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Marc Fisher, Harry Seigel, Jamie Raskin, Brian Schatz, Cory Booker

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Palm Beach knew him.


HAYES:  As the president tries to separate himself from Jeffrey Epstein –


TRUMP:  I wasn`t a fan.  I was not –


HAYES:  Tonight, new video released by NBC News showing the future

president partying with the future felon.  Then what we learned from

today`s vote on an impeachment resolution.


REP. AL GREEN (D-TX):  We cannot wait.


HAYES:  As new polling suggests racism as a political strategy is actually



TRUMP:  I do think I`m winning the political fight.


HAYES:  Plus, Senator Cory Booker on the President`s remarks and more and

Senator Brian Schatz on his new push to address climate change in the

Senate when ALL IN starts right now.




HAYES:  Good evening from New York I`m Chris Hayes.  Ever since the Jeffrey

Epstein scandal burst back into national headlines, the President has been

trying to distance himself from the convicted sex offender.  He`s

downplayed their relationship to the press, he`s jettisoned a cabinet

member who has ties to the Epstein scandal, but tonight Donald Trump`s

project got a little harder.


Tonight we have more evidence the President of the United States has been

lying about his relationship with the now registered sex offender.  NBC has

uncovered archive footage of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein partying

together at Mar-a-Lago back in 1992.  Here`s how Mika Brzezinski described

the interaction on “MORNING JOE.”




MIKA BRZEZINSKI, MSNBC ANCHOR:  Later in the footage Trump is seen talking

to Epstein and another man as women are dancing in front of them.  Trump

alternates between dancing and pointing out women to Epstein and the other

man and telling Epstein about the cameras.


Though exactly what they say is difficult to understand as they discuss the

women and their appearances, Trump gestures to one and appears to say to

Epstein: Look at her back there.  She`s hot.  And then Trump says something

else into Epstein`s ear that makes him double over with laughter.




HAYES:  The footage was shot by NBC for a profile of Trump on Faith Daniels

talk-show A Closer Look.  Trump`s behavior in the rest of the episode

hasn`t aged super well.




FAITH DANIELS, FORMER ANCHOR, NBC NEWS:  I saw you at the celebrity chef

there here in New York.


TRUMP:  And what a kiss.


DANIELS:  You kissed me on the lips in front of the paparazzi.  I said

that`ll cost you on booking me on the show.  True story, correct?


TRUMP:  It was so good and it was so open and nice.  She is a fabulous



DANIELS:  So open and nice, what in the world!


TRUMP:  And her husband, her husband is a handsome devil.  I tell you. 

He`s a good guy.  But I think he had his back turned at the time.  So we

had a good time.


DANIELS:  That would be it.  That`s your choice.  Look around.


TRUMP:  Yes, not my choice.


DANIELS:  What kind of woman do you like?


TRUMP:  I think my choice might be – look at the her legs on her.  Boy –


I probably would have been in a corner with my thumb in my mouth and just

going you know, mommy, take me home.  I want to go home.


DANIELS:  Well, you certainly aren`t going now.  We saw evidence of that.


TRUMP:  I know.  Somebody else`s thumb in my mouth.


DANIELS:  In your case, I mean, we`ve already gone through all the

scandals.  There`d be nothing left to uncover.


TRUMP:  Yes, you might be right.




HAYES:  No more scandals after that.  As recently as 2002, Trump was

singing Jeffrey Epstein`s praises to New York Magazine.  He`s a lot of fun

to be with.  It has even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do

and many of them are on the younger side.  No doubt about it Jeffery enjoys

his social life.


The New York Times reports the back in 1992, the same year as the NBC

footage, Trump attended a party with just Epstein, just him and Epstein and

quoting, 28 girls.  He dismissed a business partner`s warnings about his

friend`s conduct.


I said look, Donald, I know Jeff really well.  I can`t have him going after

younger girls.  That was the warning, Mr. Houraney remembers.  He said,

look, I`m putting my name on it.  I wouldn`t put my name on it and have a



Now Epstein is currently in jail newly accused of sexually exploiting and

abusing dozens of minor girls.  So this is what President Trump said about

Epstein just last week.




TRUMP:  Well, I knew him like everybody in Palm Beach knew him.  I mean,

people in Palm Beach knew him.  He was a fixture in Palm Beach.  I had a

falling-out with him a long time ago.  I don`t think I`ve spoken to him for

15 years.  I wasn`t a fan.  I was not – yes, a long time ago.  I`d say

maybe 15 years.  I was not a fan of his.  That I can tell you.




