PoliticsNation with Al Sharpton, Transcript 10/30/2016

Guests:
Joan Walsh, Elise Jordan, Gwen Carr, Lucia McBath, Sherrilyn Ifill, Michael Waldman, Tim Kaine, Joan Walsh, Elise Jordan
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Show: POLITICS NATION
Date: October 30, 2016
Guest: Joan Walsh, Elise Jordan, Gwen Carr, Lucia McBath, Sherrilyn Ifill,
Michael Waldman, Tim Kaine, Joan Walsh, Elise Jordan

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Showdown at the polls. Voter suppression already
happening. One candidate mocking the democratic process.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We should just cancel the election
and just give it to Trump.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will talk about it with Sherrilyn Ifill.

Also, our interview with Hillary Clinton`s running mate, Tim Kaine calling
out Donald Trump on race.

TIM KAINE, VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE (via telephone): Why would he say
that our first black president wasn`t U.S. citizen? The level of
disrespect that`s shown for this community is huge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And how the FBI`S new investigation into Clinton`s e-
mails could affect the race. It`s “PoliticsNation” with Election Day just
nine days away.

AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Good morning. I`m Al Sharpton. We`ll have more
on the political fallout from the FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton`s
e-mails coming up. But we start with the right to vote under attack just a
week before Americans go to the polls. People across the country are
seeing stories like this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How would you like to have people watching every move
you make at the polls on Election Day? But this election season one
presidential candidate is calling on his supporters to do just this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The recent federal court ruling that Ohio Secretary of
State Jon Husted illegally removed more than a million voters who hadn`t
cast ballots in six years.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tonight, some republicans are mobilizing as poll
watchers saying they`re trying to prevent voter fraud. There are concerns
this could discourage legitimate voters from going to the polls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: More than 100 people in Beaufort County are having
their voter registration challenged.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, 138 people had their status challenged, many were
black registered democrats.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t need to explain the importance of voting to
100-year-old Grace Hardison. She`s been doing it longer than she can even
remember. That`s why when she found out her voter registration status was
being challenged due to undeliverable mail, she was upset.

GRACE HARDISON, 100-YEAR-OLD AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN: My mail comes from
post office. I don`t have the mail coming to my house. Ever since I`ve
been here, my mail has been coming to the post office.

SHARPTON: That`s right. A North Carolina republican challenged the status
of 100-year-old Grace Hardison. We`re seeing national efforts too, a group
called vote for Texas is backing Donald Trump and trying to recruit 3,000
poll watchers in key battleground states. And a leading militia group,
oath keepers, is enlisting former military and law officers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Call to action to go and hunt down, look for vote fraud
and voter intimidation and document it to do the best we can to stop this
election. I want to stress to our guys, go without the three gear on. We
don`t want the bad guys to know which, you know, that we`re out there. We
want them to worry about whether or not they`re being watched.

SHARPTON: They want people to worry about being watched. Make no mistake
about where this is coming from. Donald Trump has led the charge, cracking
jokes about the democratic process, while also calling for poll watchers.

TRUMP: And just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the
election, and just give it to Trump.

We have a lot of law enforcement people working that day. We`re hiring a
lot of people. We`re putting a lot of law enforcement.

We`re going to watch Pennsylvania. Very quickly, we`re going to watch
Pennsylvania. Go down to certain areas and watch and study and make sure
other people don`t come in and vote five times. So, I hope you people can
sort of not just vote on the 8th, go around and look and watch other
polling places.

SHARPTON: Democrats are fighting back. The DNC filing a lawsuit to
prevent voter intimidation by the republican national committee. And the
first lady is urging voters not to fear and instead hit the polls.

MICHELLE OBAMA, FIRST LADY OF THE UNITED STATES: So when you hear folks
talking about a global conspiracy, and saying that this election is rigged,
understand that they are trying to get you to stay home. Vote early. Vote
right now. Leave here, go vote. And don`t let anyone take that right away
from you.

SHARPTON: One person who isn`t backing down is Grace Hardison. She beat
back efforts to take her off the rolls and she says she will be voting.

Joining me now is Sherrilyn Ifill, President and Director Counselor of the
NAACP Legal Defense Fund and Educational Fund. And Michael Waldman,
President of the Brennan Center for Justice. He`s also author of “The
Fight to Vote.” Thank you both for being here.

