Seth Meyers TRANSCRIPT: 4/22/20, All in w/ Chris Hayes
BRIAN WILLIAMS, MSNBC HOST: Anne Rimoin with us from Southern California,
thank you as always. It will do nothing to stop the criticism of these
briefings as being a critique of the media coverage when the President`s
quote testing is very much of a media trap starts to get in circulation
tonight, beginning with our next broadcast. “ALL IN” with Chris Hayes
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes.
President Donald Trump is so concerned primarily overwhelmingly, with how
the Coronavirus pandemic affects his day to day political fortunes, that
even with hundreds of thousands of cases and tens of thousands of deaths in
this country, he is still to this date, overriding scientific experts to
try to make it through each new news cycle.
Today, we got the latest example of this extremely dangerous pattern,
fixation of the president, constantly putting his own P.R. over science.
This story broke yesterday. It didn`t get a lot of attention. It`s a
strange story. And it was that the director of a government agency that
plays a very big role in vaccine development suddenly left his post. Weird,
kind of out of nowhere. I mean, why would this guy, Dr. Rick Bright,
suddenly leave in the middle of the worst pandemic in a century to go to
some other less important position the government.
Dr. Bright spent his entire career in vaccine development and was
previously responsible for preparing the nation for influenza pandemics and
coordinating production, acquisition, and delivery of medical
countermeasures during a pandemic response. In fact, Congress just tripled
his agency`s budget to work on coronavirus projects. So he seems like
someone you would want to keep around in his position.
Well, we learned today first reported by New York Times that Dr. Bright
says he was sidelined because he pushed back against the President`s
constant shilling for an untested malaria drug known as hydroxychloroquine
as the magical cure for coronavirus.
Dr. Bright released a lengthy statement through his attorneys today telling
his side of the story. And in terms of statements, this is just explosive.
It`s a kind of worst-case scenario. I want to read you a large part of what
he says to get a sense of what he is claiming happened.
“I believe this transfer – meaning his transfer away from his position –
was in response to my insistence that the government invest the billions of
dollars allocated by Congress to address the COVID-19 pandemic into safe
and scientifically vetted solutions and not in drugs, vaccines, and other
technologies that lack scientific merit. I`m speaking out because to combat
this deadly virus science, not politics, or cronyism has to lead the way.”
Dr. Bright says he also resisted efforts to, and I quote him here, “fund
potentially dangerous drugs promoted by those with political connections.
Specifically, and contrary to misguided directives, I limited the use of
chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine promoted by the administration as a
panacea, but which clearly lacked scientific merit.
While I am prepared to look at all options and to think outside the box for
effective treatments, I rightly resisted efforts to provide an unproven
drug on demand to the American public. I insisted these drugs be provided
only to hospitalized patients with confirmed COVID-19 while under the
supervision of a physician.
These drugs have potentially serious risks associated with them, including
increased mortality observed in some recent studies in patients with COVID-
19. Sidelining me in the middle of this pandemic and placing politics and
cronyism ahead of science puts lives at risks and stunts national efforts
to safely and effectively address this urgent public health crisis.”
My God, if that is true. The President was pushing day after day, well,
along with his allies on Trump TV pushing this unproven drug, which we
don`t know whether it works or not, whether it`s safe or effective or not.
It might be it might not be. They were pushing it because they wanted
people to think there was some magical cure around the corner.
But Dr. Bright also seems to be implying in that statement, there`s some
sort of profit motive for politically connected people promoting the drug.
That`s crazy. On the corruption scale from one to 10, that`s an 11. This is
happening in the middle of a pandemic, when thousands of people are dying
This is just the latest example of the president putting his own very
short-term political interests over the broad health and safety of the
American people. Just yesterday, the President`s director of the CDC warned
of a second wave of the coronavirus later this year. When also flu season
would make it a much harder to fight a totally uncontroversial,
scientifically grounded statement.
But not for the president. In his nightly propaganda festival in the
briefing room a short time ago, Trump prompted his CDC director to say he
was misquoted about the possibility of the virus re-flaring. And then
standing next to the President, the CDC director confirmed under
questioning he was not misquoted and basically reiterated his previous
We`re months into this pandemic and the behavior is not new. I mean, the
President has been doing this from the very beginning of the outbreak. Two
months ago, two months ago, it seems like another lifetime, Dr. Nancy
Messonnier, another unknown public health expert just like Dr. Bright, a
serious career government official, works in the CDC, she warned us what
was in our future.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
NANCY MESSONNIER, DIRECTOR, NATIONAL CENTER FOR IMMUNIZATION AND
RESPIRATORY DISEASES: Ultimately, we expect we will see community spread in
this country. It`s not so much a question as if this will happen anymore,
but rather more of question of exactly when this will happen, and how many
people in this country will have severe illness.