HAYES:  Trump tried to distance himself even more from Epstein days later

pushing out his Secretary of Labor who as U.S. attorney gave Epstein the

infamous sweetheart deal when he was accused of the same crimes over a

decade ago.  Epstein is expected to find out tomorrow whether he`ll get

bail but prosecutors say he`s a serious flight risk.


Today prosecutors told the judge Epstein used a foreign passport with a

fake name to enter several countries in the 1980s – what – including the

U.K., France, Spain, and Saudi Arabia.  They say the passport was found

inside a safe and then I quote again here, “along with $70,000 in cash and

just 48 loose diamonds, like you do.


It`s important to remember that we`re still very much at the beginning of

the Epstein story.  Regardless of what happens tomorrow, we`re going to

learn a lot more about Jeffrey Epstein and the people he spent time with. 

And that`s what Donald Trump doesn`t want you to see.  It`s what he doesn`t

want you to talk about.


Joining me now Marc Fisher Senior Editor at The Washington Post, author of

Trump Revealed: The Definitive Biography of the 45th President.  What is

your reaction to that footage of someone who wrote a book about the guy?



remember that this is taking place at a time when Donald Trump`s empire is

falling apart.  He`s gone through six bankruptcies, his real estate and

casino businesses are in a state of virtual collapse, his marriage with

Ivana Trump has also collapsed.  He`s even broken up with Marla Maples who

would eventually become his second wife.


So he`s looking to improve his reputation and it might seem curious that he

would choose to do so by holding a party with Jeffrey Epstein where he

knows there are cameras from NBC.  But in fact, he does see this as a way

to enhance his reputation because he points out to Epstein that the NBC

cameras are watching them as they are guffawing and poking one another with

glee about the 28 women who are there in – these are NFL cheerleaders by

the way.


This party was in commemoration of the Buffalo Bills playing the Miami

Dolphins that weekend and these were mostly Buffalo Bills cheerleaders who

were at the party.


HAYES:  I mean, I guess there`s a question always about what is known in

the circles that Epstein is running in this time about what his

predilections are.


FISHER:  Well, certainly Donald Trump knew that.  In fact, Trump, his one

shining moment in this whole sordid episode came around that time when

Trump actually banned Jeffrey Epstein from Mar-a-Lago.


Although Epstein had been a rather frequent guest there and Trump had made

a return visits to Epstein`s estate just down the road.  Trump eventually

would ban Epstein from Mar-a-Lago because one of Epstein`s procurers

recruited a locker room girl from Trump`s employ, a teenager to come and be

one of his masseuses over at the Epstein place.


So that was – that may not be the falling out that Trump is talking about

in the clip you showed.  We`re not exactly sure which one he`s referring to

there but certainly was the beginning of the end of their relationship.


HAYES:  We should note that it appears that one of the women who`s been

accused of being one of those recruiters at least in the Miami Herald

reporting, Ghislaine Maxwell, appears to be in the footage of this party as

well which struck me as notable, given the fact that the woman who comes on

the record and speaks to the Miami Herald and is on tape accusing Maxwell

of recruiting her from Mar-a-Lago to then be essentially sexually abused by

Jeffrey Epstein that Maxwell is also at this party.


FISHER:  Yes  She was a really a constant companion of Jeffrey Epstein

through that entire period and for many years thereafter.  Ghislaine

Maxwell played a curious very close role in Epstein`s world.  She was not

only a procurer of young girls according to any number of those now women

who have testified were been deposed about these incidents, she was also an

important part of his financial arrangement.


She`s the daughter of Robert Maxwell, the press lord who died mysteriously. 

and Ghislaine Maxwell was certainly someone who introduced Jeffrey Epstein

to many people in the worlds of celebrity, British royalty, American

politics.  Epstein was a more retiring sort and did not have those social

connections that Miss Maxwell brought him.


HAYES:  All right, Marc Fisher who wrote a book about the man that you see

there on your screen next to Jeffrey Epstein.  Thank very much your time.


FISHER:  Good to be with you.


HAYES:  Joining me now Harry Seigel Senior Editor at the Daily Beast,

Columnist to New York Daily News, Zerlina Maxwell co-host of Signal Boost

on Sirius XM and an MSNBC Political Analyst, and Maya Wiley, former

Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Civil Division for the Southern District of

New York and MSNBC Legal Analyst.