SHERRILYN IFILL, PRESIDENT AND DIRECTOR COUNSELOR OF THE NAACP LEGAL
DEFENSE FUND AND EDUCATIONAL FUND: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Sherrilyn, how concerned are you about voter intimidation
tactics in this election?

IFILL: You know, Reverend Al, I was concerned about this election. This
is the first presidential election in 50 years without the full protections
of the Voting Rights Act because of the Supreme Court`s 2013 decision in
Shelby County versus holder. And we`ve seen all of these voting changes
that have happened since 2013, because jurisdictions no longer had to
report these changes to the federal government.

So we were already concerned about this election. We assembled all of
these voting changes in a report called democracy diminished to demonstrate
that we need to pay attention in this election. But in the last several
months, as there has been this discussion about the election being rigged,
and about sending people out to do poll watching, our fears have absolutely
and exponentially increased.

We take very seriously the issue of voter intimidation, which is absolutely
against the law. You know, when you hear Mr. Trump saying, people should
come out and watch people vote, the right to watch outside the polls, of
course, is the right of a citizen to stand outside the polls and to watch.

But when it becomes intimidation, when people are suggesting that there are
certain people who are not eligible to vote, when you`re not bothering to
educate those poll watchers about the protections of the Voting Rights Act
and other federal laws, then I think you`re creating a recipe for disaster
on Election Day.

SHARPTON: Michael, I spoke to you the first week in January of this year,
you said that democracy itself would be on the ballot. Is it worse,
though, than you even thought?

I mean, we`ve seen this before, but I don`t know about at this level, the
republican national committee is under consent decree and we`re seeing this
operating here, that could raise questions about whether or not this
consent decree has to be prolonged past, I think it`s December 2017 when it
runs out.

MICHAEL WALDMAN, PRESIDENT OF THE BRENNAN CENTER FOR JUSTICE: Well, that`s
right. And of course, in that particular case they`re going to be forced
to argue, oh, no, that`s not the Republican Party, it`s just its
presidential candidate out there, loudly demanding that people go try to
intimidate voters. Reverend –

SHARPTON: And under consent decree before being accused of being
discriminatory in terms of trying to intimidate people at the polls for
this very same thing.

WALDMAN: Exactly. And, of course, it goes back decades. Of course, it
goes back centuries. In some ways looking from January till now, in some
ways it`s better and in some ways it`s more unnerving. How is it better
one of the good things that`s happened is states have – brought these laws
forth, they tried to do these things, they were allowed to move forward
because of the Voting Rights Act have been gutted by the supreme court, but
courts across the country, federal and state, and republican and democratic
judges stood up to protect the right to vote.

In North Carolina, in Texas, in many other places, these worst laws were
blocked because they violated that most basic and Central American
principle. But now, and partly in response to that, you have Donald Trump
saying, oh, the election is rigged, saying, oh there`s massive voter fraud,
a myth of pernicious proportions. And saying basically in a cartoon
version what a lot of these politicians have been saying for a while now.

SHARPTON: Well, he`s the nominee, Sherrilyn, this is not somebody just
somewhere that we had to deal with down through the years in the civil
rights community. This is the nominee of the Republican Party. One of the
two major candidates. And I`ll give you another thing to respond to, you
have the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones who`s a Trump supporter, and he`s
cheerleading the call for poll watching.

Watch this, Sherrilyn.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALEX JONES, CONSPIRACY THEORIST: Donald Trump is announcing on his
official website an area for people to organize and get ready to be poll
watchers and also to be exit pollers. He wants real polls.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: I mean, is this the level of paranoia and fear that`s being put
out there to use people to do things that are not only biased, because
they`re telling them what areas to go for these alleged fraudulent acts
that aren`t there, but it is also illegal.

IFILL: Yes, so, Reverend Al, I want to – I want to make sure I say this
because I think there`s so much of an effort to really promote kind of
ignorance about voter – alleged voter fraud. And as Michael pointed out,
it`s a pernicious myth. There is no large scale voter fraud in this
country. You have a better chance of being struck by lightning than
experiencing in person voter fraud.

