PoliticsNation with Al Sharpton, Transcript 3/13/2016

Guests:
Ed Rendell; Sherrod Brown; Bernie Sanders; Sherrod Brown; Angela Rye; Jay Newton-Small; Robert Traynham
Transcript:

Show: POLITICS NATION
Date: March 13, 2016
Guest: Ed Rendell; Sherrod Brown; Bernie Sanders; Sherrod Brown; Angela
Rye; Jay Newton-Small; Robert Traynham

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DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: You know, we have he the first
amendment right, we have a freedom of speech -

Unbelievable. Get out of here. Get him out. Get him out.

I`m going to ask that you arrest them. I`ll file whatever charges you
want.

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REV. AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Good morning. I`m Al Sharpton. That was
the chaotic scene at Donald Trump`s last rally of the day last night in
Kansas City. And outside there were confrontations like this, crowds
lining the street, people, police, police on horses, you can see the police
appear to pepper spray the protesters. Disruptions are becoming the new
normal. Yesterday a man tried to rush the podium as Trump was speaking in
Ohio. The man was stopped by the secret service. In Kansas City, Trump
called for protesters to be arrested.

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TRUMP: If they want to do this, I say to the rest of the room, because
we`re going to go strongly for your arrest, and I`m going to do this from
now on, let`s ruin – they`re going to ruin the rest of their lives if they
want to do this, let them have a big arrest mark. They got arrested. For
whatever it is –

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SHARPTON: Trump rivals are now speaking out about the wild scenes, saying
he bears responsibility.

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GOV. JOHN KASICH (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Donald Trump has created a
toxic environment. There is no place for a national leader to prey on the
fears of people.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: He doesn`t want to say
anything to his supporters because he doesn`t want to turn them off.
Because he understands the reason why he are voting for him is because he
tapped into this anger.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Responsibility begins and ends
at the top. It is my hope that all of us can appeal to civility.

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SHARPTON: But, at the least for now, those same rivals are sticking by
their pledge to support Trump if he gets the nomination.

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RUBIO: I still at this moment continue to intend to support the Republican
nominee. But, getting harder every day.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You talk about the toxic atmosphere.

KASICH: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that disqualifying to be the nominee of your party?

KASICH: You know, he`s getting close to it, but I will tell you – I said
he`s getting close to it.

CRUZ: I committed at the outset. I will support the Republican nominee,
whoever it is.

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SHARPTON: For his part, Trump says he knows who to blame for the protests,
supporters of Bernie Sanders.

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TRUMP: These other people, by the way, some represented Bernie, our
communist friend. With Bernie, so he should really get up and say to his
people, stop. Stop. Not me. Stop.

Look it`s a Bernie person. It`s a Bernie. Hello, Bernie. Hey, Bernie,
get your people in line, Bernie!

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SHARPTON: I caught up with Sanders yesterday as he dashed from one
campaign rally to another. We began by talking about his supporters
protesting at the Trump event.

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SHARPTON: You are not in any way condoning or encouraging your supporters
to disrupt Donald Trump rallies, is that right?

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: No, of course we`re not.
We have nothing to do with that protest. But what does concern me, Al, is
that a lot of the language coming from Donald Trump himself is almost
condoning of violence. And as you know, just the other day, charges were
brought against his own campaign manager for assaulting a female
journalist.

I think what you`re seeing is Trump kind of provoking violence in his
supporters. And I hope he makes it very clear that in the United States of
America, people can attend rallies, people can protest, and not be afraid
of being beaten up or sucker punched, which is what we have seen on a
number of occasions at Trump rallies.

SHARPTON: But what he has made clear, senator Sanders, is at a rally in
Ohio, he has called you out. He says you ought to tell your supporters to
stop coming and protesting at his rallies. What is your response?

SANDERS: We have never, never once told anybody to do anything like that.
You know, and I hesitate to stay this, you know, al, because you know, in a
democracy, people have difference of opinions, and I have differences of
opinions with Donald Trump, but the truth is, this guy really is a
pathological liar. He says the first thing that comes to his mind. I
guess he`s referring to me as a communist. Maybe he`s getting a little bit
nervous with the fact that in the last “Wall Street Journal”/NBC poll we
were 18 points ahead of him. We have been defeating nip double digits in
almost every national poll and every statewide poll. So I think maybe we
can expect to hear some more attacks from Mr. Trump.