I understand this whole situation may seem overwhelming, and that
disruption to everyday life may be severe. But these are things that people
need to start thinking about now. I had a conversation with my family over
breakfast this morning. And I told my children that while I didn`t think
that they were at risk right now, we as a family need to be preparing for
significant disruption of our lives.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: Significant disruption of our lives. That was on February 25, almost
two months ago, another lifetime ago. And looking back, she absolutely
nailed it. She knew exactly what was going to happen. She`s a person in the
government whose job is to do that.
Well, today, the Wall Street Journal reports, the President was so furious
when he found out about her briefing, he wanted to get rid of her. “A
furious Mr. Trump, flying back to Washington from India, called Health and
Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, and threatened to oust Dr. Messonnier
for the sin of correctly predicting the future.”
Now, President Trump could have listened to his own health expert and acted
quickly but he did not. According to the New York Times, if he had acted
quickly, that could have saved tens of thousands of American lives. Yes,
that`s the number.
An estimated 90 percent of the cumulative deaths in this country from
COVID-19 might have been prevented by putting social distancing policies
into effect two weeks earlier, two weeks, but no. Instead, he didn`t like
the news cycle and the stock market so Dr. Messonnier was benched.
And literally the next day, the next day the president said this about
Coronavirus cases in the U.S. We`re going subs very substantially down not
up. Within a couple days, it is going to be down to close to zero. We`re
going to hit a million at some time the next few weeks. Oh also, I viewed
that this the same as the flu.
And now here we are two months later, we`re heading towards 50,000 dead
Americans. Remember South Korea, South Korea, they verified the first case
of the Coronavirus in their country on the very same day as us here in the
United States and South Korea has 238 total deaths.
We also learned today the cost of this inaction was even greater than we
initially realize. Reporting today, it appears the first death of
coronavirus came on February 6th. That`s about a month earlier than we
President Trump had a chance to stop this disease and to save tens of
thousands of American lives. But because he only cares about how the
disease impacts his personal image and cable news coverage from one minute
to the next and then his reelection, we are suffering from a medical and
economic disaster that we`re in the middle of.
Joining me now, the former Acting Administrator for the Centers for
Medicare and Medicaid Services and host the new podcast In The Bubble Andy
Slavitt. And Andy, this Dr. Bright statement to me is – it`s not shocking
because it`s not at all surprising in the content of Trump administration.
But what – if what he is saying is true, the danger of the malfeasance
here can`t be overstated.
ANDY SLAVITT, FORMER ACTING ADMINISTRATOR, CENTERS FOR MEDICARE AND
MEDICAID SERVICES: Chris, this is a really alarming situation. Here`s the
analogy I would give you. This is like the Patriots pulling Tom Brady in
the fourth quarter with the team down by six, facing elimination. This is a
man, Dr. Bright, who has spent his entire career preparing for this moment.
He spent his entire career studying influenza and other infectious diseases
and how to build a vaccine for these moments. This is a guy you want on the
field right now.
So the American public needs to look at this and say, for every possible
reason, this man needs to be back – put back in the game. You saw Dr.
Fauci was quite alarmed at this. And unfortunately, this is following the
same pattern that we`ve seen with the Justice Department and that you
pointed out we`ve seen with other public officials, if they do anything
that doesn`t make it – that doesn`t reflect well on the president, they`re
pulled out of the game. But we need Tom Brady in the game.
HAYES: And it`s more than – it`s more than doesn`t, you know, reflect well
on the president. I mean, what Dr. Bright is alleging here is that he stood
in the way of a demand from someone in the political apparatus in the
administration to make this particular drug, hydroxychloroquine, available
on demand to every American.