So let`s be clear what the law is because you use the word illegal. The
law protects every citizen`s right to vote, which means that right cannot
be a bridge based on race or skin color. The Voting Rights Act
specifically protects against voter intimidation and voter harassment.

People need to know that disabled people, those who are blind or literate
are allowed to have someone assist them in the polling booth. That people
who are citizens and eligible to vote but do not speak English or allowed
to have language assistance, these are the kinds of things that people have
to become educated about.

And, you know, when I hear that, when I hear about all these people out at
the poll, coming out at the polls, let me be clear, I`m proud of my civil
rights colleagues. We will all be out there poll watching and we`ve been
doing this for a while. We kind of know what we`re doing. I`m pleased
also that the justice department, although they will not have the same
number of election observers inside polling places, we`ll have poll
watchers out in 25 states.

So I really – what I don`t want is for people to be scared off by these
tactics of intimidation. We`ve been doing this, we`ll be out there, not
just the NAACP legal defense fund but many other civil rights groups and
activists protecting this right that people fought, and bled and died for.

We`re not turning around on this. And so whatever is the paranoia that
they`re trying to create, we`re going to have a steady eye and a steady
vision of who we are as citizens who have right to participate.

SHARPTON: No. Well, that`s what I wanted to open the show with, because
all of us will be out there from various groups and the justice department.
And not out there partisan, that`s nonpartisan.

IFILL: Nonpartisan.

SHARPTON: Michael, I think it`s very important.

WALDMAN: It`s very important. It is nonpartisan. This is a basic right.
If people have any problem, they can talk to the folks who are there or
they can call 1-866-our-vote. The election protection hotline which so
many groups are part of. But I think Sherrilyn Ifill is exactly right. A
lot of what Trump is saying may turn out to be just talk. In fact, the
millions of people who have fought for and won that right to vote will be
able to vote without obstruction and we need to not let anybody scare us
away from the polls.

SHARPTON: That`s why I wanted to open up Sunday morning with it, it have
the determination of Ms. Hardison, 100 years old and she won`t be turned
around and neither should you.

Sherrilyn Ifill and Michael Waldman, thank you for your time.

IFILL: Thank you, Reverend Al.

WALDMAN: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, we`ll dive into the latest on the FBI and Hillary
Clinton`s e-mails. Also, new details on the republican confusion over a
simple question. Should they support Donald Trump or not? But first, my
interview with Clinton`s running mate, Senator Tim Kaine on civil rights,
Donald Trump and more. That`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: Donald Trump appealed once again this week to minority voters.
Offering his version of reforms which he dubbed the new deal for black
America.

TRUMP: New deal for black America. That deal is grounded in three
promises. Safe communities, great education, and high paying jobs. My
vision rests on a principle that has defined this campaign.

SHARPTON: But the latest polling shows just four percent of black voters
support Trump for president. The campaign`s diversity adviser promised
this week that would change by Election Day, predicting Trump would get at
least 16 percent of the black vote.

I spoke by phone about this recently with Hillary Clinton`s running mate,
Senator Tim Kaine. This was before the latest news about the FBI e-mail
investigation. Kaine talked about his own record on civil rights, compared
to Donald Trump`s.

KAINE: For 17 years, about two-thirds of the work that I did was fighting
housing discrimination against people who were turned away either because
of the color of their skin or their disability. And really right about
that same time, Donald was making his way as a real estate guy, got sued by
the justice department, in 1973, for a very massive housing discrimination
charge with respect to nearly 40 of his properties and many got challenged
again, sued again in 1982 right about the time I was starting law practice,
so he didn`t learn his lesson.

Both instances he basically entered into consent decrees where they
promised under order of the court to do better and I just think that`s one
of the things that really energized me about this race. I was also a
missionary in Latin America for a year and when I hear him talk down
immigrants and especially Latinos that combination of being anti-civil
rights and being anti-new American kind of infuriating, but it definitely
gives me the energy. I don`t have a voice left, I`ve the energy left to
just going through the case.

SHARPTON: You would not buy that he would be the one that could give a new
deal to black America, Senator?

KAINE: Reverend Sharpton, I mean, of course he`s going to say all kinds of
things right now, but, remember, this is the guy who not only had that
history in the house and world of discriminating. But, you know, for five
years he perpetrated the bigoted lie that president Obama wasn`t a U.S.
citizen and I always say to people, don`t let him just walk away from that
unchallenged.

