Beto O’Rourke Town Hall. TRANSCRIPT: 10/30/2018, Hardball w Chris Matthews.

Guests:
Beto O`Rourke
Transcript:

Show: HARDBALL
Date: October 30, 2018
Guest: Beto O`Rourke

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

NARRATOR (voice-over): One week from today, Americans head to the polls
for a historic election that will determine the balance of power in
Congress.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I`m not on the ballot, but,
in a certain way, I`m on the ballot.

NARRATOR: It will either create a check on President Trump`s power or
embolden him.

TRUMP: I`m really looking to make America great again.

NARRATOR: And it could all come down to Texas.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: Do we defend freedom, or do we give in to
tyranny?

NARRATOR: Ted Cruz has the backing of his former bitter rival.

TRUMP: He`s not Lyin` Ted anymore. He`s beautiful Ted.

NARRATOR: But Democratic upstart Beto O`Rourke has caught fire.

REP. BETO O`ROURKE (D-TX), SENATORIAL CANDIDATE: I can think of anything
anymore American than to peacefully stand up or take a knee for your
rights.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

NARRATOR: Raising tons of cash and running neck and neck.

O`ROURKE: He`s dishonest. That`s why the president called him lying Ted.
And it`s why the nickname stuck.

NARRATOR: In a state that hasn`t elected a Democratic senator for a
quarter of a century, tonight, the rising star of the party takes center
stage.

O`ROURKE: You have inspired me.

NARRATOR: What are his plans for Texas?

O`ROURKE: The least insured state in the country could take the lead on
guaranteed high-quality universal health care.

NARRATOR: Can he pull off an upset in the Lone Star State?

O`ROURKE: We, the people of Texas, are making something extraordinary
happen.

NARRATOR: And is this all a step to a White House run in 2020?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: The Hardball College Tour With Beto O`Rourke live
from the University of Houston.

Let`s play HARDBALL.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: Beto.

O`ROURKE: How are you?

MATTHEWS: Beto O`Rourke.

O`ROURKE: Yes.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: Whose house?

AUDIENCE: Coogs House!

MATTHEWS: Coogs House!

O`ROURKE: That`s right.

MATTHEWS: Did you learn that? That`s how we talk here at the University
of Houston.

I want to get to a lot of things about you, where you come from, how you
got your nickname and all – nickname.

But let`s talk about the news tonight and what`s happened this past week.
Some people see a connection about the president`s rhetoric about invasions
and things like that and the horrors of the last week.

By the horrors, I mean the bombs being dropped at the media doorstep. I`m
talking about two African-American guys being shot dead. I`m talking about
the attack on that synagogue in Pittsburgh.

The atmospherics – how much is this president responsible for those
atmospherics?

O`ROURKE: The invitation to hate openly, unapologetically, to call Mexican
immigrants rapists and criminals, to call asylum seekers animals, an
infestation, to describe white nationalists, Klansmen, neo-Nazis as very
fine people, that has certainly contributed to the environment that we see
in this country at this moment.

The challenge, though, is not to assess blame, but to try to lead by
example. That`s what I see here in Houston, the most diverse city in the
United States of America.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: That`s what I see in the people of Texas.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: And understanding that our very strength is premised that we are
from all over the world.

And we have come together here in the greatest nation that the world has
ever known. We`re going to shine through right now at this moment of
division, this moment of polarization, this moment of smallness and
pettiness and meanness.

We`re going to come through with our courage, with our confidence, with our
strength. I know that because I have traveled the state. I have been with
everyone. That`s what Texas wants to do right now. I`m very confident
that, on November 6, you`re going to see that in action.

MATTHEWS: We have seen leaders during times of great stress in this
country and horror and tragedy.

Bobby Kennedy, for example, after Dr. King was killed, that night, he
walked into Indianapolis, and he talked to a black community. And he
appealed to them to understand common humanity and to try to get past this.

Do you think, if Trump acted like that, the country would be different?
Can he act like that? Is he capable of it personally?

O`ROURKE: I don`t think he`s capable of it. But that doesn`t have to
limit who we are as a people.

We are more than the president of the United States, the current occupant
of the White House. I know that from traveling the state and finding
Republicans who may have voted for Trump who don`t approve of this kind of
behavior, this kind of rhetoric…

MATTHEWS: Right.

O`ROURKE: … that we`re seeing nationally.

I see people who want to be defined not by our fears, not who we`re
supposed to be scared of, but by our ambitions, our aspirations, the great
things that we still want to do.

This idea of walls or banning all people based on their religion…

MATTHEWS: Yes.

O`ROURKE: … or the press as the enemy of the people, or tearing kids
away from their parents at their most vulnerable or desperate moment,
that`s not us. That`s not the United States of America.

But in a democracy, where the people are the government and the government
is the people, it`s on every single one of us to make that change. This
election, on the 6th of November, is our chance to do that.