I mean, that is a – that is a crazy allegation. I mean, the danger of that
– this has been pushed by Laura Ingraham and Trump T.V., and they`ve been
pushing it as miracle cure. And I should say, there were some studies
showing the promise, there`s some studies showing danger. We don`t know. We
just don`t know. But that`s a wildly reckless thing for the government to
SLAVITT: So Chris, there`s two issues. One is why he was fired, and the big
– or I should say, reassigned. And the bigger issue is that is the fact
that he was reassigned. Taking your best vaccine developer out of the game
when you have a novel virus, when we have no immunity, and we can`t get
back to normal life, until we have either herd immunity, which will come
with the cost of a lot of lives, or a working vaccine is I can`t just – I
can`t communicate how irresponsible that is.
Now we have – we have reason after three and a half years to understand
why that happened. We have reason after three and a half years to
understand that anybody that makes president look bad, that this is what
happens to them. There`s no other explanation. You never pull Tom Brady out
of the game for any reason, based on merit.
HAYES: Right. There`s also the sort of really abject display today where
the President trots out. Dr. Redfield, who`s not been at the briefing I
think since March 9th, because he gave I think a fairly innocuous interview
for the Washington Post where he warned that a flu season with coronavirus
on top of it this fall in winter would be really difficult, will be really
And here`s the president attempting to sort of initiate some kind of Maoist
recantation from his CDC director. Take a listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: He was misquoted, totally
misquoted. He said they could come together. They didn`t talk about that.
And his whole purpose in making the statement was to get a flu shot.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But that quote of wider spread was accurate, right, sir?
That`s the quote from the Washington Post. You were accurately quoted,
ROBERT REDFIELD, DIRECTOR, CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION: I`m
accurately quoted in the Washington Post.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: It`s just anything that – it`s such a dangerous mindset. It`s such
a dangerous mindset in the beginning, which is anything that sounds like it
might be bad in the future has to be wiped away, and wishing will not make
it so. I just can`t believe that this continues to be the posture.
SLAVITT: Long gone are the days when we were criticizing the president for
lying about golfing too much. If only – and I think there were a number of
people at that time, including yourself, many others who were saying this
pattern of lying, this pattern of not being straight with the American
public, this pattern of protecting yourself at the expense of what`s good
for the public is going to cost us.
And now it`s game time. Now it`s for real. And so to be an environment
where you have someone who can`t take any criticism, who can`t face a
situation where he`s losing without pretending he`s winning, is really
I have been making a significant effort to be nonpartisan during this
crisis because this virus spreads between Republicans and Democrats, and I
want everyone to hear the same message. I want everyone to know that this
is not about partisanship, that we all have to care about each other and
work together. But we also have to hold the president accountable when he
does things like this. This is the kind of thing that`s incredibly
dangerous. In many respects, it`s singularly disqualifying.
HAYES: Andy Slavitt, as always, thank you so much for taking a little bit
of time with us tonight. I really appreciate it. Joining me now is the
governor of the state which had the earliest confirmed cases but actually
in public health officials in the state who actually violated the
guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control to start testing and
discovered one of the first cases, Washington Governor Jay Inslee.
Governor, let me – let me start on this timeline question because
Washington was very early in this, early in terms of detection and then
early inaction. We saw the Santa Clara County Medical Examiner is actually
performing autopsies on bodies that they suspect may have been felled by
Do you – is there any surveillance like that happening or any sort of idea
in your state to be looking towards that to maybe better pinpoint when this
started, so that we could get more information about what exactly the
exposure the virus has been?
GOV. JAY INSLEE (D-WA): Not to my knowledge. If that`s going on, I haven`t
heard about it. We have had the benefit of the some of the best geneticists
in the world, who have provided us some retrospective review of what was
going on in our state before we even identified the first patient.
And they did by looking at the genetic evolution of this material in the
mutation rate. They do believe that it was in our state, at least several
weeks, I believe, before we had the first patient who visibly became
confirmed. And that was one of the problems of not knowing that it was
brewing and breeding, if you will, in our state.
I am glad we jumped on it relatively early. I think it has had a beneficial
impact. But this is a tough foe because you don`t know where it is. And I
think those early days were a perfect example of that.
HAYES: There`s been some news about your state which has managed to escape
the kind of fate that we`ve seen in a place like New York, for instance, or
New Jersey. I know that this – that some farmers markets reopened in
Seattle. How have your discussions been with your public health officials
in terms of guiding you about what you can and can`t do, what should and
shouldn`t be allowed?
INSLEE: Well, our discussions have been intense and they`ve been about
hourly. We are – we are monitoring multiple data sets. We`re looking at
multiple models of what we would project to see depending on what action we
take. And as you know, it`s quite clear that if we removed all our
restrictions right now, we would see a spike back up and probably
relatively rapidly, unfortunately, go back on the curve that we were on
before we put these social distancing things into place.