He said that in Virginia, in Richmond, what my friends thought about, it
brought them back to the time when in the United States, if you`re African-
American, you`re born here, even born free here, you could not be a U.S.
citizen. That`s what the decision said that you couldn`t be – your
grandkids couldn`t be U.S. citizens.

And so why would Donald Trump, with no evidence, after they`ve been
conclusively proven over and over again that President Obama was a U.S.
citizen, why would he say that our first black president wasn`t a U.S.
citizen? The level of disrespect that he`s shown for this community is
huge. Not just the African-American community, you know.

He doesn`t pay taxes to support the troops, but now he`s going to be great
for the military. He doesn`t pay taxes to support the veterans, but now
he`s going to be great for the vet. He said he`s going to be great for
everybody. But those are words, his life history shows otherwise.

SHARPTON: Contrast your record in terms of women rights, civil rights for
African-Americans, and others, when as you`ve been governor of Virginia,
with governor Pence. I mean, you`re directly running to be the vice
president of the United States.

Well, this is – this is an important one, Reverend Sharpton. And, you
know, I think our nation, even though our founders were sure flawed, they
had the wisdom to say equality should be the measuring stick for our
country.

I don`t know that there`s another country out there that just says there is
one measuring stick and it`s equality. And so LGBT equality, and I was
proud to join my senate colleagues and urging the Supreme Court to
recognize full marriage equality. Governor Pence opposes it, says it will
lead to societal collapse, wants to put justices on the Supreme Court that
will rule that pact with respect to women`s rights.

I think, you know, look everybody`s got the right to have their own moral
opinion about issues with respect to reproduction and abortion, that`s very
fair. But I don`t think government should be making women`s healthcare
decisions for them. Women should be able to make that for themselves and
so I support Roe V. Wade, allowing women to make these important decisions
for themselves, Governor Pence wants to roll that back and sign it through
to the ash heap of history so that states can use the criminal law to
prosecute, punish and even jail women who make that choice. So that is a
huge difference.

And then with respect to African-Americans, you know, I not only did I
serve as a civil rights lawyer for 17 years, but then I was the mayor of a
great city Richmond. Our current mayor Dwight Jones is a mutual friend of
both of ours. And I say 60 percent minorities but they trusted me to be a
mayor for everybody. And then I did the same thing as governor. I worked
for everybody. And this is the kind of administration that you`ll have if
Hillary and I have the fortune to be able to serve.

SHARPTON: You were the first person on a presidential ticket to ever give
an entire speech in Spanish. What Spanish phrase best describes the Trump
campaign in your judgment, Senator?

KAINE: Well, yes, I was at a church in Miami a couple of weeks back and
they asked me to just come up and talk and I just got up and just talked
for 10 minutes in Spanish to that Latino audience. And then after it was
all done, I said, well, that`s making history. But why was that making
history? Nobody`s ever done that before during the campaign. So that`s
been fun for me.

But you know – what I`ve been saying out there on the trail is [Speaking
Spanish]

Forward not back, that was a phrase we used in Honduras when we were
working on stuff back in the day. And I think that [Speaking Spanish] is
what I would think about as a – as a contrast between Hillary Clinton
presidency and a Donald Trump presidency.

SHARPTON: Again, my thanks to vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine for
taking a few minutes to chat with me on my national radio show this week.

Ahead, the potential October surprise. The FBI investigation into Hillary
Clinton`s e-mails, we`ll get into it with the PoliticsNation panel.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

TRUMP: Hillary Clinton`s corruption is on a scale we have never seen
before. We must not let her take her criminal scheme into the oval office.

SHARPTON: Donald Trump jumping on the news that the FBI is looking into
newly discovered Hillary Clinton e-mails. For months Trump has slammed the
FBI for not bringing criminal charges against Clinton. Now, just over a
week before the election, he gets a glimmer of hope. And it fits the
republican narrative that Clinton needs to be investigated further. We
learned this week house republicans are already preparing for, quote, years
of investigation into Clinton if she becomes president. For her part,
Clinton is pledging to work across the aisle if she wins.

HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I certainly intend to reach out
to republicans and independents. The elected leadership of the congress,
which you mentioned. I`m going to be doing everything I can to reach out
to people who didn`t vote for me because I want to be the president for
everybody.