And if the early voter turnout is any indication, the people of Texas are
standing up to be counted and to make this change right now.

MATTHEWS: I just talked on the phone an hour ago to Congressman Joe
Kennedy of Massachusetts, the grandson of Robert Kennedy.

And he said that what separates you from other politicians he knows is that
you basically don`t worry about polls. You don`t ask about opinion
surveys. You don`t check out how people are – where their heads are
going.

He said you have a faith in the goodness of the American people – explain
– to do the right thing.

O`ROURKE: Yes.

Our only poll is visiting the 254 counties of Texas, having town halls all
over the place, never discriminating based on party affiliation or who you
last voted for, for president, finding out how you want to come together
and decide the future of this country.

It`s been the most inspiring, the most hopeful, the most thrilling, the
most optimistic journey of my life, to be with the people of Texas all over
the state of Texas.

When you add to that having the courage of your convictions, never taking a
poll to find out where you fall on an issue, not needing a weatherman to
know which way the wind blows, you can say who you are. And the people
know that.

And if we owe those who will decide this election anything, it is our
candor, it is our beliefs, it is listening to them and reflecting their
stories out on the campaign trail and the service that we want to provide
in the Senate.

MATTHEWS: You know, over the weekend, the president had an opportunity to
do something like that.

We had the horror at that synagogue, 11 people killed. A religious killing
really was what it was. It was like out of the Middle Ages kind of thing
or the worst part of the 20th century.

The president went right out on the stump, right on stirring things up
again, blaming everything on a congresswoman from California, or Nancy
Pelosi, getting the – why do you think he thinks that`s a winner? Because
he must think that`s going to do something for him, stirring it up.

O`ROURKE: I don`t know why he thinks that.

It`s up to us, the people, to decide if it is a winning strategy, to blame
the press, to blame migrants and refugees, to blame others.

MATTHEWS: It got him elected.

O`ROURKE: Yes, it may have contributed to his election.

But it`s up to us to decide who we are. There`s this great line from Harry
Truman, that the American people are founded not on fear, but on courage,
on imagination, an unstoppable determination to do the job at hand.

I think that still describes us. I believe our best days are yet ahead,
that we don`t have to return to some form of greatness. We don`t have to
literally physically, through 2,000 miles of wall, separate ourselves from
the rest of the world.

MATTHEWS: Yes.

O`ROURKE: We don`t have to renege on our agreements, on our values, on the
alliances that we have fought for and established and secured over the last
80 years.

All of that is happening during this administration. That can either define
us for the generations to come, or what we choose to do now, at this
defining midterm election, that might be how we are known for the people of
the future, the kids, the grandkids, those kids and grandkids of
generations yet unborn, who will read about us, the people of 2018.

And they will say, in the face of all this smallness, and all this fear,
and all this paranoia, these people stood up, they were counted, they did
the right thing at the moment that history was calling for them.

I love that I get to be a part of this and that so many young people,
especially at this defining moment of truth, are getting up. They`re
leading right now on any issue that you could care about, whether it`s
access to health care, affordability of higher education, meeting the
existential challenge of climate change, or ensuring that every dreamer,
more than a million-strong in this country, no longer has to fear
deportation because they`re made U.S. citizens here in this country,
continuing to make it the greatest place on the planet.

That`s what I hear from the people of Texas, especially the young people of
Texas.

MATTHEWS: You mentioned Harry Truman, who was the first president to
integrate U.S. military services. He really did – had the guts to do the
right thing. He brought all the units together, all those groups together,
races.

This president is talking about getting rid of the 14th Amendment
effectively. He wants to get rid of birthright citizenship. So if you`re
born in this country, under his hoped decree, you won`t be an American.

What do you make of that? That`s today, he`s talking about that.

O`ROURKE: Interesting that he drops this proposal with a week to go until
the November 6 election.

MATTHEWS: What is he playing to?

O`ROURKE: Interesting that he tries to stoke paranoia and fear about a
group of migrants who are still hundreds of miles, weeks away from the
U.S.-Mexico border, if they even make it this far.

I think he`s trying to play upon the worst impulses of this country,
instead of speaking to our ambitions, our hopes, our dreams, those things
that we can achieve if we all come together.

MATTHEWS: Right.

O`ROURKE: So, I don`t know what he`s trying to do.

I just know the task left to us, which is to be the answer to that. Our
courage, our confidence, our strength, that has to define us going forward.
And it`s up to us.

And I love that we have the chance to do it. And I love all of the
excitement, the enthusiasm, the energy that we`re seeing out on the trail
right now. It bodes very well for our answer to this moment.

MATTHEWS: And, on the record, for the record, you oppose amending the
United States Constitution, removing the 14th Amendment and the birthright
citizenship?

O`ROURKE: Absolutely, I do, yes.

MATTHEWS: OK. Thank you.

We`re going to take a question, a lot of student questions tonight.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: Well, the first questioner is from this university, a student
who has got a question about our borders, very much on topic.

