is a

lot is going on in the news, that sometimes makes our news meeting here at

the show, where we lay out the show for the night, it sometimes makes our

news meetings more difficult than on your typical day. 


                And today, our news meeting, the whole thing in the middle of this

difficult decision-making process about what to cover, and how to cover,

and who to book, and how to do the research, how to report them – having

this big intense meeting today, the whole thing had to come to a halt

because Congress went nuts. 


                One of our producers, Nazanin Rafsanjani, was monitoring the feed from

Congress during the meeting.  She made us stop the meeting to watch what

had just happened.  Because she said she had never seen anything like that

before happen in Congress.  Specifically, she said she had never heard

anything like that before in Congress. 


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                NAZANIN RAFSANJANI, TRMS SENIOR PRODUCER:  There has been yelling





                RAFSANJANI:  That`s the biggest no I`ve ever heard.


                MADDOW:  That`s America? 


                RAFSANJANI:  So, this is I think McCarthy – 


                MADDOW:  The ayes have it after that. 




                The ayes have it. 


                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  The ayes have it.  Are you kidding me?  That happened today

in Congress, in our Congress.  It seemed like it sounded like what happened

in our parliament in Congress where they actually physically fight in the

parliamentary chamber. 


                I mean, today in our Congress, it sounded like that for a minute, even

though no punches were thrown.  But the ending of this outburst in our

Congress today, it was just ridiculous. 


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                CHAIRMAN:  All those in favor say aye.


                HOUSE:  Aye!


                CHAIRMAN:  All those opposed, no. 


                HOUSE:  No!


                CHAIRMAN:  Opinion of the chair, the ayes have it.  The ayes have it. 


                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  The ayes have it? 


                Seriously, Congress went nuts today.  And, you know, Congress often

goes nuts.


       led with the news we are probably getting another

government shutdown fairly soon, or at least a showdown that might be a

shutdown, that`s almost entirely because John Boehner`s own Republicans

can`t agree among themselves about how to settle the issue of government



                Some House Republicans are apparently refusing to pay dues to part of

the Republican party that campaigns for House Republicans.  There`s all

sorts of revolts and defiance within Republican Party in the House, and

that makes for all sorts of chaos when the House is in session, including

today`s loud chaos that sounded like a fistfight. 


                Today`s chaos consisted of the Republicans yanking off the floor one

of their own basic fund-the-government bills.  The reason they had to yank

it off the floor is because of a revolt by members over their own bill. 


                But the reason it all happened, the reason it ended in this much

screaming and outrage from Congress today is because the reason the

Republicans have to yank that bill, the thing that made it fall apart was

the Confederate flag.  This was not in the South.  This was not in South

Carolina or some other state legislature somewhere.  This was in the U.S.



                Here is what happened: Tuesday, two days ago, an amendment passed

quietly on a voice vote.  It was a Democratic amendment but John Boehner

let it go through.  And it was an amendment that would have established

that the National Park Service shouldn`t fly Confederate flags on any

properties maintained by the National Park Service except specifically for

Confederate memorials on Confederate memorial days. 


                This is not something that would ban the Confederate flag.  It said

that the U.S. government shouldn`t fly Confederate flag on government

property given what the Confederate flag stands for.  So, that passed on

Tuesday very quietly. 


                On Wednesday, John Boehner had a freak out on his hands from his own

Republicans.  Nobody wanted to say who it was specifically but some

Republican members of the House from the South apparently decided they were

outraged by this plan and they demanded that it be undone.


                And so, John Boehner tried to undo it.  Yesterday, he put up another

amendment that would restore Confederate flags to national parks. 


                Nice.  And that went over about as well as you might expect. 


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                REP. HAKEEM JEFFRIES (D), NEW YORK:  I`m perplexed, what exactly is

the tradition of the Confederate battle flag that we`re supporting?  Is it

slavery?  Rape?  Kidnap?  Treason?  Genocide?  Or all of the above? 


                REP. JAMES CLYBURN (D), SOUTH CAROLINA:  The Confederacy had three

flags.  This was never one of them.  This flag is the flag, Confederate

battle flag of the army of Northern Virginia, Robert E. Lee`s army. 


                And when Robert E. Lee surrendered at Appomattox, he asked all of his

followers to furl this flag, store it away, he said, put it in your attics. 


                He refused to be buried in his Confederate uniform.  His family

refused to allow anyone dressed in the Confederate uniform to attend his

funeral.  Why?  Because Robert E. Lee said he considered this emblem to be

a symbol of treason.


                Yet, Calvert puts up an amendment that we`re going to vote on this

afternoon to ask us to allow this flag to be sold and displayed in our

national parks. 