And that`s why we were so frustrated when we had the president go out and,
you know, say people should ignore the law of several states because it is
clear that if that were to help, or to happen, that we would continue to
see increase in fatalities.
Now, fortunately, that`s not happening in our state. My order is staying in
place at least through May 4th, and it is likely that there will be
restrictions beyond that. We are looking at some modest things we can do if
there is some parts of our industries to bring back, if they have new
protocols of hygiene.
For instance, we`re looking at residential construction. We had – we
stopped residential construction because of the health risk. But we might
be able to bring that back on really strong protocols of social distancing
and ways to train people to stay safe. So that`s one of the things we`re
But to show you how acute it is for the governors to really look at this
data, we`re getting – we hope a new model, the fourth tranche of a model
from the Institute for Disease modeling, we hope to have that Thursday. And
we hope that that`s going to show decrease in a projection of a decrease so
that we can do a few modest things in May. Because this is a dial as has
been said, not a light switch. But we`ve got to have that two conditions to
exist for us to be able to do that.
Number one, we have to reduce the number of infections and fatalities but
more importantly, infections to a manageable level so the testing and
contact tracing and effective, and I stress effective isolation, can really
wrestle this beast to the ground and keep it under control. And we have to
have that system in place. So we`re building an army to do that. 1,500
people or more, some National Guardsmen and women, to make sure that both
of those conditions exist before we can really reopen our economy fully.
HAYES: Governor Jay Inslee, who has been managing this crisis from the very
first moments of it here in the United States. Thank you so much, Governor.
INSLEE: You bet. Thanks, Chris. Wash your hands.
HAYES: Coming up, new reporting on the Trump cronies urging the president
to risk American lives to save their bottom line and the desperate pleading
for the opposite. That`s next.
HAYES: You`ve all seen the pictures of these relatively small protests
against governors enforcing shoulder distancing measures that are meant to
keep us safe right now. These people yelling and holding signs are just the
ones we actually see. The interest pushing this behind the scenes look a
lot like this, Wisconsin billionaire shipping magnate and Trump mega-donor
She along with a bunch of her fellow wealthy right-wingers are pushing to
open up businesses, get profits going again, and whatever happens to
workers, well, that`s what`s going to happen. Liz Uihlein has been arguing
this from the beginning, in fact, so points for consistency. Writing an e-
mail to Illinois lawmakers in mid-March, “The media is overblowing COVID-
19. At what point do we go back to our normal lives? This has been a huge
The people who know best what it looks like if we just opened up and went
back to business as usual are the healthcare workers in the front lines.
Yesterday, a group of nurses staged this protest in the White House where
they read out the names of some of their fallen colleagues.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MELODY JONES, REGISTERED NURSE: Jody Wilson Griffin from St. Louis,
Missouri. Keith Kelly, New York, New York. Noel Sinket, Washington D.C.
Araceli Buendia, Miami, Florida, Cynthia Mendoza, Norfolk, Virginia.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: Those are of course, a few of the nurses that we have lost in this
country due to this virus. I`m joined now by one of the nurses who spoke at
that protest yesterday, Erica Jones, a registered nurse at Medstar
Washington Hospital Center. Erica, I wonder if you can just talk a little
bit about what motivated you to protest amidst all this.
ERICA JONES, REGISTERED NURSE, MEDSTAR WASHINGTON HOSPITAL CENTER: You
know, actually I really struggled with coming out and participating in a
protest when I`m telling people to stay at home. But I had my own
coronavirus scare where I`ve had to isolate away from my family and then
you see our nurse colleagues throughout the country are getting sick, and
they`re dying because they don`t have the right personal protective
equipment to keep them safe.
So, you know, we`re being called every day we`re heroes, but then we`re
being left feeling like we`re martyrs on the battlefield with nothing.
HAYES: What do you – what do you make of where this sort of debate in this
country is? You see these very loud and visible protests that have gotten a
lot of airtime, but if you look at the polling, you have, you know, crazily
large majorities of people saying they`re scared of the virus, they think
we should stay home. They think the measures are appropriate. Does that
hearten you? What do you think when you – as you watch this play out?