Andrea, go ahead with your question.

ANDREA OROZCO, STUDENT: Hi, Congressman O`Rourke, it`s a pleasure to be
here before you.

As one border native to another, I would just like to ask you how you`re
going to address the issue of militarizing the border.

O`ROURKE: Yes.

This idea, Andrea, that we could send 5,000 U.S. service members to the
border and somehow stop migrants, refugees, asylum seekers fleeing the most
dangerous countries in the hemisphere, or that we could build a 2,000-mile
wall, at a cost of $30 billion, where we`d have to take someone`s ranch or
farm or property through the use of eminent domain to build something that
we don`t need, at a time of record security and safety for border
communities like mine in El Paso, perhaps yours, wherever you are on the
border, it`s ridiculous.

And it`s again this idea, we can be governed by our fears, and then we are
a very small people. Or we can be known by our ambitions. Remember the
proud heritage of this defining immigrant story, state and experience that
is Texas. That`s who we are.

We can share with our friends and our colleagues in the Senate El Paso is
one of the safest cities in the United States of America, not in spite of,
but because we are a city of immigrants.

(CHEERING)

O`ROURKE: People left their hometown, their family, their comfort, their
culture, their country to come here, start anew, as strangers in a strange
land.

(SPEAKING SPANISH)

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: Gracias, Andrea.

MATTHEWS: Thank you.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: I want to follow up with that, because a lot of people on both
sides of the immigration issue have been very passionate.

But I went direction here. In 2013, the United States Senate did something
remarkable. They passed a comprehensive bill on immigration. It had
opportunities for a path to citizenship. It was rigorous, but it was real.
It was doable for a person who is not documented.

They also had enforcement on it, E-Verify. You couldn`t hire people
illegally. It really was a comprehensive bill.

And because of that, I think, or – 12 Republicans supported it, people
like John McCain and Corker and Ted Kennedy on the Democratic side.

It had a really good bipartisan – what did the Republicans do? The
speaker of the House refused to bring it up as a vote.

O`ROURKE: That`s right.

MATTHEWS: If – had that bill come up in the House of Representatives,
where you were serving, would you voted for it?

O`ROURKE: I would have worked with my colleagues to improve it, so that I
could have voted for it.

MATTHEWS: What didn`t you like about it?

O`ROURKE: Well, to Andrea`s question, it had a significant militarization
of the border.

Now, if you live in Massachusetts or New York, and you`re going to put up
walls and double the size of the Border Patrol, from 20,000 agents today to
40,000 agents tomorrow, if you`re going to change the quality of life for
those of us who live in McAllen, or Eagle Pass, or El Paso, or Del Rio,
that`s something that`s important to us.

I wanted to make sure that my voice…

MATTHEWS: Right.

O`ROURKE: … those constituents that I represent in El Paso were heard.

And I`m confident that we could have improved that legislation.

MATTHEWS: And passed it?

O`ROURKE: And – yes, and moved forward.

That`s – that`s the essence of our democracy, compromise, consensus,
common ground.

MATTHEWS: OK.

By the way, I have got to challenge the president on this. You`re the
expert on this. But this thing about bringing 5,000 soldiers – soldiers
have no authorization to be engaged with border – what are they going to
do down there?

They`re not letting – let alone shoot anybody, like they`re talking.

O`ROURKE: Right.

MATTHEWS: But they say they won`t do. Oh, we won`t shoot anybody now.

I mean, what are they doing there?

(CROSSTALK)

O`ROURKE: First of all, it – I think it dishonors the service of those
Border Patrol agents, those…

MATTHEWS: Yes.

O`ROURKE: … men and women who are serving on the line right now, 20,000-
strong, who are doing an incredible job.

Let`s get their back. I don`t know that we need to send 5,000 service
members. During the Clinton administration, there was an effort to
militarize the border. A young Marine tragically shot a young U.S.
citizen, 17-year-old goat herder named Esequiel Hernandez, in the back.

MATTHEWS: Right.

O`ROURKE: Thought – thought he was coming over to this country to do
something wrong. That service member was not trained the way that the
Border Patrol agents are trained. He was trained for war.

So, let`s make sure that we understand what could happen. Let`s make sure
that we understand the relative safety of the border right now. And let`s
come up with commonsense, bipartisan solutions to better secure that
border, our communities, and our state.

But it won`t happen through walls and militarization.

MATTHEWS: Stick around. We have much more to come from our live HARDBALL
College Tour at the University of Houston with Beto O`Rourke.

This is HARDBALL.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: Welcome back to HARDBALL.

That was the NBC song played by the University of Houston Band.

Anyway, we`re back in Houston, Texas, at the University of Houston.

Let`s take some more questions from the audience.

Bola (ph) is a student up front.

Bola, tell us – well, ask your questions.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello, Representative O`Rourke.