SHARPTON: So you think that his attacks are strategic, because of the
polls saying you`re 18 points ahead. So you`re saying that your campaign
in no way directly or indirectly organized the protests against Donald
Trump or his events?

SANDERS: Absolutely. That is absolutely correct.

SHARPTON: Now, he even said on twitter he called the protesters thugs
which has all kind of connotations. What do you say to that?

SANDERS: Well, you know, here is a guy who is calling people who protest
against him violent or thugs, while his campaign manager, as I just
mentioned the other day, is now being charged with assaulting a female
journalist, where he has time and again kind of referenced positive things
about violence. You know, talking about the good old days or his desire to
punch somebody in the head. I mean, we have never seen anything quite like
this in modern American political history.

Look, I have been protested all of the time. I get protesters throughout
my political career. Protested when I`m running for president. We don`t
go out beating up, our supporters don`t go around beating up our opponents.
We respect people`s right to protest. And I think it`s terribly important
that Trump tell his supporters that in America you don`t go around beating
up people who are protesting, or who have a different point of view. He`s
got to start changing his rhetoric, and not blame other people for the
problems that he is causing.

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SHARPTON: We`ll have much more from my interview with Bernie Sanders in a
few minutes.

But today, everyone is bracing for more Trump rallies. He has three
planned today. Let`s bring in Rick Tyler, MSNBC political analyst, and
former national spokesperson for the Ted Cruz campaign. And Ed Rendell,
the former Democratic governor of Pennsylvania and former head of the DNC.

Rick, let me go to you first. You`ve been in politics a long time. Have
you ever seen anything like we`ve seen in the last 48 hours?

RICK TYLER, FORMER CRUZ CAMPAIGN NATIONAL SPOKESPERSON: Morning, Reverend.
No, I haven`t. This is a really quite disturbing. You know, we look
around the globe, the reason, you know, power has changed is sometimes you
see the parliament burning. And we have always had a peaceful transition
of power. And these protests are – and these – it was a protest and
reaction to them.

Look people can protest. They have no right to rush the stage. Donald
Trump has a right to speak, and others have a right to protest. But they
should do it in a civil way. The violence that we`ve seen is really very
disturbing. I don`t think it is very representative of the Republican
Party. At least I hope so.

SHARPTON: Now, governor, do you think that all of this will affect
Tuesday`s election? We have five states that are critical in terms of the
selection process for both parties. Do you think this will affect the
voting on Tuesday?

ED RENDELL, FORMER PENNSYLVANIA GOVERNOR: Yes, I think it will. I think
it will add some points to John Kasich`s total in Ohio. I think it will
help Ted Cruz perhaps in North Carolina and Missouri. But, what`s
happening is, over time, all of these things are starting to pile up. And
they will begin to have an effect on Mr. Trump. Particularly when he gets
in a one-on-one race, either in the Republican primaries against Ted Cruz,
or in the general election. It – it`s becomes baggage and the more
baggage you have, the harder it is to sustain your momentum. So I think
it`s a real danger for the Trump campaign. And I think the one smart thing
they did was cancel the rally in Chicago. Because that, to me, seemed like
a tinderbox.

And you`ll remember, Reverend, very well, the protests outside of the
democratic convention in Chicago in 1968, and the overreaction to the
protests, the beating of the protesters, that was probably why Hubert
Humphrey lost the election in the fall to Richard Nixon. He lost very
narrowly. So I think yes, this will have an effect. It will have a slight
effect on Tuesday but over the course of time this stuff is going to pile
up.

SHARPTON: Rick, you know, some are saying that this may galvanize Trump
supporters. Do you agree it will hurt him? And if it does not hurt him,
will it hurt the GOP brand? Particularly if he`s the nominee?