                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  The John Boehner plan to sell and display the Confederate

flag in national parks, it did not go over well.  And so, John Boehner had

to pull that today.  He pulled the bring back the Confederate flags to

national parks thing and he actually pulled the whole bill, part of that

whole bill that funds the whole part of the government, whole Interior

Department, he had to pull it over the Confederate flag issue.  And now,

nobody knows what`s going to happen. 


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE:  I want members on

both sides of the aisles to have a conversation on what has become a thorny



                REPORTER:   Can you tell us what does that conversation entail?  What

is this – some sort of special committee, commission?  Is this the House

and Senate?  What –


                BOEHNER:  I have some ideas.  When I firm them up in my head, I`ll let

you know. 


                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  When they get firm in his head, he`ll let us know. 


                But after all this happened, the Democrats were so freaking mortified

that the Republicans in Congress wanted to spend the day putting up

Confederate flags in national parks while South Carolina was voting to take

down their Confederate flag at their state capital, the Democrats after

this went down and John Boehner had to put this out, take it back, put it

out, take it back, after this all happened, the Democrats just decided they

were mortified by this whole thing and they were going to press the point. 


                The one black member of the congressional delegation from the great

state of Mississippi is Bennie Thompson.  You see here – Bennie Thompson

does not fly his state flag outside his state office in the capital.  And

that`s because his state flag looks like this.  Mississippi is the last

state in the country that has the Confederate battle flag emblem as part of

its state flag.  Bennie Thompson doesn`t fly that flag, even though he`s a

Mississippi congressman. 


                And as Mississippi debates changing their flag this year in the wake

of the Charleston massacre, Congressman Bennie Thompson has proposed that

he doesn`t think the U.S. capital should fly that Mississippi flag either,

not as long as it has that battle emblem on it.


                Democrats were so mad today about House Republicans trying to put back

up Confederate flags in national parks that Nancy Pelosi stood up and put

Bennie Thompson`s proposal about the Mississippi flag on the floor of the

House.  She brought it up, didn`t tell anyone it was coming, she said let`s

vote on this now. 


                Oh, you guys like the Confederate flag?  Really?  Well, let`s do this

as a privilege resolution.  Let`s vote on it now. 


                It goes right to the House.  Let`s vote on it.  Let`s see how many

Republicans vote to keep this Confederate flag flying. 


                John Boehner and other Republican House leadership freaked out.  The

last thing they want is all the Republicans in the House going on record

with their vote in favor of or against the Confederate flag.  That`s the

last thing they want in the world. 


                So, Republican House leadership freaked out and said, no, no, let`s

get rid of this thing.  Don`t vote on what Nancy Pelosi has just put

forward there.  Let`s not vote on this.  Let`s send it to committee so it

can die in committee instead and we`ll never have to vote on it, and that

is when this happened. 


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                CHAIRMAN:  All those in favor say aye.


                HOUSE:  Aye!


                CHAIRMAN:  All those opposed, no. 


                HOUSE:  No!


                CHAIRMAN:  Opinion of the chair, the ayes have it.  The ayes have it. 


                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  His voice is breaking like Peter Brady in that episode.  When

it is time on – ayes have it. 


                The ayes have it.  Send the Confederate flag bill away so we never

have to vote on it.  Danger, Will Robinson, danger. 


                So, it`s chaos in the Congress today, over the Confederate flag and

how inconvenient it is for everyone involved that it may well be a lot of

house Republicans quite like that flag and they don`t want anyone taking it

down.  And so, you better not ask them directly because they might tell you

the truth. 


                And that day of chaos in Washington, D.C. happened simultaneously with

the state of South Carolina finishing up one of the more remarkable and

searing public conversations on this issue that we have seen in a very long

time – Democrats and Republicans. 


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                STATE REP. NEAL COLLINS (R), SOUTH CAROLINA:  I do support removing

this Confederate battle flag as much as I respect it.  It`s time for our

state to use this opportunity to heal.  This might be two terms in one for

me, my first and last.  This is too important of an issue not to take a



                So, should I have an opponent next year, I want them to be able to

have this clip, not use a no vote against me, but to use this clip one way

or the other that the flag should come down. 


                STATE REP. JOE NEAL (D), SOUTH CAROLINA:  My family was taken here to

South Carolina.  There were four brothers.  That much we know.  They were

purchased by a slave owner by the name of Neal. 


                We know that those four brothers never saw one another again.  We know

that the children born on the plantations in Sumter and Richland and

Kershaw County, they were never able to have their children, because their

children were sold away from them. 