So, how – considering the hyperpartisan political atmosphere in Congress,
how do you feel you would conduct yourselves among members of your own
party and of the other party as well?

O`ROURKE: Bola, thank you for the question.

I think the example that we`re trying to set in this campaign, going to
every one of the 254 counties of Texas, no matter how blue or no matter how
red, going to King County – the county seat there, Guthrie, I think they
voted for Donald Trump 96 percent in the last election, I think you would
also agree every bit as deserving of our respect, of being heard, of being
listened to, of being fought for, of being served, of being represented.

No one will be written off, and no one will be taken for granted. We`re
showing up, not just in every county, but every community within every
county.

And then, over the last six years that I have had the privilege of serving
El Paso in Congress, the only way that I have gotten anything meaningful
done is by working with my Republican colleagues across the aisle, never
allowing the perfect to become the enemy of the good, ensuring that we find
consensus, common ground, to make that common cause, to do the common good,
expanding mental health care access for veterans, improving security and
the flow of trade at our ports of entry, protecting public lands in the
Chihuahuan Desert.

This is a way that we get things done. And, when we see each other not as
Republicans or Democrats, but as Americans, as Texans, as human beings, I`m
confident that there`s no stopping us.

So, that`s the way that I want to serve you in the United States Senate.

Thank you, Bola, for the question. Appreciate it.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: The next question is Rachel, Rachel on the Second Amendment.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: Hey, Rachel.

RACHEL CLARK, STUDENT: Hi, Representative O`Rourke. Can`t wait until we
can call you Senator O`Rourke.

O`ROURKE: Right on.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: Thank you.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

CLARK: What`s your stance on the Second Amendment? And how do you think
Texas can tackle the epidemic of mass shootings and gun violence we see
happening across the nation, especially in terms of minority people who are
particularly affected by this?

O`ROURKE: Yes.

I strongly support and want to protect the Second Amendment. And I also
think it`s a great opportunity for Texas to lead it.

Tell me a state that has a prouder, longer, richer heritage of responsible
gun ownership for hunting, for self-protection, for collection, for sport,
for what have you. By and large, we do it responsibly.

What better state, then, to lead the national conversation on how we
protect more lives in our state and the other states of the union?

We lose 30,000 of our fellow Americans to gun violence every year. No
other developed country comes even close. So we can either reach the
conclusion that there`s something wrong with us, inherently bad, maybe even
evil, and we should just accept this as a force of nature, or we understand
that there is a human solution to a human-caused problem.

One step where I find a lot of common ground amongst gun owners and non-gun
owners, Republicans and Democrats alike is universal background checks.

In those states that have adopted them, we have seen a near 50 percent
reduction in significant gun violence, fewer police officers and sheriff`s
deputies being shot by those they`re sworn to serve and protect, fewer
girlfriends and boyfriends being killed by a loved one.

Let`s at least take that first step and make sure that we protect more
lives within our lives.

Then there are other steps that we can take going forward, when we listen
to one another. And that`s what we`re doing in this campaign, because we
have not accepted a single dime from the NRA or any other political action
committee or special interest.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: When we listen to each other, instead of the special interests,
we can lead on the issues that are most important to Texas and the country.

Thank you for your question.

MATTHEWS: This is a professor, Professor Summer Harlow, with a question
about the media.

SUMMER HARLOW, ASSISTANT PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF HOUSTON: Yes, thank you.

I`m wondering, given the anti-media, anti-free press rhetoric that is so
prevalent right now, what would you as U.S. senator do to ensure the press
is protected, journalists are protected, and that they can continue to
serve as watchdogs for democracy?

O`ROURKE: Yes, this idea fronted by the president that somehow the press
are the enemy of the people, reinforced by him tweeting out images of a
reporter being hit by a train, body-slammed in a wrestling ring, is
incitement to violence. I don`t know any other way to call it.

That undermines an essential pillar of the American democracy; 242 years in
to this audacious experiment that is the exception, not the rule in world
history, that we can freely choose those who represent us and guide the
course and direction that this country will take, if we don`t have a free
press, if we cannot make informed decisions at the ballot box, if you can`t
hold people like me accountable, and make sure that we`re held honest to
the promises that we made, to the job that we`re performing in these
positions of public trust, we will lose the very essence of our democracy.

Nothing guarantees us a 243rd or a 244th year, unless of us stand up for
the institutions that make us so strong in the first place.

So, I think we need to vigorously defend the freedom of the press. We need
to call out violations, not just in this country, in countries like Mexico,
one of the most dangerous places to be a journalist, the killing of
Khashoggi by the Saudi Arabian government. There has to be consequence,
there has to be accountability, there has to be justice.

This is our chance to lead on the most important issues to our democracy
and to freedom around the world.

Thank you for the question.

MATTHEWS: Thank you.

O`ROURKE: Appreciate it.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: We`re taking a break.

O`ROURKE: Yes.

MATTHEWS: Thank you.