JONES: You know, as I watch protesters, I think that if they were in the
hospitals with us, watching people as this illness progresses, and as they
dies, they wouldn`t be out there risking catching the disease. But I`m
really heartened by the 70 plus percent of the United States that wants to
stay home because I`m glad that they`re understanding the science and the
facts that prove that social distancing works and they`re keeping
themselves safe and keeping us safe in turn.
HAYES: Do you feel – I know you were talking about insufficient personal
protective equipment. That has been an issue for weeks and months. Do you
feel any corner has been turned in terms of your personal experience or
those of your colleagues or do you still feel like there`s a scarcity?
JONES: Now, there`s definitely actually more of a scarcity now because
we`re using it up and we`re depleting the stockpiles that hospitals might
have had. I`m actually right now in the hospital that I work out. They`re
starting to tell us, hey, we`re going to collect these respirators and
sterilize them and give them back to you. After weeks of telling us we have
enough now, we`re reaching a point where we definitely don`t.
And throughout the country, I`m hearing from our colleagues, they`re
running out. They`re using bandanas, they`re using cloth face masks which
don`t provide hardly any protection.
HAYES: Can you tell me what the emotional experience, if you`re willing to,
about – of yourself and others that you work with just in terms of the
morale, in terms of the stress and the burden and the fear and the grief
all that you have to sort of go through at every shift?
JONES: Every day, you come into the hospital, you`re preparing for the
worst, you`re afraid. You`re afraid that you`re going to be exposed. You`re
afraid that you`re bringing this disease back home to your children and
your family. You`re afraid that you could be the next nurse or doctor lying
in a hospital bed dying from this disease.
And you know that fear ends up breeding anger and we`re angry that we`re
not being protected. And we`re angry that people don`t understand what
we`re going through. And we`re angry that our colleagues are dying. And you
know, hearing your colleague has just died, there`s no grief like that
because you`re grieving over the person and then you`re grieving over the
potential that you`re going to die.
HAYES: Erica Jones, thank you so much for what you do. And I`m wishing you
and your family health and safety throughout all this. Thank you very much.
JONES: Thank you.
HAYES: Ahead, what`s missing from the latest one rescue bill coming out of
Congress. Now, Republicans led by Mitch McConnell are laying the groundwork
for the same widespread economic pain and devastation that they foist on
the country after the last recession.
HAYES: Do you remember that the last time we had a Republican president,
not this one, but the last time that it was a total disaster, that under
his leadership thousands of Americans died unnecessarily in the Iraq war.
We spent trillions of dollars. We inaugurated the longest war in the
republic`s history, and that his term ended with what should have been a
once in a generation, once in a
century financial cataclysm that thrust the nation toward the edge of a
great depression. That was the last Republican
And in response to that, Republicans like Mitch McConnell passed a bunch of
bailout, including the famous – infamous – Wall Street bailout known as
TARP that, along with all the tax cuts to the rich they had done and the
spending, blew up debt and deficits.
And then, and then, as soon as there was a Democratic president, Mitch
McConnell and Republicans, who had shepherded through all of the tax cuts
and the bailouts, they turned around and did everything in their power to
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R) KENTUCKY: Nobody wants an open-ended recession,
but so far the only solution to the economic crisis the Democrats in
congress are offering is open-ended spending without any end in sight.
And let`s be clear about something, you cannot end a recession by digging
the country into deeper and deeper debt.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: Ah, deeper and deeper in debt, deficits. We can`t give you any votes
except for maybe, two, three on the Recovery Act, and we`re going to try
and impose austerity through a Budget Control Act and blow through the debt
ceiling, all that stuff. Remember all that? Well, that led to prolonged
misery throughout the nation. All that austerity.
So that`s what happened the last time we had a Republican president.
And now look we are, another Republican president Under this Republican
president, tens of thousands of Americans have died, many unnecessarily,
due to the botched Coronavirus response. The economy has, wow, once again
entered a financial cataclysm for the second time in 12 years, that should
be once in a century, that threatens to push us into a Great Depression,
and Republicans like Senate Leader McConnell are running the same play
So they passed trillions of dollars in rescue money, some of which is very
useful and needed, but also includes bailouts for large corporations,
including once who gave bonuses or stock buybacks.
And then now McConnell suddenly very worried, very worried about that
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R) KENTUCKY: I would certainly be in favor of
allowing states to use the bankruptcy route. My guess is their first choice
would be for the federal government to borrow money for future generations
to send it down to them now so they don`t have to do that. That`s not
something I`m going to be in favor of.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: No, no, no, he`s not going to be in favor of every state in the
union going belly up? I mean, think about what the finances of every state
in the country look like right now – Alabama, Massachusetts, Hawaii,
Kentucky. Let the states go bankrupt, that`s what Mitch McConnell is
saying, cut the programs to the bone, cut the pensions.