                I want you to understand that these are the kind of stories that exist

in our community.  They are stories of pain and suffering that I ask you to

consider, as you ask me to consider grace on this issue. 


                When that flag stands out front, the entire African-American community

feels a pain.  And that pain is intensified when things happen like

Charleston, when groups like the Ku Klux Klan and Conservative Citizens

Council and other groups use that flag as a banner and use it as an excuse

to hate and to kill and to burn and to bomb.


                We talk about grace.  Let`s give grace where grace needs to be.  Not

just one way but for all of us.  I know I need grace.  I think you do, too. 


                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  The debate has been going on like this all week in South

Carolina.  This very raw, very intense, at times very personal debate went

on past midnight last night.  A lot of Republicans spoke in favor of taking

the flag down talked candidly about the fact this might cost them their

jobs, they thought they might lose their seats over this and that`s OK with



                But the strategy of the Republican Confederate flag defenders, people

who want to keep the flag up, their strategy was to pile amendments on the

bill, to slow down, ultimately try to stop it.  It was not clear until

very, very late whether or not that strategy would work. 


                But the dam mostly broke on that strategy late last night when one

Republican member of the House basically kicked through that dam herself

with absolutely raw emotion.  We played this last night after it happened. 

It got a lot of attention today. 


                But it is one of the remarkable things you`ll see in the legislature

ever.  I mean, how she kept speaking coherently through this I do not know. 


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                STATE REP. JENNY HORNE (R), SOUTH CAROLINA:  I attended the funeral of

Senator Clementa Pinckney, and the people of Charleston deserve immediate

and swift removal of that flag from these grounds.  We can save for another

day where this flag needs to go, where – which flag needs to fly or where

it needs to fly or what museum it needs to be in.  But the immediate issue

as far as I`m concerned as a member of the Charleston delegation, and

speaking on behalf of the people in Charleston, this flag offends my friend

Mia McLeod, my friend John King, my friend Reverend Neal.


                I cannot believe that we do not have the heart in this body to do

something meaningful such as take a symbol of hate off these grounds on

Friday.  And if any of you vote to amend, you are ensuring this flag will

fly beyond Friday.  And for the widow of Senator Pinckney and his two young

daughters, that would be adding insult to injury.  And I will not be a part

of it.


                We need to follow the example of the Senate, remove this flag and do

it today, because this issue is not getting any better with age.  Thank





                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  And the debate did go on after that, but the amendments fell

away, and after midnight, the last block came down, last roadblock came

down Republican named Rick Quinn said he, too, would finally let go. 


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                STATE REP. RICK QUINN (R), SOUTH CAROLINA:  I don`t back down much.  I

think most of you who know me a lot know that. 


                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  But he did and they had a moment of silence and they had the

vote and the Confederate flag will come down in South Carolina.  And they

could not fit all the people they wanted to fit into the room today with

Governor Nikki Haley for the signing statement on that bill to take down

the Confederate flag. 


                But she signed it, it`s done.  And 10:00 a.m. tomorrow, officers of

the South Carolina Highway Patrol will solemnly process out of the capital. 

They will detach that flag from that pole, they will bring it down, they

will furl the flag and it will go into the museum that they have for

Confederate relics and military history on the South Carolina state



                They put that flag up at the state capital in South Carolina in 1961. 

It hasn`t been flying since the civil war.  They put it up in 1961.  They

put it up months after a group of activists were jailed for their sit-in to

try to integrate an all white lunch counter in Rock Hill, South Carolina.


                That flag put up in 1961.  It was kept up thereafter as a rejection

for civil rights for black people in South Carolina in the 20th century. 

Now, more than 50 years later, after the massacre in the Charleston church

22 days ago, a different nine, nine martyrs were thanked and credited with

pushing South Carolina through this change, too. 


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                GOV. NIKKI HALEY (R), SOUTH CAROLINA:  With that, I`m proud to say the

bill has been signed.  I do want to also acknowledge these nine pens are

going to each of the nine families of the Emanuel Nine. 




                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  Flag comes down at 10:00 a.m. tomorrow. 


                We`ll be right back. 


                (COMMERCIAL BREAK)


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                HALEY:  Now, this is about our children.  When they go back and look

in the history books, while we`re still grieving, and the grieving is going

to last for a long time, when the emotions start to fade, the history of

the actions that took place by everyone in South Carolina to get us to this

moment is one that we can all be proud of. 


                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  The emotions will fade but history will stand.  South

Carolina Governor Nikki Haley speaking in her office the signing ceremony

for the bill that will take down the flag from the state capitol grounds in

her state.  That flag will come down at 10:00 a.m. Eastern Time tomorrow.