We will be right back with more questions for Senator – well, candidate
Beto O`Rourke.

You`re watching HARDBALL.

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MATTHEWS: Welcome back to HARDBALL, live from Texas at the University of
Houston, with U.S. Congressman Beto O`Rourke.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: I was reminded by the head of our network that a lot of people
in the country don`t know you as well as these people know you, so I have
to help you introduce you now to the world a little bit.

Your name is Robert Francis O`Rourke. How come? Was that Bobby Kennedy?
Was that an inspiration?

(LAUGHTER)

O`ROURKE: No. So…

MATTHEWS: Robert Francis.

O`ROURKE: My grandfather on my mom`s side was Robert Lee Williams. I was
named after him.

On my dad`s side – my dad`s Pat Francis O`Rourke, son of John Francis
O`Rourke, son of James Francis O`Rourke.

And so, naturally, I was Robert Francis O`Rourke, RFO.

My son, my oldest born is Ulysses, UFO, Ulysses Francis O`Rourke.

(LAUGHTER)

O`ROURKE: And, at a very early age, right from the get-go, I was called
Beto, which is a nickname in El Paso, perhaps for some in Houston, but
along the border.

If you`re named Robert, Albert, Gilbert, Umberto, your nickname is Beto.

MATTHEWS: Umberto. Beto.

O`ROURKE: And so I was Beto from day one, yes.

MATTHEWS: I want to ask you about something about your opponent in this
race and the president.

President Trump has called – let me get this straight, because I wrote
this down – he`s called Ted Cruz a maniac, unstable, and a liar.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: OK?

Senator Cruz has called President Trump a sniveling coward and a
braggadocios buffoon.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: Where are you on all this?

(LAUGHTER)

O`ROURKE: That is some colorful language.

You know, I`m staying focused on Texas.

MATTHEWS: Yes. You don`t have an opinion on either side of this.

O`ROURKE: No.

And from the beginning, we decided we would not run against anybody, and we
wouldn`t run against anything. We wouldn`t run against another political
party.

MATTHEWS: OK.

O`ROURKE: And we wanted to run for the future of the country.

MATTHEWS: Well, Trump`s running against you. And he calls you a total
lightweight, and you will never be allowed to turn Texas into Venezuela.

I know that was on your plan.

(LAUGHTER)

O`ROURKE: Yes. There goes that plan, yes.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: What do you make of a president of the United States who stoops
low enough to go after a Senate candidate, calls him a total – well, he`s
called other people low-I.Q., Lyin` Ted, low-energy – low-energy Jeb.

O`ROURKE: Right.

MATTHEWS: Yours is total lightweight.

O`ROURKE: Right.

MATTHEWS: How do you feel for that? Does it weigh well on you, or what?

O`ROURKE: I have lost about 20 pounds over the course of this campaign.

(LAUGHTER)

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: I just – I don`t see any benefit in engaging with him at that
level.

I will work with him. And we have. He signed into law legislation that I
worked with, with Republican colleagues to expand mental health care
access. Worked on the defense bill with his administration.

Really loved the secretary of the VA, David Shulkin, that he had before the
current one. I`m getting to know the current one.

But there are places where we can find some common ground, and let`s…

MATTHEWS: You and the president?

O`ROURKE: Absolutely.

MATTHEWS: Give me one.

O`ROURKE: And we will work him any time, anywhere.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: Give me.

O`ROURKE: Oh, but we have also got to stand up to him where we must.

MATTHEWS: Give me an example.

O`ROURKE: So, I mentioned that legislation to expand mental health care
for veterans.

MATTHEWS: He`s for that? He`s for that?

O`ROURKE: Absolutely.

And I think he`s really made a commitment to veterans. Again, his former
VA secretary is one of the best I ever served with, the first VA secretary
in the history of the VA to make reducing suicide his number one clinical
priority.

We lose 20 veterans a day – and that`s a conservative estimate – every
single day, by their own hand…

MATTHEWS: Yes, I know. I know.

O`ROURKE: … the majority of whom have not been able to get into a VA or,
for whatever reason, did not go to a VA.

By focusing on it, calling it out, providing the resources necessary to
connect those veterans to care, we`re going to save more lives. And so I`m
grateful that the president had nominated him. The Senate confirmed him
100-0. And that was a partner with whom we could work.

But if you take it from our perspective in Texas, these trade policies, for
example, these tariffs on these cotton growers, on the pecan growers, on
cattle ranchers, we feed and clothe,through the food and fiber that we
grow, so much of the world right now.

MATTHEWS: Yes.

O`ROURKE: And so much of the world`s markets are going to start closing
down to what we produce in Texas, unless we can get this right.

We need a senator who can get through to the president or stand up to him,
if that`s the only way to get this done, to make sure that we protect the
livelihood and the resources that we have here in this state, not to
mention some of that really hateful rhetoric that we – that we started out
with.

MATTHEWS: Yes.