TYLER: It already is hurting the GOP brand. And I do think it will
galvanize his supporters. It`s sort of unfortunate. I mean, his – a lot
of these people have never been involved before, Trump says that, people
who never voted before.

Look. People are very frustrated and they can take out their frustration
by voting for the candidate they want. But these violent outbursts and the
way these rallies are going is not very good. But what we have to remember
is, is most people in the Republican party in this primary process do not
support Donald Trump and I think the governor is right. If it were a one-
on-one, say Cruz versus Trump, I think Cruz would beat him handily.

And in particular, where if everybody is saying Cruz wouldn`t do well like
in the northeastern states I think Cruz would actually do well in those
states because those states tend to vote for establishment Republicans, so
that`s New York, Connecticut, these kinds of states, and some of these
larger, California. When they – but Trump is not establishment nor is Ted
Cruz. But, I think given the choice between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump, you
would see Ted Cruz do very well in these more moderate states.

SHARPTON: Governor, you know, at some of the rallies people some of the
protesters, not all and not even from what we could measure the majority of
but some were yelling senator Bernie Sanders name, had on t-shirts,
supporting him, and now Trump has said these are his supporters that are
doing this, and as you saw, I caught up with him yesterday and he denied
it. Is this going to hurt Sanders if he`s seen as the other side to this,
and could it in some very inadvertent way help secretary Clinton?

RENDELL: Well, it`s possible, Rev. But I don`t think so. I think people
understand that senator Sanders wouldn`t countenance any of this. And
look. His supporters are passionate. The thing we have got going in this
election is two phenomenon. The passionate nature of the Trump supporters,
the Republican primary. And the passionate nature of the Sanders
supporters in the democratic primary. And that tends, when people are that
passionate, that tends to create friction.

I don`t think that the Sanders people went to the Trump rally trying to
create trouble for Donald Trump. They just went to protest and be heard.
And Mr. Trump is wrong about one thing. Yes, if a protester rushes the
stage and tries to do harm to a candidate, or if a protester starts hitting
or pushing people around, they`re subject to arrest. But if all they are
is there protesting, they can be removed because they`re disturbing other
people. But they can`t be charged with a crime. And the two young
African-Americans who are being taken out of a Trump rally two or three
days ago, and then – doing nothing but being removed from the rally, and
then that man leaned over and gave the guy a good shot, an impressive shot
actually for a 78-year-old guy, but the crime there is the person who hit
the protester.

SHARPTON: Right.

RENDELL: That`s the person who`s going to get the criminal record. And
Mr. Trump is wrong. Look, if protesters come in, and any of us who have
held off, or run for office, have been subject to protesters. What I would
do –

SHARPTON: I`ve been a protester, and I know the rules. You`re right. And

RENDELL: Absolutely.

SHARPTON: And I continue to be a protester on issues. But I think I would
disagree with you about that shot. It was a sucker punch. It was not a
fair shot.

RENDELL: No, no, no. It wasn`t a fair shot. But I was amazed that a 78-
year-old could hit that hard. And by the way, give the young man a lot of
credit for restraint.

SHARPTON: Yes, he did.

RENDELL: He didn`t get up and start fighting back. He knew what he was
there for, to peacefully protest.

SHARPTON: Yes.

All right. Rick Tyler, Ed Rendell, thank you both this morning for being
with us.

Still ahead, more of my interview with Bernie Sanders, why he`s failing to
attract more minority voters, and what he`ll try to do about it.

Plus I talk to the senator who may – who may be, according to many,
Hillary Clinton`s running mate.

And President Obama reacts to the claim that he should be blamed for Donald
Trump.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I have been blamed by
Republicans for a lot of things, but being blamed for their primaries, and
who they`re selecting for their party is novel.

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SHARPTON: Away from the chaos we are seeing at the Trump rallies, there`s
a rough race going on in the Democratic Party. With five states up for
grabs on Tuesday, we are watching that carefully.

In part two of my interview with Sanders, we talked about his match-up with
Clinton. And how he is laying out differences from her in these upcoming
states.