SHARPTON: Let`s bring in Joan Walsh, National Affairs Correspondent at The
Nation. And MSNBC Political Analyst, Elise Jordan who is also a former
adviser to the Rand Paul for president campaign.

Elise, the FBI is looking into Clinton`s e-mails again. Is this the
October surprise republicans were desperate for?

ELISE JORDAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: I think they`re certainly pretty
grateful for it. I think this is really going to energize a lot of the
down ballot republican candidates who have been struggling because Donald
Trump is at the top of the ticket and it`s going to reinforce to
republicans who maybe are so excited about Donald Trump for president that
they need to get out and vote in those other races that are critical to
reining in Hillary Clinton`s power.

The scandal just reminds republican voters and undecided voters what really
bothers them about Hillary Clinton. She`s above the law that there`s an
element of sleaziness about always hiding something so this reinforces
that.

SHARPTON: Joan, how nervous should democrats be? Because I notice Elise
said down ballot. That it may not impact the presidential race at the top,
but down ballot, it may reinforce some republicans who were a little
distant from Trump, maybe still there, people may stay home. How nervous
should the democrats be as this bubbles up over the weekend into now?

JOAN WALSH, NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT AT THE NATION: Look, I think
anytime, Rev, that you have a story that puts Clinton FBI and e-mails in
the headline it`s not a good day for the Clinton campaign. On the other
hand, I think that a lot of this is already taking into account people have
had a lot of access to both leaked and hacked e-mails as well – as well as
great deal of transparency on the part of James Comey. Extraordinary
transparency and describing what he found wrong with her e-mail practices.
So I think there`s just not enough new in this to really shape democrats.

SHARPTON: What was extraordinary is usually you don`t have the FBI coming
out public in a race this close to an election.

WALSH: Very unusual.

SHARPTON: And sending out something publicly. This is very unusual.

WALSH: And I guess I would – one thing I would say to Elise, I don`t
think you can argue that she`s above the law. Obviously she`s not. She`s
been subjected to this long investigation and now, you know, 10 days before
the election, this came out. You know, I think that she – there are some
practices that are easily challenged.

I think the e-mail, the private server was a mistake, but the idea that
she`s above the law. She`s very much subject to the law. We`re seeing
that right now.

SHARPTON: Well, I think also when you have this almost double barrel
shotgun because you have whatever is or isn`t there in terms of e-mails,
which we may or may not even know before the election. And it brings back
Anthony Weiner and sexting investigation. I mean, you couldn`t have a
worse duo to have to deal with and then a lot of people are saying –and
we`re already getting ready for another season of endless investigations.
Let me, for example, the head of the house oversight committee looked to a
potential Clinton presidency this week and this is what he said, he says,
“It`s a target rich environment. Even before we get to day one, we got two
years worth of material already lined up, she has four years of history at
the state department. And it ain`t good.

I mean, he`s calling Clinton`s record a target rich environment. It sounds
like he can`t wait to get started.

ELISE JORDAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, and it`s – this is what is
exhausting for American voters who are sick of Clinton`s scandals. I`ve
been going around the country with Lord Ashcroft polls and doing focus
groups in battleground states and what I`ve heard repeatedly is how the
Clinton years are remembered fondly in terms of how our economy is doing,
the country is making progress, but people are sick of Clinton`s scandals.
So this only brings back the very worst of what the memory is from the
Clinton –

SHARPTON: Well, some of us were sick of republican investigations in house
– we`re all sick, but sick for different reasons.

JOAN WALSH, NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT AT THE NATION: We can all agree
on that.

SHARPTON: Yes. I mean –

JORDAN: Yes. I mean, look, I think that this underscores that the
Republican Party right now doesn`t have an agenda that it wants to pursue.
Its agenda once again and this can be a –

SHARPTON: Well, they want to pursue scandals and –

WALSH: Right. That`s becoming an agenda. The party – and this is –
this is part of what contributed to the rise of Trump, to be honest. This
is what they did to Obama. They couldn`t unify around a message, they
unified around hating him. He was less compromised in some ways than she
was. So the investigation element –

SHARPTON: Well, when you don`t have a message, always go for some mess.

WALSH: Right.