I`m going to call an audible here.  We were going to talk more about that

which I want to do but there was just a moment – let me just sort of break

the fourth wall here and say it`s always – what do you do with the Trump

rally?  It seems like it`s designed to be a television production and to

suck the people into coverage.  And so if there`s news then you cover the



But there was a moment at the rally that seems to me an important moment to

show and get some reaction to.  He did go after Ilhan Omar repeatedly along

with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ayanna Pressley I believe, and Rashida

Tlaib, the women – the Democratic Congresswomen that he tweeted should go

back to their country.


And at the culmination of an attack on Ilhan Omar, he accused her of being

anti-Semite, and the crowd sort of took it from there.  I don`t know if we

have that clip cut, but if we do let`s take a look.




TRUMP:  Omar has a history of launching vicious anti-Semitic screens.


AMERICAN CROWD:  Send her back!  Send her back!  Send her back! 




HAYES:  So that`s a crowd of Americans being incited by the American

President to chant send her back against an American congresswoman.



moment for the country but it`s not surprising in any way.  I think some of

this goes all the way back to the 2008 campaign.  Some of his rallies

remind me of the Sarah Palin rallies.  I felt – I feel like that was where

this originated in that sort of fervor and that racial resentment being

openly expressed.


What Donald Trump has done is normalized racism.  That has been true going

back to birtherism and he makes it OK again to be overtly racist in public

without any fear that there will be any societal repercussions whatsoever.


And that is not something that I am willing to you know, sit around and be

silent about.  And I don`t think anybody that feels that racism is an

unacceptable and unpatriotic position to have and to express in public,

they should not be silent in this moment either.


MAYA WILEY, MSNBC LEGAL ANALYST:  I completely agree with Zerlina and I

take it one step further.  I think it`s more than sad, I think it`s



MAXWELL:  I agree.


WILEY:  I think it`s dangerous centrally to democracy.  I mean, and for all

the reasons that Zerlina said, and when you add that what he is doing and

we saw it in the headlines today around the vote to denounce his racism,

that it became energizing, energizing for the Trump base.


That should not represent an American base because America has never

represented only one group of people and the democracy that we`ve created

is fundamentally about how we be pluralistic and governed together and

that`s what he`s attacked.


HAYES:  What`s the right way to characterize a crowd of overwhelmingly

white crowd, not exclusively but overwhelmingly white crowd chanting send

her back about a black woman who is a U.S. congressman and U.S. citizen?



un-American.  The question is what the rest of us are going to do about

this as these animal spirits if you will, had been unleashed.  And look,

Trump won a very weird – had a very weird path to victory.


In lot of ways he did not win the popular vote and he`s aiming for that

same path again except now he has a tremendous war chest and the power of

the incumbency that the further excites all of these people who if they

thought these ways weren`t chanting, for the most part, we`re quiet about



I think it`s going to take a tremendous political force and the next year

and change to hopefully get us back to that sort of moment.  But people are

not ashamed of shameful behavior right now.  They`re chanting it.


HAYES:  Yes.  I mean, it`s – I also think – well, there`s two things

here.  I think he`s radicalizing people.  I mean it`s happening in real-

time like we`re watching it happen.  It shows up in the public polling

data.  The antecedents were there.  We know they were there.  It`s not like

Donald Trump invented racism.


And even his tactics if you read Nixonland, Rick Perlstein great book about

Nixon, like it`s just kind of a dumber more vulgar version of Nixon.  It`s

not like –


WILEY:  Well, actually he broke Nixon`s playbook because remember Nixon was

the southern strategy done right.  And the southern strategy done right was

we will code it.


HAYES:  Right, exactly.


WILEY:  We will not be explicit.  In fact we think explicit racism is the

third rail.  You don`t touch it because we`ll be electrocuted.  What we

will do is veil it so that it`s acceptable.  And what Trump is really done

is said, if we pair economic populism with racism over explicit we think we

win.  And that`s what we have to say no you don`t.


HAYES:  He`s also making – I think he`s making people worse.  I mean, he

is making – like there`s an idea that there`s a sort of question of like

is he just unleashing what people want to do anyway or is he – and I think

he keeps setting a bar for people and leading them towards things that –


MAXWELL:  I mean, the saddest thing is when you have this conversation and

I`m sure all of us have this week in particular with white people who are

like well, you know, the economy is doing great.  You know, they don`t want

to jump into this conversation about racism.  But when are we going to have

it?  Because black people are being shot by the police, nobody is getting

in trouble.


Eric Garner was just – that case just – the Justice Department just

decided they`re not going to pursue it.  And that`s just a reminder to

people of color in this country that our lives are not as valuable as

everyone else is,


And I`m tired of being reminded of that.  I`m tired of being reminded by

the president of that every single day from his tweets and from his words. 