                Joining us now is Todd Rutherford.  He`s the top Democrat in the South

Carolina House, the minority leader.


                Representative Rutherford, congratulations.  I know you`ve been

working this day for a very long time. 


                STATE REP. TODD RUTHERFORD (D), SOUTH CAROLINA:  Thank you so much,

Rachel.  What a day, what an hour.  At 10:00 tomorrow, it`s all over and I

can`t believe it`s here. 


                MADDOW:  Can I just ask you how it feels to have finally happened?  I

know – I`m interested in your analysis of how it happened and what happens

next and what it means.  But how does it – how does it feel?  I mea, this

fight has been going on for decades in your state. 


                RUTHERFORD:  It feels unbelievable.  One of the things we`re standing

there watching Representative Jenny Horne, a hero in my book, and Neal

Collins, a freshman who got up there and made it clear, I don`t want you to

think that I shied away from this, I`m going to vote to take this flag

down.  Representative Doug Brannon who said from the beginning he was going

to do that.  Gary Clary, these Republicans and Democrats that sat on their

hands and sacrificed us hearing their voices tonight because they didn`t

want to ruin the flag coming down just because they wanted to have their



                There`s so many heroes out there tonight.  I`m so proud to be a part

of this history.  But not only that, to sit here in South Carolina and know

that our future is so much brighter than our past.  That`s what we said

last night.  That`s what we`ll say tomorrow morning at 10:00. 


                MADDOW:  Did – do you feel like what you and your colleagues just

went through, colleagues Democrat and Republican, do you feel like you

learned anything in this process in South Carolina that might speak to

other Southern states who are grappling with this same kind of issue in the

days ahead.  Obviously, Mississippi is thinking about its own flag, there

are other states that have similar issues. 


                Do you feel like in South Carolina that you`ve learned something here

other people should take heed of as they embark on these kinds of debates? 


                RUTHERFORD:  You know, it was interesting last night to watch

Republicans like Mike Pitts talk about the flag and how it represented

history and how it represented heritage, and they went on for hours.  We

counted almost until about 8:00 the first Republican that talked about the

Charleston Nine was Representative Jenny Horne.  Prior to that not a single

Republican so worried about the history and heritage of that flag said

anything about the nine that had been massacred including our colleague. 


                What we learned is that we still have a long way to go.  What we

learned is they continue to address their own Republican colleagues begging

them to please see it their way and vote to keep the flag up.  They never

bothered to look our direction and say – guys, please tell me this flag

does not offend you.  Please tell me there`s another way to do it. 


                It didn`t happen.  That`s why the flag has to go.  Another relic in

Mississippi and other Southern states, need to go as well. 


                MADDOW:  South Carolina House Minority Leader Todd Rutherford, I want

to say, just one last very important piece of business – I understand that

it is your mother`s birthday tonight on this day of all days, and this ate

into your time for your mother`s birthday dinner for which I am both very

appreciative and sorry.  Please give her best birthday greetings from me

and everybody here. 


                RUTHERFORD:  I have.  Thank you so much, Rachel. 


                MADDOW:  All right.  There, when you mess with somebody, you get

between somebody and their mom on their mom`s birthday, I know it`s a big

news day but seriously like I owe him.


                All right.  We`ve got lots more. 


                The World Cup is here, for example, the actual World Cup is here, as

well as some of the heroes who earned that World Cup. 


                We`ve got lots ahead tonight.  Please stay with us. 


                (COMMERCIAL BREAK)


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                SUBTITLE:  Also today at the TRMS production meeting.


                JULIA NUTTER, TRMS PRODUCER:  So I just got an email from John McCain,

subject titled “Brad Pitt”.




                MADDOW:  Really?


                NUTTER:  He`s emailing on behalf of Lindsey Graham saying Lindsey

Graham is right.




                SUBTITLE: More on what Senator McCain thinks about Brad Pitt – coming



                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                (COMMERCIAL BREAK)


                MADDOW:  So, today a Clinton and a Bush appeared on stage together at

an event.  It happened.  It happened sometimes.  It happened tonight in

Dallas, Texas, and this is how it went. 


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                WILLIAM J. CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT:  If you get this job, I can tell

you, the next day – it doesn`t matter what was wrong with your opponent in

the election, the next day, you`re on your own.  You walk in there and you

don`t have somebody to sit behind the Oval Office desk, whichever desk you

pick.  You`ve got to show up for work and make decisions. 


                So, that`s all I hope.  I hope we clarify for the American people that

this is a big bunch of choices.  They are not simple but we are – we can

do it. 


                GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT:  I know Jeb, and I`m confident

Secretary Hillary will, you know, elevate the discourse.  I can`t attest to

their surrogates.  I can attest to this surrogate.  I`m not going to be a

surrogate.  But it`s – 




                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  It`s a nice thing former presidents of two different parties,

two very different presidents, can appear together in a friendly way for

charitable causes.  They can be nice to each other, nice. 


                It`s also weird in this particular instance, because what those two

former presidents have to talk about when they get together now, as former

president is how, well, his brother is going to be running to be the next

president against his wife.  As if the presidency is a china pattern you

inherit from your relatives or something. 


                So, that`s one thing that`s awkward about seeing George W. Bush and

Bill Clinton make a joint appearance tonight in Texas. 


                The other thing that is specifically awkward about this event, though,

is actually only awkward for one of those two presidents, because it was

reported first by ABC News last night that former President George W. Bush,

as part of collecting fees for doing speeches career now, he took a

$100,000 payment to speak at a charity event benefiting wounded veterans in



                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                EDDIE WRIGHT, VETERAN:  For him to be paid to raise money for veterans

that were wounded in combat under his orders, I don`t think that`s right. 


                He sent me to war.  I was doing what you told me to do gladly for you

and our country and I have no regrets.  But it`s kind of a slap in the



                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  It`s from ABC`s report on George W. Bush making 100 grand off

this wounded veterans charity. 


                Two things about this, the spokesman for former President George W.

Bush did confirm to ABC that President Bush really did take $100,000 from

this veterans group.  But so far, former President Bush himself and his

spokesman, anybody connected to him, nobody is commenting on this rather

pressing questions of whether taking that payment was an ethical thing to

do, or whether the president might consider returning that money to the

wounded veterans from whom he took it.


                So, that`s where this stands for now.  He admits taking money for

veterans charity.  That`s confirmed.  He`s not commenting on whether that`s

the right thing to do. 


                One of the top line worries for Republicans and for Jeb Bush

supporters specifically, top line worries about prospects of Jeb Bush being

able to win the presidency is whether or not presidency of his brother

George W. Bush will be such an overhang, that it will just cast a shadow

that Jeb Bush can never get out of. 


                But there`s another aspect of this.  I mean, just as Republicans are

trying to make an issue now of the Clinton Foundation for Hillary Clinton`s

run for presidency, it seems like there might also be a question as to

whether or not the post-presidential behavior of George W. Bush is actually

going to be a problem or at least a distraction for Jeb Bush as well.  We

shall see.  In part, we shall see how angry veterans really are about this

and whether or not George W. Bush decides to return that money. 


                All that said, though, overall today was a pretty good day in Jeb

land.  He`s following his brother`s playbook in trying to raise so much

more money than everybody else in the race other people get intimidated out

of trying to take him on.  Today, Jeb Bush reported $100 million raised by

his PAC and over $10 million raised by his campaign. 


                When his brother in the year 2000 put in similarly outsized numbers in

the Republican primary that year, it had the effect then of basically

preventing other people from running or making other people quit the race,

they were so intimidated by George W. Bush`s money.  That doesn`t seem to

be happening with Jeb, even though he`s raising as much money.  It`s still

a giant field in the Republican side. 


                We know of 17 declared or soon to be declared candidates, which

continues to make the FOX News debate criteria, which plans to only allow

10 of the candidates to compete for the nomination compete in the debate,

it makes that FOX News debate criteria, cutoff for debates this weirdly

hugely important constraint on Republican primary process on the Republican

side this year. 


                Well, today, FOX News apparently changed their debate rules.  FOX News

today said that all the Republican presidential hopefuls who want to

qualify to be in their debate need to submit their personal financial

disclosure paperwork within 30 days of declaring this bid to run.  If you

request an extension, you will not be eligible to take part in the August 6



                Now, this was first reported by “The New York Times”.  “The New York

Times” intimated in its report that this new rule announced by FOX is an

effort by the Republican Party to try to keep Donald Trump off the debate

stage.  They think he`ll never turn in his financial disclosure forms, so

if you make that a prerequisite for getting if the debate, maybe that would

get him out. 


                And that, of course, would have dual effect of letting some another

substantive politician like John Kasich of Ohio or Rick Perry, or even Ted

Cruz, somebody else will be able to get on stage in his place if Donald

wasn`t there.  If there`s only going to be 10 slots on the stage, if he`s

out, somebody else will make it.  So, it will have that effect. 


                Also have the straightforward effect of not having Donald Trump on the

stage, which many Republicans will worry turn every debate he`s in between

something of a debate and side show and a fiasco for the Republican Party. 