SHARPTON: Joan and Elise, stay with me. More to come.

Up next, why so many republicans can`t decide whether they do or do not
support Donald Trump. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

Sharpton: republicans are having a tough time deciding how they feel about
Donald Trump as their nominee. Earlier this month, GOP Congressman Jason
Chaffetz disowned Trump after he heard the 2005 tape of Trump talking about
groping women.

JASON CHAFFETZ, GOP CONGRESSMAN: I`m out. I can no longer in good
conscience endorse this person for president. It is some of the most
abhorrent and offensive comments that you can possibly imagine.

SHARPTON: And now, the congressman tweeted that he will be voting for
Trump, even though, quote, he will not defend or endorse him. That`s an
odd way to choose a president. But he`s not the only one. Watch Senator
Marco Rubio dodge a question about whether Trump would keep our country
safe as commander in chief.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will Donald Trump keep the country safe?

MARCO RUBIO, JUNIOR UNITED STATES SENATOR: Again, the military is what
keeps us safe and we have to rebuild our military and she is a supporter of
the defense cuts.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: But, of course, some republicans are all in with their nominee.
Check out how Congressman Kevin Yoder responded to a question about Trump
from a child.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who are you voting for president?

KEVIN YODER, MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES: Which
parent put him up to that? Is there a hot mike in here? Well, I`m a
republican, so I`m supporting the republican nominee. No matter what crazy
thing he says.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: No matter what crazy thing he says. That`s one way to do it.
Coming up, what the negative headlines for Hillary Clinton mean for Donald
Trump and other republicans, hoping to avoid a wave of defeat.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

OBAMA: If Hillary doesn`t win this election, that will be on us. It will
be because we did not stand with her. It will be because we did not vote
for her. And that is exactly what her opponent is hoping will happen.
That`s the strategy. To make this election so dirty and ugly that we don`t
want any part of it.

SHARPTON: Hillary Clinton getting a boost from one of the most popular
political figures in the country. First Lady Michelle Obama. The Clinton
campaign no doubt hoping appearances like that will help her overcome
negative headlines, like the FBI investigation into her e-mails.

In the coming days, we`ll find out how much damage those headlines will do
to Clinton. But, for Trump to win, the damage will have to be significant.
A recent batch of GOP ads released before the latest news on the Clinton e-
mails suggest that even republicans believe Clinton has the race wrapped
up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One Hillary in Washington would be bad enough, reject
Jason Kander.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We can`t let extreme liberal Kim Myers and
millionaire Martin Babinec rubber stamp Hillary Clinton`s agenda in
congress.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With McGinty, it`s a blank check for everything
Hillary wants.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now Evan Bayh wants back in the senate and he wants to
help Hillary fill another chair on the Supreme Court.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Liberal Carol Shea-Porter, she`ll be a rubber stamp for
Clinton`s agenda.

SHARPTON: Let`s bring back Joan Walsh and Elise Jordan. Joan, some
republicans are backing Trump and some are clearly running away from Trump.
Is the GOP still confused on how to deal with Donald Trump?

WALSH: I think absolutely. I think that we, you know, we had a whole
bunch of people move away from him after the awful “Access Hollywood” video
was released and now some of those same people like Deb Fischer have gone
back to him. I mean, the pendulum has been swinging. Speaker Ryan kept
his distance, but still hasn`t rescinded his endorsement. So I think
there`s a profound confusion and what`s been happening, what happened in
the last week, you did see even before the e-mail situation came out, you
did see a few republicans ticking back to him.

SHARPTON: Yes. That`s what I want to ask you, Elise. You saw earlier
last week some ticking back a little at itty-bitty as one would say as a
kid. Do you think now with the e-mails that you`re going to see some that
may be even un-endorse him, re-endorse him now? I mean what are we going
to see at this –

JORDAN: You know, there`s been no limit on the unfettered opportunism and
politically just craven behavior of republican politicians, the cycle, when
it comes to Trump. You know, figure out what you stand for and stick with
it. The electorate has no respect for all of this flip-flopping.

It`s just kind of amazed me that people will go so quickly with the win.
You know, Ted Cruz, when it was looking like Trump was doing slightly
better and uptick in the polls, he went over, he finally endorsed him. And
then the “Access Hollywood” video came out and he looked like a fool.