O`ROURKE: We need not just to be against that. We need to offer the
positive example of our communities, this diverse city that we are here in
Houston, the things that we`re proud of, the examples by which we want to
lead.

MATTHEWS: A lot of people here are students. And you get to vote at 18.
So a lot of them got to vote the first time when they`re sophomores, even
freshmen maybe. And they will get to vote again before they`re out of
school.

You have been voting since you were 18. Did you ever make a mistake? Did
you ever vote for the wrong person?

O`ROURKE: Oh.

MATTHEWS: Think.

O`ROURKE: Yes.

You know, I…

MATTHEWS: You`re perfect in your voting record?

O`ROURKE: Yes, well…

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: You know I have problems with some of my votes. But you don`t
have any problems?

O`ROURKE: So, school board trustees, city council members, county
commissioners, members of Congress, presidential nominees, I mean, I have
voted for them all.

I`m sure, if I went back through, I could probably find somebody I wish I
had not voted for. No one comes to mind.

But I will tell you, I never regret the fact that I voted.

MATTHEWS: Yes.

O`ROURKE: I love the fact that, in this country, again, not the rule in
the world, the envy of much of the rest of the planet, we get to do this.

(APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: And my folks just brought us up that, listen, this is your
responsibility. Get informed. Make sure what you`re doing, then go into
that ballot box and pull the lever.

MATTHEWS: Do you think going into the war in Iraq was a mistake?

O`ROURKE: Yes.

MATTHEWS: Thank you. That`s all I need to know.

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: Thank you.

We`re going to be right back with more student questions, a lot of student
questions, at the University of Houston.

We will be right back.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: Welcome back to the HARDBALL College Tour at the University of
Houston with Beto O`Rourke.

And Alex is – we`re going to have a bunch of questions, a lightning round
coming up for the congressmen.

Alex is a student here at the university and has a question about
education.

There you go, Alex.

ALEX PRIETO-RIVERO, STUDENT: Good evening, Congressman.

O`ROURKE: Evening.

PRIETO-RIVERO: I have a question about education and how you plan on
making it more affordable for lower-income families.

O`ROURKE: So, first of all, I want to make sure that pre-K through 12 is
fully funded.

That means schoolteachers in Texas, nearly half of whom are working a
second or third job, that we decide that we`re going to pay them a living
wage, so that they can fully focus on those kids in front of them, not on
high-stakes, high-pressure standardized tests.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: Then I want to make sure that we make an investment in people
and communities.

That means ensuring that, at least in the first two years of your education
here at the University of Houston, or Lone Star Community College for your
associate`s degree, you do not take on any debt.

That`s not inexpensive. It`s going to require an investment. But we can
decide that we`re going to make investments in corporations and special
interests and tax breaks to the wealthy, or that we`re going to invest in
you. And I want to invest in you.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: Thanks again.

MATTHEWS: Kirby (ph) – Kirby has a question about climate change.

Kirby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi.

Following the recent U.N. report that we only have 12 years to reverse the
effects of climate change, what will you do as senator to ensure the
sustainability of our planet?

O`ROURKE: Tell me a community that understands climate change better than
Houston.

(LAUGHTER)

O`ROURKE: Last year, 58 inches of rain, a landfall record for as long as
we have been keeping them in the continental United States, the third 500-
year flood in just the last five years.

By my math, we should be good for 1,500 years, but the scientists – if
we`re still going to listen to the scientists – tell us that those floods
are only going to become more frequent storms like Harvey only more
damaging. We won`t be worried about rebuilding after the next one. We
won`t be worried about whether we can live here at all.

If this planet cooks another degree and a half Celsius, the train is off
the tracks. We`re not going to be able to get it back. The good news is,
there`s still time for us to lead. We`re an energy-producing state, and
I`m proud of that.

We can do so, however, in a far more responsible way. Set the bar a little
bit higher. Allow the ingenuity and the innovation of the energy companies
headquartered here in Houston to meet that challenge and the bar and then
seize the lead that Texas already has in renewable energy.

We`re number one in country in the generation of wind power. We can create
the kind of jobs and economic growth that we need today to make sure that
we deliver on our obligations to the days to come. Texas can lead.

Thank you for the question.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC HOST: Patricia has a question on women`s rights to
choose.

PATRICIA RUNNING, STUDENT: Hi. My question is about: what is your plan to
make sure women will continue to have the right to choose what happens to
their own bodies?

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: This is a state that since 2011 has shut down more than a
quarter of its family planning clinics, made it that much harder for women
to get a cervical planning screening or family planning help or see a
doctor at all. Not unrelated to the fact that we are now at the epicenter
of a maternal mortality crisis, three times as deadly for women of color.

So when I talk about leading the way on guaranteed high quality universal
health care, I`m also talking about health care meaning every woman makes
her own decisions about her own body and has access to the health care that
allows her to do that. That means that Texas leads on one of the defining
health care issues of our day. And we go from being one of the worst, one
of the deadliest places to be a woman to one of the best in the country.
It will take your leadership and mine coming together to get that done.