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SHARPTON: On Tuesday you have primaries in five states. Right there in
Chicago, Illinois, your campaign began running ads around the Laquan
McDonald case. As you know I have been for years dealing with police
reform matters. So it caught my eye particularly. Are you in some ways,
with these ads, targeting Mayor Rahm Emanuel, who many of us felt did not,
at best, deal with this case properly? And by inference tying him to your
opponent in the primary, Hillary Clinton?

SANDERS: Well, let me just answer that in a couple of ways. First of all,
I am in Illinois right now. We had a great rally last night in summit,
Illinois. We had 9,000 people out. And Al, I am sensing the same kind of
energy and momentum that we had in Michigan last week where we surprised
everybody by winning a victory. And I`m feeling good about the five states
that are coming up.

Now, in terms of Illinois, I have to tell you, I think that when you have a
mayor who has paid back Wall Street hundreds of millions of dollars for
very questionable – very transactions between Wall Street and the Chicago
school system, while at the time same shutting down 50 schools, and laying
off large numbers of teachers, yes, I think you got a mayor who`s on the
wrong side of history, and is doing – and is performing not the way a
serious mayor should perform. And if Hillary Clinton touts him, Rahm
Emanuel, as one of her strong supporters, which she does, he`s one of the
mayor`s most prominently displayed in supporting her, well I think Emanuel
is doing a good job and Hillary Clinton will have to tell the people of
Chicago and Illinois how she feels about, number one, his response to the
school crisis. And number two, his response to the McDonald situation, as
well.

SHARPTON: Now, you won – you won Michigan, a lot of emphasis on free
trade. A lot of emphasis on NAFTA, and moving jobs overseas. Big issues
that were behind your win in Michigan. Is this how you`re campaigning in
Illinois, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, and Missouri, going in to this
Tuesday?

SANDERS: Well, people in the Midwest, and people throughout this country,
want to know why it is that the middle class continues to disappear. Why
people are working longer hours for lower wages, and almost all new wealth
and income is going to the top one percent. And in the midst of
understanding why that`s happening, you have got to look at these
disastrous trade policies.

I knew from day one, way back in the early 1990s, that NAFTA was going to
be a disaster for American workers. And later that permanent normal trade
relations with China was going to be a disaster. American workers should
not be forced to compete against desperate people abroad who are forced to
work the starvation wages. We want to uplift poor people around the world.
But you can do that without destroying the middle class of this country. I
have opposed all of these trade agreements. Hillary Clinton has supported
virtually all of them. That is a major difference in terms of our views on
economics, I want corporate America to invest in this country, not in
China. Apparently she has a different point of view in terms of trade. So
is that an issue we`re going to be highlighting? Absolutely.

When millions of workers have lost their jobs in this country because of
disastrous trade policies, when we are seeing a race to the bottom, where
wages are going down in manufacturing, in many parts of this country, you
bet that I`m going to make that a major bone of contention, and a
disagreement that Hillary Clinton and I have.

SHARPTON: As we talk about trade, as we talk about Wall Street, as we talk
about finance, in the black and Latino community, even if things are
brought down in terms of some of these issues, if we lose the case of
affirmative action, their fear as I travel around the country and talk to
people, is but how do we get equality? What does this have to do with us?
You got 30 percent of the black vote in Michigan. Better than you did in
the south, but still less than the third Mrs. Clinton got twice as many.

What do you say to black and Latino voters who you need to support you in
November if you`re the nominee, and certainly you will need this Tuesday,
what do you say will be their particular way of dealing with racial
inequality in the fight about income inequality?

SANDERS: What I say is that we started this campaign at three percent in
the polls. We were doing terrible with blacks, whites, and Latinos with
everybody. We have come a long, long way, Al, in closing that gap. I
believe that in Nevada my understanding is we won the Latino vote. I think
we did very, very well in Colorado. I think, among young people, we are
doing very well in the Latino community and in the African-American
community. Our serious problem remains with older people, whether they`re
black, Latino or white. But we are doing much, much better.