                But if that was the intent – new rule by FOX about financial

disclosure forms, if that was an attempt to keep Donald Trump out of the

debates, Mr. Trump said today that new rule will not keep him out.  He will

have his financial disclosures in on time.


                So, that might have been a swing and a miss as Republican Party tries

to handle their Donald Trump problem. 


                The another swing and miss today, though, was what we reported

breaking news on the show last night when “The Washington Post” said the

head of the Republican Party Reince Priebus called Donald Trump to tell him

to tone down his anti-immigrant Mexicans are rapist comments.  “The

Washington Post” said this call between head of RNC and Donald Trump lasted

45 minutes.


                 ”The Post” said that Reince Priebus on that call repeatedly told

Donald Trump to tone it down.  So, that report happened last night. 


                This morning, voila, Donald Trump`s Twitter, the gift that keeps on

giving, “Totally false reporting on my call with Reince Priebus.  He called

me 10 minutes, said I hit a nerve, doing well, end.”


                So, Donald Trump`s take on that call is that Reince Priebus was

basically just calling him to say, “Good job, Donald, keep it up.” 


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (via telephone):  It was a

very nice call.  And it was really more of a congratulatory call.  He said,

you know, how well we`re doing.  You saw we went to number one in various



                And he talked about how well we`re doing and how he`s literally not

seen anything like this.  It was a very nice call.  It lasted for probably

10 minutes, maybe a couple min more than that.  And that was the end of the



                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  The Republican Party is putting out there they are reining in

Donald Trump.  Donald Trump called CNN and said, actually they called to

tell me how awesome I am. 


                After telling CNN that, he then told “The New York Times” that Reince

Priebus, quote, “knows better than to lecture me.  We`re not dealing with a

five-star army general here.”


                So, not only throwing in their faces, the Republican Party`s efforts

to rein him in, but he`s also kind of stomping on the Republican Party for

good measure. 


                The Republican Party does seem to be getting on their hind legs to

take care of the Donald Trump problem, the problem they created with FOX

News, a lot of Republican Party substantive candidates are not going to be

allowed to compete for the nomination, they`re not going to be allowed in

the debates. 


                But neither of those efforts seems to be working.  Despite those

efforts we`re still basically exactly where we were.  Where we were exactly

this time two nights ago was marveling over the fact that Lindsey Graham

was trying to bring up his poll numbers to get into the debates.  He was

trying to bring up those numbers sending out campaign solicitation with

subject line “Brad Pitt”.


                He mentioned Brad Pitt by name, once, twice, three times.  If he can`t

make national poll numbers on his own terms, maybe mentioning Brad Pitt can

help him get national poll numbers.


                Today, with those same constraints still threatening to keep Lindsey

Graham out of contention, his dear friend in the Senate, John McCain, sent

out his own e-mail solicitation on behalf of his friend Lindsey Graham. 

Subject line again, Brad Pitt. 


                The Brad Pitt strategy might yet work for Lindsey Graham.  There may

be a magical combination being someone with no national name recognition

who says the phrase “Brad Pitt” a lot, right?  That may be a magical

combination.  At some point in some national poll, there may be a critical

mass of people who thinks the guy on the left is Lindsey Graham. 


                Even if they don`t know much about his politics, they do love that

he`s married to that lovely Angelina Jolie.  And she would make an

excellent first lady. 


                (COMMERCIAL BREAK)


                MADDOW:  Tomorrow, I`m going to a parade.  I`m going to a parade

because I would like to see in person the World Cup trophy.  I`m very

excited for that. 


                I had already made that plan when I found out tonight the World Cup

trophy came to my office.  It`s here in the house.  I`m not kidding.  If

you hold on just a second, I will show you.


                (COMMERCIAL BREAK)


                MADDOW:  This was the color of “Sports Illustrated” February 7th,

1955.  Look at that.  Fifteen-year-old figure skater Carol Heiss. 


                Carol Heiss would go on to be four-time U.S. and five-time world

champion figure skater.  At the age of 20, she became an Olympic champion

when she won gold medal at 1960 Winter Olympics in Squaw Valley. 


                Carol Heiss, she`s a native of Queens, New York.  And when she won the

gold medal in the Olympics that year, upon her return home to New York, she

was welcomed in arguably one of the best ways America has to welcome anyone

or anything.  They threw her a ticker tape parade in New York City, 250,000

people braved the winter cold to catch a glimpse of Carol Heiss as she was

paraded down Broadway to a ceremony at city hall. 


                The mayor declared it Olympic Day, gave Carol Heiss the city`s

medallion, a proclamation scroll.  Carol Heiss, figure skater

extraordinaire, inspiration to our youth, admired daughter of New York. 