The second we have a Democratic president, if we get one next year, Mitch
McConnell will point to that deficit that he has run up, whose Republican
president`s mismanagement has exploded along with with the trillion dollar
tax cuts, they will point to the deficit as an excuse to screw over
ordinary people – the firefighters and the public health workers and the
teachers who are going to be fired in every one of those states that are
going bankrupt, and that will prolong the misery.
In fact, McConnell`s office is already derisively referring to, quote, blue
state bailouts to oppose helping the states fighting the virus. But I`ve
got to say if Mitch McConnell thinks it is only blue states that are going
to be economically and fiscally ravaged by the fight against this virus, he
has a very, very rude awakening coming.
HAYES: Yesterday the senate passed by voice vote a bipartisan Coronavirus
rescue bill that leaves a lot of, a lot, of crucial things out. It`s
already receiving some criticism from some House Democrats who are expected
to vote on it tomorrow, including my next guest.
Joining me now is Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib. She`s a Democrat from
Congresswoman, the top lines here are $320 billion new dollars for that
Paycheck Protection Program for small businesses, including 60 billion set
aside for businesses dealing with community banks. There`s money for
hospitals, for disaster relief fund and for testing. What are your
REP. RASHIDA TLAIB, (D) MICHIGAN: I mean, I think it`s pretty clear what
the objections are. You know, what this is, which they call 3.5 CARES Act
is the fact that in the previous bill, they fell short for support for
small businesses. And in 14 days, literally all that money was exhausted
and here we go again instead of spending it on small businesses, on actual
people in the community that were already on survivor mode, they wanted to
spend $500 billion of it on a corporation bailout. They should have focused
on small businesses in the first place. They should have focused on
testing and saving lives in the first place.
You know, our community in Detroit, in Wayne County right now, local
communities are literally having firefighters, first responders, their
local folks that are doing the testing at clinics getting sick with COVID,
sometimes 60 percent of their force is getting COVID right now. And they`re
all going to be left behind with no aid, no support.
So this fell short in providing support for local communities that are too
important to fail. You know, you see them talking about too big to fail,
I`m telling you local governments, local municipalities, local communities
they`re the ones who are going to save our lives, they`re the ones that are
zero focused on the ground trying to help, not only with testing and
tracing, but making sure that people are protected and that they have
people to turn to for help. And these are the ones that are going to
administer a lot of things we pass on the federal level. And we just cannot
leave them behind.
You know, one of the things you should know, Chris, you know, we have close
to 34,000 people in Michigan now confirmed to have COVID, lost 2,800 lives,
one of which was a 5-year-old beautiful girl Skylar that we lost here in
Detroit and one of the things that you hear is her father who is a
firefighter, her mother a police officer, first responders.
What you hear from community and her grandmother who broke down talking to
me is that they don`t feel like they`re cared for. They feel neglected. And
that`s the hard part here is this disconnection that I continue to see in
all the bills that come through of making sure that we have reoccurring
payments for people.
You know, $1,200 is just not enough. And then not only that, small
businesses have told me put money in pockets of people because we know
they`re not going to horde it like corporations do, they will actually
spend it in our small businesses, in our restaurants, in these local
communities and stimulate the economy.
But secondly, people shouldn`t be worried about evictions right now, right.
Putting money again in their pockets so they are able to pay for that,
because right now, a third – I think it was one-third of people could not
pay their rent this past month and rent is due again in a week. So, imagine
the impact that`s happening.
And I`m really alarmed at the fact that McConnell says, hey, we`re going to
pass this and leave for a month leaving people behind who are literally
losing their lives every single day.
HAYES: So I`m hearing from you the state – aid to state municipalities,
revenue sharing, which – I mean, in a place like Detroit, obviously, which
went through this once before just short while ago with incredible fiscal
crisis and fiscal crunch that devastated the city, devastated the city`s
work force, the pension programs, all those things, that aid – and you
think there should be reoccurring payments, not just this one-time stimulus
check, some kind of monthly payment to people that is there throughout the
duration of the crisis?