And I think our message to the African-American community, check out our
record on criminal justice. Nobody has a stronger record and a stronger
agenda in fighting against police brutality and in the need for police
department reform. What I have said over and over again is that if a
police officer breaks the law, like any other public official, that officer
must be held accountable. We need to demilitarize our local police
departments. We need to make sure the police departments look like the
communities they serve in terms of their diversity.

What we are also doing is having a very strong economic message. I`m the
candidate talking about raising minimum wage to $15 an hour. I`m the
candidate talking about creating 13 million decent paying jobs, we`re
building our infrastructure. Pay equity for women. Making sure that we
address the crisis with high rates of youth unemployment in the African-
American and Latino community.

This is a campaign to bring people together, to end institutional racism,
to end the embarrassment of the United States having more people in jail
than any other country. If I`m elected president, we`re going to make real
progress on all of those issues.

SHARPTON: Senator Bernie Sanders. Thank you so much for joining us this
weekend.

SANDERS: Thank you.

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SHARPTON: Hillary Clinton is hoping to avoid another Michigan on Tuesday.
I`ll talk one-on-one with the senator some are saying could be her running
mate.

Plus, Donald Trump`s divisive rallies, are they tearing the Republican
Party apart? We`ll ask our panel.

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SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D), OHIO: You have the power in the next three days to
make sure that Hillary Clinton wins Ohio –

You do it right in the next three days. You set the stage to do it right
in November, and you will see the next president of the United States,
Hillary Clinton.

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SHARPTON: Senator Sherrod Brown, introducing Hillary Clinton at an event
yesterday in Ohio. The state is key to her hopes on Tuesday. She wants to
avoid another upset like Bernie Sanders pulled in Michigan.

Before Senator Brown jetted off to campaign for Clinton, I talked to him
about whether she should be worried about the state.

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BROWN: Of course you`re concerned in every state as secretary Clinton
moves state to state. She knows this is a race. But I think you start
with a couple things, Reverend Sharpton. One is she`s the most qualified
person running. Maybe that doesn`t matter much this year. But
fundamentally by the general election it will. She`s the most qualified
person to run for president in my lifetime.

Second, she`s devoted her life to fighting for issues that you fought for
your while life, early childhood education, health care, helping provide
opportunities to working class and poor people and working class people and
middle income people. And I think that will continue to highlight that in
Ohio. I feel good about her race here. I feel good that she will be the
nominee. And I feel good how both candidates, frankly, have held
themselves well, particularly contrasted with the Republican debates, which
have looked, frankly, pretty embarrassing to a lot of Americans, and to the
whole world.

SHARPTON: Now, independents are allowed to vote in the Democratic
primaries in Michigan, which is what is the basis of the victory by senator
Sanders. He won a huge portion of the independent votes, though Mrs.
Clinton won among the Democrats. Are you concerned about independents
doing the same in Ohio? Because you have an open primary there, just like
Michigan?

BROWN: We have legal an open primary. I think there`s less tradition in
Ohio of people switching over from Republican to Democrat or Democrat and
taking a Republican ballot.

SHARPTON: Polls say that Sanders, among very liberal voters, he got 59
percent of the vote in Michigan among very liberal voters. Clinton only
got 41 percent. So the very liberal, progressive voter seems to be going
overwhelmingly for Sanders. Is that a concern?

BROWN: Well, At least progressive voters but I don`t totally - I mean,
Hillary Clinton is a good progressive. I have known her for 25 years.
I`ve admired what she`s done. I understand Bernie`s tone and rhetoric is
more attractive to progressives, especially on trade, especially on taxes,
talk about millionaires and billionaires. But I also know and I helped
write some of the pro programs that she`s talking about in her campaign. I
know that on trade and on enforcement and rules of origin, on autos, on
issues like taxation, on outsourcing of jobs, I know that – and on Wall
Street reform Hillary Clinton`s going to do the right thing.

SHARPTON: My colleague Chuck Todd had another idea on how Hillary Clinton
might reach some progressive voters and get them to – get them to maybe
come her way. Let me show you what he said.