                Since 1886, New York City has thrown over 200 ticker tape parades for

heads of states, and dignitaries, for astronauts, for returning veterans of

war.  For three years now, local officials veterans groups have been

fighting to hold ticker tape to honor post-9/11 veterans.  Pentagon has

said no to that so far, but folks still trying to make that happen. 


                More often than not, though, when New York City throws a ticker tape

parade, it is to honor athletes, specifically athletes from New York. 

Since 1999, New York City has only held sports ticker tape parades for two

sports teams, the New York Yankees and New York Giants.  The last time the

city honored a national sports team was over 30 years ago to honor the

medalist from Summer Olympics of 1984. 


                But, tomorrow, New York City will buck that trend, because this past

weekend, the U.S. national soccer team won the World Cup in Vancouver. 

They beat Japan 5-2 in a spellbinding display.  That game drew a record 27

million viewers, the largest U.S. television audience ever for any soccer

game by men or women. 


                Two days after their huge World Cup win, the mayor of New York City,

Bill de Blasio, announced they would throw a ticker tape parade for the

team, the first time a women`s sports team of any kind has been honored

with one. 


                The parade is tomorrow, 11:00 a.m., in lower Manhattan, all of the

team`s 23 players are expected to be here.  The city has been scrambling to

get everything ready for the big day tomorrow.  The excitement level is a

little bit nuts. 


                This is Chirlane McCray, Mayor de Blasio`s wife, on Twitter.  Quote,

“The people have spoken and they want a ticker tape parade.”


                The Manhattan borough president puts it more simply, “Goal”.


                And on top of all the excitement about the World Cup champions

arriving in New York City tomorrow, on top of all that, if anybody wants to

go, it`s free.  Anybody can show up and watch as it happens, which is

exactly what I`m planning on doing.  There is even a post-parade

celebration they are going to do on the grounds of city hall. 


                That`s an enclosed area.  So, people did have to apply for a ticket. 

But that event is free, even though you need a ticket.  Ticket requests can

only be made during a two-hour window yesterday.  In that two-hour window,

the city fielded over 12,000 requests for tickets.  That`s six times the

number of tickets they can actually give away for the event and that was in

two hours. 


                So, people are psyched.  Imagine what it`s like to be at the heart of

that.  Imagine what it is to be the subject of that.  Imagine what it`s

like to be in the middle of all that many people being that psyched about

you and what you just did.  Let`s find out what that`s like.  That`s next.


                (COMMERCIAL BREAK)


                MADDOW:  You know it`s a good day when you walk in a room and you are

greeted like this. 


                (VIDEO CLIP PLAYS)


                MADDOW:  Typical date the office when you are world cup champs. 


                Joining us now are Megan Rapinoe and Ali Krieger, two stars of the

2015 FIFA Women`s World Cup championship team. 


                Congratulations.  It`s very nice to have you here.  I can barely





                ALI KRIEGER, WOMEN`S WORLD CUP CHAMPION:  :  Thank you. 


                MADDOW:  Has there been sleeping? 


                MEGAN RAPINOE, WOMEN`S WORLD CUP CHAMPION:  I took a little nap today. 

I`m shocked I`m awake. 


                MADDOW:  Are you so sleep deprived and joy saturated you are starting

to get crazy and mean? 


                KRIEGER:  No.  We`re just soaking it in. 


                MADDOW:  When you get the keys to the city, when New York city throws

you the ticker tape parade – obviously, since you guys won, I am sure it

has been a whirlwind.  I wonder if that feels like even sort of more

validation of what you`ve achieved, just because no women`s sports team has

ever had that happen before. 


                RAPINOE:  It is.  And it`s hard to get perspective when you`re in it. 

I mean, we know that we`ve accomplished amazing.  We won the World Cup,

that was the whole goal, but I think just a much bigger picture.  There`s

never been a women`s sports team that had a ticker tape parade in New York

city and for New York to pay attention like this is just amazing. 


                MADDOW:  New York is nuts it should be noted about this.  They have

two hours to give away 2,000 tickets.  They had 12,000 requests.  It is

going to be pushing. 


                KRIEGER:  Over 850 media requests going on.  So – they were lovin`

it.  It would be great.


                MADDOW:  How does it materially change things for you guys, for the

team and sport that, A, you won, B, the country is nuts about it, and C,

you got this huge TV rating.  I mean, obviously, money is part of the way

people understand the future of the sport.  How does it change things even? 


                KRIEGER:  I think that final game was the most watched game in U.S.

soccer history, both male and female. 


                I think that that goes to show how empowering this is and how popular

women`s football in the world is changing and I think that – and growing. 