You`re seeing so many examples of that and it really – you know, someone
who I think is going to fare really well from this is Governor John Kasich,
because he`s held his ground.

SHARPTON: He has held his ground. You know, when she brings up ticked up
– she`s talking about the polls, it`s interesting how some of Trump`s
supporters have even questioned the polls. For example, Mike Huckabee,
he`s been pushing the line that the polls that have Clinton ahead a flawed.

MIKE HUCKABEE, CHRISTIAN MINISTER: People who will not tell a pollster,
they will not tell a news reporter how they`re going to vote. But they
will lean over and whisper, but they won`t even tell their own families
because it creates such a fight with some of their friends and relatives.

WALSH: I think this is garbage. I really do. I mean, I think we also on
the Clinton side, there was a great story in Marie Claire this week about
republican women, evangelical Christian women who won`t tell their husbands
and won`t tell anyone that they`re voting for Hillary Clinton. So, I think
that you can have some secret voters on both sides but this doesn`t really
ever pan out. The people who whine the loudest about the polls are on the
losing side as with Mitt Romney. There`s going to be a movement to un-skew
the polls. But it`s not that big this time around.

JORDAN: There isn`t going to be a huge enough hidden vote that it suddenly
renders all of these polls completely invalid.

SHARPTON: Oh, you mean there`s a lot hidden votes if these polls are
right.

JORDAN: If these polls are that wrong then something seriously wrong with
the way the entire polling industry is set up.

SHARPTON: Let me ask something else. A lot of focus groups are saying now
what I started saying early that Trump is looking past November 8th himself
and playing Trump TV. Let me show this.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I have no interest in Trump TV. I
hear it all over the place and I have a tremendous fan base. I mean we
have a tremendous base. We have the most incredible people. But I just
don`t have any interest on that. I have one interest, that`s November 8th.

SHARPTON: Elise, do you believe him or do you think he`s – I mean,
there`s already been reports that Kushner`s son-in-law`s talked – has
reached out to somebody. Do you think he`s really planning on

Trump TV if things don`t turn around in some miraculous way and make him
president?

JORDAN: That was a rare occasion of Donald Trump staying it on message.
As we`ve learned this campaign cycle, he`s absolutely obsessed with being
televising he was before. I think Trump TV is the natural next step for
him. And you look at the steps that his organization, the advisers closest
to him that are – that they`re taking to set up using his data and his e-
mail list and the supporters that he`s amassed to turn it into money making
operation. It really is a little con right now that`s happening to the
Republican Party.

WALSH: But it could also – both of these things could be true, that he
may or may not be interested in that, but I think one interesting thing
that we learned this week is this operation that Elise is talking about.

He has really taken the RNC`S own data. He owns republican data right now
and his campaign CEO, Steve Bannon, associated with the alt-right, on the
far right of the Republican Party, now is in a position to wage war against
republicans. I mean, Steve Bannon has been waging war against Paul Ryan.

JORDAN: Hates Paul Ryan.

WALSH: Hates Paul Ryan. So they can either weaponize this data against
the party or they can weaponize it as a – as a new TV –

SHARPTON: So it`s not going to be over November 8th, both the national
elections or the fights inside the national parties and we`re going to have
a lot to that continues to happen.

Joan Walsh, Elise Jordan, thank you both for your time this morning.

WALSH: Thanks, Rev.

JORDAN: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: Up next, Hillary Clinton has a powerful ally on her side. How a
group of women, whom some known as the mothers of the movement, hope to get
her in the White House.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SHARPTON: For Hillary Clinton, the African-American vote may hold the key
to the White House. And some of her most powerful allies on the trail are
the women being called mothers of the movement. Five women whose children
died at the hands of gun violence or police encounters. They were with her
at the convention in Philadelphia. And they`ve been with her on the
campaign trail as well.

GWENN CARR, MOTHER OF ERIC GARNER: Everybody, get out there and vote and
take a friend.

LUCIA MCBATH, MOTHER OF JORDAN DAVIS: Help make her the 45th president of
this United States.

SHARPTON: Clinton has praised their courage, promising to put gun violence
and race relations at the center of her platform.

HILLARY CLINTON, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Their hearts were broken as any
mother`s heart would be. But they have summoned the courage and the
energy, the fierce sense of urgency, to try to do what they can to help us
meet the challenges we face in our country.