CHUCK TODD, HOST, MEET THE PRESS: She is going to have to worry about it
for her running mate. I put Sherrod Brown now front of the list, front of
the line as a potential running mate for her because she`s going to need
somebody that appeals to the Sanders wing of the party. He`s a connector.
He just knows how to connect to folks. He`s got that gravelly voice.

SHARPTON: Is there a possibility of a Clinton/Brown ticket?

BROWN: There is no possibility. I know that people say this all the time.
I literally have no interest. I love what I`m doing. I love fighting for
earned income tax credit, for what we`re trying to do in housing in my
state against bad trade agreements. I will continue to fight on those
issues in Ohio. I don`t want any other office. I feel lucky that I get
the privilege of serving in the Senate. So the answer is no and I actually
mean it. Unlike most politicians who say they don`t want to be vice
president.

SHARPTON: Let`s look at the Republican side, because you have said the
GOP`s dog whistle politics on race and gender helped create Donald Trump.
Elaborate on that.

BROWN: Well, for decades, or at least for years, Republican politicians
have been dog whistling about race. And then when they`re shocked when
Donald Trump starts barking. And it`s – he, you know, the difference
between Donald Trump, and the rest of them, is tone and volume and
personality, plus Donald Trump has done actually the right thing on trade
policy. He is saying, at least in my mind, the right thing on trade policy
and entitlements. He breaks with the established Wall Street corporate
wing of the party by opposing bad trade agreements, and by standing up for
Social Security beneficiaries. But, underneath all that there is a tone of
hate speech, and dog whistles about race or barking about race that makes
him, in my mind, not qualified to be president of the United States,
period.

SHARPTON: Senator Sherrod Brown, thank you for your time.

BROWN: Always, glad to, thanks Reverend Sharpton.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SHARPTON: Right after the break, a new twist in the Supreme Court fight.
A nomination could be just days away.

Also, why are some on the right blaming President Obama for the chaos at
the Trump rallies? Stay with us.

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OBAMA: I find it ironic that people who are constantly citing the
constitution would suddenly read into the constitution requirements, norms,
procedures that are nowhere to be found there. You can`t abandon your
principles if, in fact, these are your principles, simply for the sake of
political expediency.

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SHARPTON: `President Obama accusing Republicans of betraying their claim
of protecting the constitution in the fight over the Supreme Court. The
president is expected to announce his nomination as early as this week.
But Senator Chuck Grassley is leading the GOP crowd intent on delaying the
nomination until after the election.

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SEN. CHUCK GRASSLEY (R), IOWA: Everybody knows any nominee submitted in
the middle of this presidential campaign isn`t getting confirmed.
Everybody knows that. The White House knows it. Senate Democrats know it.
Republicans know it.

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SHARPTON: Everybody knows that, well except for a senator named Chuck
Grassley in 2008, who was really excited about removing politics from the
confirmation process. Back then he said quote “the reality is that the
Senate has never stopped confirming judicial nominees during the last few
months of a president`s term.”

And in a radio interview this week, one Republican senator admitted things
would be different if there was someone different in the White House right
now.

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SEN. RON JOHNSON (R), WISCONSIN: It`s a different situation. And
generally, and this is the way it works out politically, if you`re
replacing – if a conservative president is replacing a conservative
justice, you know, there`s a little more accommodation to it.

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SHARPTON: It`s a different situation. Sounds to me like the same, old
right-wing hypocrisy. We will see what Republicans do when the president
announces his nomination. But until then, nice try. But we got you.

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TRUMP: We want to get along with everybody, and we can get along with
people. We`re going to unify the country. Our president has divided this
country so badly. He has been a – I call him the great divider.

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SHARPTON: Donald Trump, after days of violence and chaos at his rallies,
accusing President Obama of being divisive. Other Republicans are even
suggesting the president himself is somehow to blame for all the turmoil at
the Trump events.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RUBIO: Barack Obama has used divisive language, as well. I will admit he
hasn`t called on people in the crowd to beat people up. But he has divided
Americans up among, you know, class warfare and things of this nature.

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SHARPTON: President Obama responded to claims like that. Take a look.