And I think we want to keep it positive and, you know, just get more

viewers.  I think it`s just – it goes to show you that we deserve the

attention.  We deserve to have women`s football, you know, to be seen. 


                MADDOW:  Does it give you more leverage in terms of like pay equity,

like getting – playing on the turf you want to play on, and all the stuff

you have to deal with just as people having jobs doing this? 


                RAPINOE:  Yes, I think so.  I mean, when it comes down, we can say 25

million people watch the game, we are selling out the stadiums, we have a

victory tour.  We`re not playing in small stadiums for that, and we are

making money now.  We`re making money for sponsors, we`re making money for

our federation, we`re making money for FIFA and that pushes us in to that

conversation, and allows us to have a strong argument when we do want more

money.  We do deserve to have more money. 


                We`re not asking for the exact same pay as the men.  We understand the

men`s World Cup generates much more revenue than the women`s World Cup, but

we`re still generating and we still need to be part of the conversation and

take a bigger part. 


                MADDOW:  It has to be a living wage for people playing at the base

level of the professional leagues, right?  It`s got to be something that

you can make a living doing if you are going to have to compete.


                KRIEGER:  Right, and I think winning at the highest level and on the

biggest stage has given so much leverage right now, and a lot of advantage

to help grow the sport and help grow women`s football around the world.


                MADDOW:  Tell me about the victory tour.  Are you going to be

traveling around the country? 


                KRIEGER:  We have ten matches.  So, yes. 


                MADDOW:  What happens with the statue? 


                KRIEGER:  She`s coming with us. 


                RAPINOE:  Everywhere.  We just take her with us. 


                MADDOW:  Does she have a name? 


                KRIEGER:  She just has a glow. 


                MADDOW:  So, you guys just like take her in a taxi?  Like you just –  


                RAPINOE:  She has a box she gets carried in.  She`s so fancy. 


                MADDOW:  I would certainly hope so. 


                Well, I`m going to be there tomorrow at the ticker tape parade. 

Everybody I know is going to be there tomorrow at the parade.  The whole

country is so freaking psyched about what you did and I know it is a step

on the way.  So, thank you. 


                KRIEGER:  Thank you. 




                MADDOWE:  You guys are awesome.  I have nothing else to say.  Good-



                (COMMERCIAL BREAK)


                (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)


                UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  So get involved in your schools because if our

kids go down the tubes, we go with them. 


                (END VIDEO CLIP)


                MADDOW:  Thank you.  We love NBC`s the more you know PSA so much we

have ripped them off.  We have borrowed from them. 


                Instead of the more you know, for stories where we didn`t know how it

was going to turn out but we do now.  For us it`s you know more now. 


                Thanks, Nick.


                Tonight` edition involves El Papa, Pope Francis, who is currently in

the middle of a South American trip.  Yesterday, he met with Bolivia`s

president, Evo Morales.  He received an unexpectedly shaped crucifix made

out of a hammer and sickle. 


                You can see the pope`s polite reaction there.  Thank you, I guess. 


                The big story we have been following in the lead up to the Pope

Francis` trip to Bolivia was the question of whether or not he would treat

his expected altitude sickness with coca leaves.  Coca leaves are popular

in the region for medicinal benefits and is a mild stimulant.  They are

known the world over as being the main ingredient of cocaine. 


                Even though both Pope John Paul II and Pope Paul VI took coca leaves

while they were visiting South America before Pope Francis, there has been

speculation as to Pope Francis`s trip this year, this week.  Would or

wouldn`t he?


                And honestly, it was a little bit nuts.  The pope was clear about his

intention to enjoy coca leaves to fight off altitude sickness.  If there`s

anything we have learned about Pope Francis is that when he says he`s going

to do something, that thing gets done, even if it`s controversial.


                Now, we know.  The supreme pontiff drank some coca leaf tea on this

flight to Bolivia to Ecuador.  That tea also included – Ecuador to

Bolivia, sorry.  That tea also included some anise seeds and some

chamomile.  We`re told it is a delightful combination. 


                One flight attendant told reporters on the plane with the pope that

the pope asked for some coca leaf tea on the flight.  The flight attendant

happily complied.  They also incidentally offered it to the reporters on

the flight as well and they were pretty psyched about it. 


                So, we thought the pope may sample some coca leaves during his trip to

South America.  IT turns out that he did.  Asked and answered. 


                You know more now. 


                Thanks, Nick. 


                That does it for us tonight.  We`ll see you again tomorrow.


                Now, it`s time for “THE LAST WORD WITH LAWRENCE O`DONNELL.”





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