Thank you.

I believe in a women`s right to choose.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: Ryan has a question now about reaching out to Republicans –
Ryan.

RYAN LOPEZ, PROFESSIONAL BANKER: Thank you, sir.

I`m a proud Democrat, Republican co-workers, friends and families who are
on the fence. I failed to convince them but maybe you can. What would you
tell a moderate conservative to have them joined Team Beto?

O`ROURKE: First, I would share with them the son of a Republican mother
whom we have convinced to vote for me in this election. I know it can be
done.

I mentioned earlier anything of any confidence that I`ve been a part of I
have done by reaching across the aisle compromising, finding consensus and
moving forward. I`ve campaigned in every county never discriminating based
on party affiliation or who you voted for last time for president.

And every single month in El Paso as a member of Congress, I hold an open
town hall meeting. All comers welcome. No holds barred.

I fear my constituents in a healthy way. They`re going to hold me
accountable, keep me honest, bring the best ideas forward. And I don`t
care. If they`re Republicans or Democrats or independents, I just want to
make sure that I do a great job for them.

That`s what I want to do for you, for those folks that you`re talking
about. I want to make sure that every voice is heard, every single person
is represented. Your party affiliation doesn`t matter in the slightest to
me. Thank you for asking.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: Congressman, do you have any – you`ve been serving for a number
of years. How many – what`s it like to deal with the other side of the
aisle now? Do you have, first of all, honest real friends on the other
side of the aisle? Republican Congress people?

O`ROURKE: Yes. I, last year, traveled across the country with Congressman
Will Hurd, though he`s a Republican, I`m a Democrat. Our flights had been
snowed in. We didn`t know how we were going to get to D.C. to vote. We
were in San Antonio visiting a V.A. hospital.

We were able to find a way to rent a Chevy Impala and drive 36 hours cross-
country, live streaming 29 hours of it straight, talking not just about
policy, although that was helpful, but also developing a real friendship
and bond.

MATTHEWS: Allegheny College which bestows the civility prize every year
awarded it to Ruth Bader Ginsberg and a family of Antonin Scalia, Joe
Biden, and John McCain. This year presented it to the two of us, perhaps
because we can serve as an example of what we want to see more of in this
country.

When we got to D.C., each of us joined the other`s legislation. He wrote a
bill that helps service members transition into law enforcement careers in
their communities. I had written an immigration bill that I desperately
needed Republican support on if we were going to have any chance of moving
it forward.

Both of us were able to trust one another. We knew that our first priority
was not to defeat the other, or make them look bad. We trust another, one
another, and that trust is the basis of any productive relationship. So,
I`d love to see more of that in D.C., and build more relationships like
that one.

MATTHEWS: Good for you.

Let`s go – don`t go anywhere. We got more coming back with Senate
candidate Beto O`Rourke (INAUDIBLE).

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MATTHEWS: Welcome back to HARDBALL live at the University of Houston with
Beto O`Rourke.

You know every question is serious and this one is only serious to, well,
Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz when at college – he was at law school refused to
study with anyone who didn`t go to the following schools. We wouldn`t –
if they hadn`t gone to Harvard, Yale or Princeton, he wouldn`t study with
them at law school because they were below his I.Q., I guess.

You went to Columbia. How do you like being treated as a safety school?

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: What do you make of this guy?

O`ROURKE: I was lucky to have gone there. Grateful to my parents who
helped me out. Had a work study job, every year, student loans, grants.
Got a world class education.

But the best decision I ever made was to come back to Texas after that and
start a small business in El Paso. Ultimately the good fortune of meeting
Amy, my wife now for a little more than 13 years, and we`re raising
Ulysses, Molly and Henry.

MATTHEWS: You met her at Columbia.

O`ROURKE: No, she`s a little bit younger than I am. We met on a blind
date in El Paso before Tinder and took her over the bridge to Ciudad
Suarez, her sister city.

MATTHEWS: Yes.

O`ROURKE: Had a margarita at the Kentucky Club and we just really hit it
off. And I told that story to folks to kind of remind them of the bi-
national nature of the U.S./Mexico border. Cities like Ciudad Juarez and
El Paso, we`re really one community. And it`s beautiful. It`s nothing to
be ashamed of, defensive about or to wall off. It`s part of who we are.
It`s our story.

MATTHEWS: Question from Erica.

ERICA REY, GRADUATE STUDENT: Hello, Congressman O`Rourke.

How invested are you of protecting the rights of LGBTQ citizens especially
at the time when even the legitimacy of transgender identities is being
denied by few in power?

O`ROURKE: Very dedicated. I`m co-sponsor of –

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: – the Equality Act in Congress which ensures full civil rights.
And, you know, you may know this. Others in Texas may not, but in this
state though it is not okay, it is perfectly legal for you to be fired
based on your sexual orientation.