TLAIB: Yeah, I mean, they`re in survivor mode. They literally lived check
by check before this global pandemic. You know, you have McConnell, who is
a millionaire, completely disconnected to understand why people are living
check by check. That is the reality. It`s low wage jobs, some of whom are
called essential workers, but these are the same ones asking McConnell for
$15 minimum wage. On the front lines, these are communities that continue
to be neglected.
It was not just Detroit. I was just talking to the city of Wayne in Wayne
County where, again, firefighter was coughing over the phone while telling
us can you do something to make sure that we have better health care? Can
you make sure that we can pay our next due amount for pensions? That`s what
is happening, because they`re having to divert so much of their resources
towards combating COVID right in the local communities that they are going
to go bankrupt, they`re going to be left behind.
And I just think they are too critical and too important to fail right now.
These are the ones touching the lives of our residents, not congress, not
the federal government. We need to be funding them and supporting them, not
through loans, but actual direct grants, FEMA reimbursement.
And you should know, moratorium now in Michigan from water shut offs. Even
that, they have to swallow up those costs, but water needs to be a human
right. We have to be able to wash our hands. And 15 million Americans
across the country, Chris, do not – are literally shut offs and 1 in 20
Americans have shut off notices.
So, we have got to do more to making sure we`re centered on people and
bailing out people first, because if we don`t do it, we`re not going to
have an economy.
HAYES: All right. Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib joining me from Michigan this
evening. Thank you so much for your time, Congresswoman.
TLAIB: Thank you for having me.
HAYES: Up next, the one and only Seth Meyers on Late Night and that
HAYES: So now that we`ve planned out the schedule this spring for this
show, All In, we thought we would be doing a lot more live audience shows,
which are really liked. A certain energy that comes from those shows that
is different from the other shows we do, and talked about expanding them
from Friday, to maybe multiple nights a week, and we would do it throughout
the election season.
That of course has not happened, like so many things. And the folks who
depend on those audiences night after night in this business, particularly
the late night talk show hosts, have had to radically adjust their format
in just a matter of weeks.
Seth Meyers has been hosting Late Night from the attic of his house, a
backdrop that has made for some really awesome television.
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SETH MEYERS, HOST, LATE NIGHT: As you may know, there has been some
speculation online about what`s behind my tiny little door back there. And
I just want to put one of the rumors to rest. I do not keep my children in
there so they won`t interrupt me when I`m filming. For one, that would be
very cruel. And two, it`s a shallow closet. You would never fit both of
Wait – who let you out? Oh, not you, too? They`re loose. The boys are
This has been a – oh, you`re going back?
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HAYES: And Seth Meyers joins me now from that same attic, with maybe the
boys in there, I`m hoping they make a guest appearance, Seth.
MEYERS: Now, I`m really worried that your audience would just assume that
they are going to come out of there, but I have to assure everybody
watching that they are fast asleep. Fast asleep. Right below this room. So
keep it down.
HAYES: So this this has been such a bizarre time for everyone, obviously
you and I are extremely, extremely lucky to be able to do what we do and
have the situations that we have when you talk about grocery workers and
health care workers, but everyone no matter what they`re doing is adjusting
in ways, and I keep thinking about what you do, which is – you know,
having been on your show a bunch, it feels so – the audience and the
energy of that room feels so connected to what you`re doing. What it has
been like to not have that, particularly because that same feeling of like
playing rock venues for people I know that are in bands or in theater,
like, there`s a lot of people that work in a world that depends on being
around a lot of other people in communion that don`t have that right now.
MEYERS: Yeah, and certainly one of the most exciting things about doing
comedy for a living is getting that instant feedback from an audience and
we are so grateful that, you know, every seat is filled when we do have a
show. And it has for sure been one of the hardest parts of this, but, you
know, as you said, it`s not harder than what most people are going through
so we count ourselves lucky.
But of the many interesting experiences that we are going through doing it
without an audience is right up at the top of that list.
HAYES: It is also just a strange thing right now, the kind of Groundhog Day
quality, I find, of how easy it is to lose track of like where you are in
the week and how similar each day is to the other day. Are you finding
MEYERS: Very much so. You know, we are on a schedule, the hiatus this week,
and I have no sense at all of what day it is without having the structure
of the show, which has been helpful, you know, because then I have to talk
to other people, whereas on a hiatus week, it is just two children who
couldn`t tell you the day of the week if you paid them.