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OBAMA: I have been blamed by Republicans for a lot of things, but, being
blamed for their primaries, and who they`re selecting for the party, is
novel.

What you`re seeing within the Republican Party is, to some degree, all
those efforts over a course of time creating an environment where somebody
like a Donald Trump can thrive.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: Joining me now is our political panel, Robert Traynham, MSNBC
contributor and former Bush/Cheney senior adviser. Political strategist
Angela Rye, and Jay Newton Small from “Time” magazine. Thank you all for
being here.

ROBERT TRAYNHAM, FORMER BUSH/CHENEY SENIOR ADVISOR: Good morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.

SHARPTON: So, Robert, who is to blame for Donald Trump?

TRAYNHAM: Well, I think it`s a circular firing squad. I mean, look. The
president does have a point. I mean, the Republican Party, my party, has
created Donald Trump. This was fuelled a lot by a couple of years ago by
the whole birther movement that Donald Trump clearly articulated, clearly
pushed, clearly took advantage of a couple of years ago and the Republican
party did not dial that back.

The reality is that the president is American, the reality is that the
president is not Muslim, and the reality is that the president is just as
American as just you and I but Donald Trump fuelled that fear and also
fuelled that ignorance, if you will, a couple of years ago, and the
Republican party did nothing to dial it back.

However, and I think we`re conflating the two here, the president is also,
and he said this during his state of the union address, that he`s alluded
to this in a couple of post-press interviews where he could have done a
better job of reaching across the aisle and working with Republicans on a
number of issues. So both sides are frustrated. Both sides are partly to
blame for this hyper-partisan atmosphere. But let`s be very clear, Donald
Trump is guilty here.

SHARPTON: Wait a minute, Robert. You cannot compare questioning someone`s
birthplace, questioning someone`s religion, in many ways saying that people
of a certain des scent are rapist or whether someone should have reached
across the aisle for some partisan unity on certain issues. You`re mixing,
in my opinion, apples and oranges there.

TRAYNHAM: Is that to me, Rev?

SHARPTON: Well, I`m saying to Jane, because Robert seemed to be trying to
compare – let me tell you why I say that, Jane, if you look at a video
posted by a reporter, our reporter Tony Decopal of a confrontation with a
Trump reporter. Watch this. This is not about bipartisanism.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go back to Africa! (Bleep) if you`re an African, go
back to Africa. Go back to Africa.

Go back to Europe. Go back to Europe.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: So, Jay, I mean, go back to Africa is not reaching across the
aisle for some bipartisan unity.

JAY NEWTON-SMALL, REPORTER, TIME MAGAZINE: No, Reverend Sharpton, indeed.
This is - I mean, look. The Republican Party for years has been sort of
stroking – stoking this anger amongst the base. And a lot of it is
racial, some of it is economic, some of it is, you know, political, as
well.

But I mean this anger that they have courted and they`ve really sought out
and you`ve seen it not just in this election but in elections past, and
it`s sort of like bull that they`ve been riding and they rode the bull to
some success. They got their championship. They are eight seconds on the
ball. And they got the house representatives in the Senate, but it`s a
little bit of a Faustian bargain. Because now that you`ve ridden the bull,
you have got - you are falling off the bull and you`re still in the ring
with this bull that`s enraged, and really angry, and it`s going to take it
out on somebody. It`s going to kill somebody. And you`re trapped in this
ring with this bull. And I think it`s sort of a really bad deal that
they`ve made. And you know, we`ll see what happens here.

But the fact of the matter is that Donald Trump is their party`s front-
runner. And the fact that none of the establishment really likes that or
really wants to see it is really something of their own making.

SHARPTON: And Angela, we`ve not really heard Republicans very aggressively
denounce this. You know, I had a lot of disagreements with the
McCain/Palin campaign. But McCain did eventually take a very firm stance
and say wait a minute, you can`t do this. They have seemingly allowed this
to fester, and here we are.

ANGELA RYE, POLITICAL STRATEGIST: Yes, here we are. And I think most
interesting to me is that so many people say, well Donald Trump doesn`t
really believe this. He`s going to change his tune when it comes time for
the general.