In this state, though we have 30,000 kids in the foster care system, in
child protective services until recently was so underfunded and undermanned
that you had kids at CPS offices sleeping under and on top of the desks.
In Texas, by law, you can be too gay to adopt one of those kids into your
loving household.

We need a senator who`s going to stand up for the full civil rights of
every single American regardless of who you love and what your sexual
orientation is. So, grateful for the question and grateful for the
opportunity for Texas to stand up for everybody.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: We`re going to be right back with more questions for the
students at University of Houston.

Oh, we`ve got Matilda here. I thought you were done.

Matilda, your question please.

MATILDA DAO, STUDENT: Good evening, Congressman. I was just wondering,
how many hours of sleep do you get per night?

(LAUGHTER)

O`ROURKE: We are averaging somewhere between four and six. As you all may
know fueled by the fine food at Whataburger for –

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: But you know what? Driven by people by you, the example and the
inspiration you provide, all of these amazing volunteers, all of these
folks getting after it right now deciding the election of our lifetimes.
I`ve never been more energized, more electrified, more thrilled than I am
at this point. So, thank you for being a big part of this. Grateful.
Yes.

MATTHEWS: We`ll be right back with the HARDBALL college tour at the
University of Houston.

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

MATTHEWS: Welcome back to the HARDBALL tour, for the college tour at the
University of Houston with Beto O`Rourke, who`s running in a real hot race
for U.S. Senate.

Let me ask you about the Democratic Party today and what`s going on with
it. The latest polling by NBC and “Wall Street Journal” shows that a
majority, 52 percent of people went to college and graduated are
Republicans and a majority of people, again, 52 percent, the people who
didn`t get to go to college and graduate are Republicans.

Now what happened to that cultural, that class shift? When I was growing
up and most of my life, the Democratic Party was proudly the party of
working people, the people that didn`t get the breaks. Now, the Democratic
Party seems to be reflective of people with educations, with the culture of
kind of, what, elitism in some cases. What went wrong? What needs to be
corrected if it does?

O`ROURKE: You know, I think the influence of PACs, of special interests,
of corporations has been profound and it has disconnected office holders,
candidates from the people that they want to serve. I`ll give you an
example. This is why –

MATTHEWS: So, they pander to the rich?

O`ROURKE: Absolutely.

MATTHEWS: OK.

O`ROURKE: I`ll give you an example. We were in Silverton, Texas. And I
was talking about how 50 percent of rural Texas does not have access to
broadband Internet.

And before I could finish my sentence, this gentleman stands up in the
library in Silverton, and he says, I`m old enough to remember being in
first grade in 1938 when Lyndon Baines Johnson, then a member of Congress,
and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the president, announced they were going to
electrify our community through the rural electrification. They wanted me
in first grade to be able to read by electric light just like the big kids
could in the big cities around here.

You can better – he said, you better believe every day after that my dad
was a yellow dog Democrat. In other words, Democrats used to show up for
us in rural communities.

MATTHEWS: Yes.

O`ROURKE: They used to invest in people, in communities, in our day-to-day
lives. I think there are too many who are too beholden to the special
interests right now. We`ve got to return to people.

MATTHEWS: Well said. Thank you.

O`ROURKE: Yes.

(APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: Let me go – let`s go to Andrew. First question.

ANDREW JOHNSON, STUDENT: Good evening, congressman. What I want to know
from you is what do you think about celebrities who are talking about
politics lately like how Queen (ph), Taylor Swift talked about how people
should be voting and how she supported Phil Bredesen in Tennessee?

O`ROURKE: Hey, listen, great thing about a democracy is everyone gets to
participate. Everyone has a voice here.

The challenge for us in Texas is we rank 50th out of 50 states in voter
turnout. Not by accident, not by design. This is on purpose. This is
some people being drawn out of congressional districts.

The court said four times last year solely based on their race, on their
ethnicity, we`re the most gerrymandered state in the Union. We`ve got to
change that. We`ve got to change the system by which we draw these
congressional districts. But before we can do that, we`ve got to win these
elections.

So, transcending those barriers, reaching out to everyone through whatever
means possible is the way to do this. For me, it`s showing up everywhere.
I`m not as concerned about what the celebrities think. I`m really
concerned about what you think and that`s why this is our second or third
visit to the University of Houston so far. I want to be where the action
is, where those who are going to decide the election and the future of this
country are. So, thank you for being here. Appreciate it.

(APPLAUSE)

MATTHEWS: OK. Thank you. We`re out of time.

O`ROURKE: All right.

MATTHEWS: Congressman, thank you. Thank you, U.S. Congressman Beto
O`Rourke and to everyone at the University of Houston, thank you!

(CHEERS AND APPLAUSE)

O`ROURKE: Thank you!

MATTHEWS: “ALL IN WITH CHRIS HAYES” starts right now.


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