HAYES: How is the family doing? Obviously, one of the things that I`ve
found, a silver lining in all of this, and I had two of my big kids on the
show, and one was when my son, David`s, birthday is that – and again, I`ve
been talking to people who have these mixed experiences of this whole
thing, the fear of illness, family members who are getting sick, the
disruption, the economic anxiety, but also some sense of solidarity or
close sense of family, and I`ve been really, that part of it, being around
my family much more, you and I both have jobs that make that hard, has been
an incredible boon.
MEYERS: Yes, I mean the first month, it was incredible, just being able to
have everybody the first month, and the novelty has worn off.
No, they`re fantastic.
I will say, you know, they appeared in one episode of the show, and I had
this heartbreaking moment of walking down and watching my 4-year-old
FaceTime his grandparents so matter of fact saying, just while he was
chewing, I`m on daddy`s show tonight. I hid in the closet and then ran out.
And I`m like, oh no, I have put – I have planted the seed.
HAYES: Well, there`s also something about watching your kids deal with this
that is very intense and tender I`m finding, like my, watching them have
play dates with their friends, on their, you know, on a screen, you know,
with headphones, and wondering what this is doing to them, as children,
like what impression is this making? How formative is this moment going to
be for them, as they go throughout their life, this moment where they had
to be worried about the sickness and they couldn`t hug their friends?
MEYERS: Well, you know, I think we talked about this a little bit. I think
your children, it`s certainly, going to have a bigger impact, like for
mine, they`re two and four, I don`t think they can really wrap their heads
around the negative aspects of this.
Ultimately, I think it will help them wash their hands more, but
ultimately, it will be crazy, 10, 20 years from now, to talk back with them
about this, and I imagine we`ll mostly be like oh, yeah, that was the time
when we just went on more, you know, walks.
HAYES: Right. Family walks.
I`ve also felt, you know, one thing that`s been strange about this moment,
you have been – obviously, do you a lot of political satire on the show,
and have, you know, a lot of things that people worried about the
president, which at other moments were sort of like humorously trivial,
like the time that he sharpened the Sharpie to the hurricane, like all of
that stuff, all of those character traits about him that are so satirizable
and sort of – can be enraging but also humorously in that context now are
all present in the midst of like an ongoing national nightmare.
MEYERS: Yeah, it was always stunning to me that people ever thought he
would only lie about small stuff. I think that it was shocking that he
would lie about small stuff and almost a full guarantee that he would lie
about bigger stuff if those bigger things – if the truth of those bigger
things would make him look bad. So, you know, we were just constantly
watching dress rehearsal for what is now this terrifying show.
HAYES: Wait, the terrifying what?
MEYERS: This terrifying show now of, you know, these lies on full display,
when it really mattered.
HAYES: Yes, that is the thing I keep thinking about. I keep thinking back
to like the feeling of oh, god, here we go, the roller coaster on election
night, 2016, where we have done this thing, it never happened in the
history of the country before, which is elect a person to be president, who
has no prior government or military experience. This literally has never
happened. This is – we`re going to run this experiment with the whole
country, as the variable group, with no control. And now, here we are, and
there`s a kind of surreality, a pinching yourself, that I find myself
MEYERS: Yeah. And you know, that is also, you know, doing the content that
we do every night, where you think it will move on, and be about different
things, but you get stuck in this mud for lack of a better term. It`s
impossible to move on, because it is the same every day in that, you know,
there are new things he`s, you know, lying about, but he does it with
incredible consistency that you don`t want to just move on because you`re
tired of talking about it, because it`s still important.
And then you start to feel like you`re trapped in a content Groundhog Day.
And yet, the reality, like the reality and the truth are still the reality
and the truth, and still need to be said on Tuesday, as they did on Monday.
MEYERS: Yeah. The crazy thing is if you told me in 2016 when he won, you
know, this means in like three years, you`re going to be doing a show in an
attic, I would have thought, yeah, you`re probably right, I just didn`t
think it would be because of this.
HAYES: Yes, there would be some reason that I would be doing it from an
MEYERS: Yeah, but it seems like this is a domino that would lead to that.
HAYES: You can catch Late Night with Seth Meyers, which will be back live
next week, weeknights, NBC, 12:35 Eastern, a.m.. Seth, man, thank you so
much for taking the time. Enjoy the attic.
MEYERS: All right, be well, guys.
HAYES: Take care.
MEYERS: That is ALL IN for this evening. “THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW” starts
right now. Good evening, Rachel.
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