Donald Trump, and you probably know this better than me, but his history is
rooted in this. This didn`t start with him calling President Obama a
Muslim or him stoking the birther movement that it already really started
in. He just became the spokesperson. Or him calling for the president`s
Harvard transcript. This started with a full page ad of the central park
five. Before that it started with his housing discrimination case for
violating the fair housing act when he built his apartment building in the
`70s.

SHARPTON: That he hasn`t settled, right?

RYE: Yes. So these are the types of things that exist that that make up
the very foundation of who Donald Trump is, and so we shouldn`t be
surprised, not only by the rhetoric, but the party also has to say they
have to be accountable for this type of violence, this type of bigotry, and
this type of racism. It`s time to call it what it is.

SHARPTON: Robert, where`s the leadership? I`m not talking about reaching
across the aisle to let`s find common ground on legislation. But I`m
talking about when you have people questioning the birthplace of a
president that clearly was born where he was born. When you have people at
rallies talking about go back to Africa, when you`re calling Mexicans
rapists, when you say Islam hates America. Where`s the leadership
denouncing this, Robert?

TRAYNHAM: I don`t disagree with you, Rev. I mean, we have been pretty
quiet on the Republican side, unfortunately, on us issue. But let me go
back because I think this is very, very important.

You have Paul Ryan who came out just two weeks ago. He did a national
press conference denouncing Donald Trump and the KKK. I hope you have that
tape because he was very clear about that. You have Michael Steele the
former chair of the Republican Party also speaking about this. I have been
on this network for many months speaking out against this. So you have
some people – you also have, quite frankly, Marco Rubio much to his
chagrin, who obviously went out with this. You also have Jeb Bush who also
was talking about this back in August during the whole entire comments
about Donald Trump with the Mexican-Americans.

So there have been some Republican establishment individuals who were
running for president, who are running for president, who are currently in
house leadership who have said enough is enough, Donald Trump. This is not
the Republican Party, you don`t speak for us, cut it out, or dial it back.
So there have been some leadership to be completely fail.

SHARPTON: And Michael Steele was on the show last week here, and did –
and Paul Ryan did make a strong statement, but is it too late as they
allowed this to grow, because we`re talking about this birther movement for
years.

RYE: Yes, and they`re speaking out of both sides of their mouth. So the
same Michael Steele that they`re putting out here now is the same Michael
Steele that the party fired, I think it had everything to do with his
blackness. This is the same party who just mentioned Marco Rubio. Marco
Rubio in that same press conference said this was also President Obama`s
fault. If you`re speaking out of both sides of your mouth that`s not real
leadership and is also very confusing to a very angry base.

SHARPTON: All right. Well, Jay, thank you for joining us. Jay Newton-
Small, Robert Traynham and, of course, Angela Rye. Thank you up for your
time this morning.

We will be right back.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: Sounds like you have a couple of protesters back there. The hell
with them. Do you see this? Just disruptors. Bad people. We`re going to
take our country back from these people. We`re going to take it back.
Bernie doesn`t inspire. It`s a little group that want a free lunch.
That`s all it is.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SHARPTON: That was Donald Trump on Saturday, after the unrest in Chicago.
He had a chance to tone down his rhetoric. But he didn`t do it. He
decided if anything to keep going the same way. My mother used to tell me,
when she would counsel me, you can`t plant orange seeds and grow apples.
It was her way of explaining the biblical passage that a man`s sows he
shall reap. You can`t keep planting the seeds of discord, planting the
seeds of division, planting ugly seeds, and not expect them to grow.

I don`t agree with any violence. I don`t agree with stopping people from
their right to assemble. But protests, and standing up, is an American
right. It should be done with dignity. It should be done nonviolently.
But clearly, Donald, if you`re listening, it will be done as long as you
offend people`s religions, birth rights, and in many ways, their
nationalities.

That does it for me. Thanks for watching. And, keep the conversation
going. Like us at facebook.com/politicsnation, and follow us on twitter
@politicsnation.

I`ll see you back here next Sunday. Kate Snow picks up our coverage from
Miami right after this.

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