SHARPTON: Joining me now are two of those women, Gwenn Carr, mother of
Eric Garner, and Lucia McBath, mother of Jordan Davis. And let me say a
way of full disclosure, I`ve been part of the movement, their mothers up,
but they`re in the campaign, which is another phase of their activity.
Thank you both for being here today.

MCBATH: Thank you for having us. Always a pleasure.

SHARPTON: Let me ask you, Miss Carr. What do you expect Secretary Clinton
to do about policing and crime in America if she wins?

CARR: I really think she`ll step up to the plate because she has promised
us this. We all was in a meeting with her in Chicago last September, and
she came in there, she took notes, she asked us what can she do for us.
And if she was to become president, what would we like for her to do. I
think she came in there as a politician, but she left with a little bit of
all of the mothers.

We need someone like her, because she is a qualified individual. And I
think right now she`s the only qualified individual that`s on the ballot.

SHARPTON: I know when she spoke at several forums including national
action network convention that she had with – that she came to us, she
gave specifics. Would gun violence, Lucia, a specific question of how we
deal with gun violence, and what happened to Jordan is something that has
concerned many Americans? What do you think she will do and has since she
would do around gun violence?

MCBATH: Well, Secretary Clinton has said over and over again, all across
the nation that first and foremost she does believe in the second amendment
rights for individuals to be able to bear arms, protect themselves, and
their families, that is not what she`s trying to chip away at. But what
she does believe is that we have to have regulations not so much
regulations, but common sense laws put in place, background check
legislation for all federal gun sales.

You know, she said over and over again that, you know, we have to build
upon the legislative initiatives that President Obama has put in place to
make sure that people in this country do not have to be in fear of being
gunned down senselessly to the extreme gun violence.

SHARPTON: Now, Donald Trump, her opponent, has used some interesting
language to appeal to African-American voters to vote for him. Watch this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: The danger, the crime, the lack of education, no jobs. African-
Americans are living in hell in the inner cities. I mean, they`re living -
- they`re living in hell. You walk to the store for a loaf of bread, you
get shot.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: I mean, when you hear him say that, we`re living in hell,
African-Americans, you walk to the store, you get shot. How do you feel
when you hear him say that?

CARR: You know, I don`t know where he`s living. We have some affluent
afro American people. I think that he`s just generalizing, he`s putting
all afro Americans in one basket.

SHARPTON: Lucia?

MCBATH: Well, I think it`s a very discriminatory and blatantly outright
racist statement that he made. I definitely take offense to that. As you
will begin to see that the mothers of the movement, we represent all of
minority America. And so we come from all religious backgrounds, and
educational upbringing, we all come from different communities and so
that`s very blatantly racist.

SHARPTON: And even different generations.

MCBATH: Absolutely. Absolutely. So for him to make a blanket statement
like that, I know that minorities all over the country have definitely
taken issue with that divisive and discriminatory rhetoric.

SHARPTON: Now, what`s it like been out there? I mean, I`ve marched with
both of you and we`ve dealt a lot of things, but now you`re out there on
the political road and I ran for president. I know how that can be
gruesome. What has it been like? What has surprised you out there
campaigning?

CARR: Well, it`s awesome, really. I never experienced it before. But now
I know the meaning of living out of a suitcase. And dealing with different
people, going to different forums, going to different churches,
universities. And the crowds, you know, once you – they open up to you,
it is really, really awesome.

SHARPTON: It`s energizing.

CARR: Yes, very energizing.

SHARPTON: Lucia, what has surprised you, if anything?

MCBATH: Well, I think the thing is that even though we come from all
sectors of society, most people that we`ve come in contact with, most
people that I`ve talked to, we all want the same thing. When you start
talking about politics and the politics of making sure that everybody has a
place in this nation, truly we all really want the same thing, we`re just
going about it in different directions.

SHARPTON: Gwenn Carr and Lucia McBath, thank you for being with me this
morning.

CARR: Thank you.

MCBATH: Thank you so much.

SHARPTON: That does it for me. Thanks for watching. And keep the
conversation going. Like us at facebook.com/politicsnation. And follow us
on twitter @PoliticsNation. I`ll see you back here next Sunday.

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