And so I think this is – this is a come-to-Jesus moment for the country. 

Are we going to deal with racism or not?


SEIGEL:  I am worried that if we deal with racism that we are going to end

up with more Donald Trump.  I think that`s absolutely right that these

aren`t things you can just put off or be patient or let`s just wait until a

few more people get shot.  But Hillary Clinton ran a campaign where she was

bringing up mothers who`ve lost their children.


She went as far in that direction as any mainstream Democrat had at that

point and Trump was American carnage.  And there was a response to that and

I don`t know where –


WILEY:  But that`s not –


MAXWELL:  We won the popular vote.  So the thing that I think – I think

about all the time is that when people say this is why Trump won.  Every

single reason listed is correct on that front.  But again he won by such a

slim margin with so many weird factors in this election that I don`t know

that we can then predict out that you know, the racism is working for him

as if we`re not an emerging majority of people of color in this country.


WILEY:  What are we trying to win?  I think fundamentally we`re trying to

win democracy.  And so where I get concerned is both these points which is

to say we have to represent – recognize we`re talking about all of us, but

that can`t exclude people of color.  And I don`t think that was Hillary

Clinton`s mistake.  I think – I think it was –


MAXWELL:  We could have gone further.


WILEY:  We could have gone further.  Remember that Wisconsin was

fundamentally about voter suppression and trying to bar black people from

the ballot and Latinos and others.  We`ve seeing that now in the

Citizenship fight, the Muslim ban.


Everything we`re being told is who is about who is America and I think it

isn`t working.  And that`s part of what we saw in the – in the twenty –

in the 2018 midterms.  And we shouldn`t forget the call to our better

angels.  And if we don`t, my concern is I`m not sure what we`re fighting



HAYES:  Yes.  I mean, I think they`re both true.  I mean it`s – racism

like that, that kind of mob-ish thing is a potent force in American

politics.  It has been from the very beginning.  It`s a potent force that

tears down the project of reconstruction along with terrorism.  It you

know, wrecks the structures of Jim Crow.


We`ve seen the people spitting on folks.  I mean, that`s – there`s a

continuity there to the force that`s being unleashed there that has genuine

political power in America, like genuine potency.  I don`t think it`s the

winning side.  In fact, it`s a minority of people just to be clear.


MAXWELL:  Yes, very small.


HAYES:  But it`s a minority of people – again, the plan here.  Look where

he is.  He`s in South Carolina.  He`s in South Carolina.  South Carolina is

not up for play.  Like – sorry, he`s in North Carolina.  He`s in North



He knows that his path – his path to victory is basically energizing those

folks and he`s doing it in a place where he thinks that structurally the

conditions of the Electoral College in the – you know what I mean.


WILEY:  He`s playing –


HAYES:  He`s not trying to win the popular vote.  He`s like – he knows

he`s not going to get above 44, 45, 46 percent of the share.  Like it – he

just needs to make that enough people angry enough, rabid enough.


MAXWELL:  I think that what he`s miscalculating is that he`s making black

and brown people very angry as well.  And hopefully without the barricades

or look – you know, the obstacles of voter suppression, we will turn out

in ways that we did not in 2016 which will hopefully make it more like



WILEY:  And I think we have to remember women.  You know, one of the things

that we saw in the Midterms was white women without a college degree who

were not evangelicals voted for Democrats.  And that was actually – so we

forget that the Trump base isn`t all solidified.


HAYES:  There`s also – you know, final thought here, Harry as someone who

covers New York City politics is you know, people want to make this about

the South.  Like those are New York politics.  Like there are versions of

that that have happened, desegregating Queens, like Howard Beach, things

that we – you know, you and I have lived through and covered Crown Heights



Like that kind of racialized politics, that kind of like mob chanting, I`ve

seen that firsthand in New York City.  You don`t have to go down to some

other place in the country to channel those politics.


SEIGEL:  Hey, Rudy Giuliani.  People are afraid of each other and they

don`t always have reason to be.  And playing up on those fears no matter

how safe the country gets – in fact sometimes more when it`s safer because

people get over-invested in their security.  And then imagine other people

and things as a threat to it and this is loud violent politics.


The way really Giuliani wins, it`s a victory of voter participation is

everyone is terrified and get more voter turnout than we`ve ever had

before.  And past a certain point that can actually be a very unhealthy

thing.  It`s good to not only think about politics.  Not with fear and awe

of the President and what`s he going to say and do next continually.  And

he`s sort of capitalizing that to energize his base and exhaust –


HAYES:  That`s right.  Harry Seigel, Zerlina Maxwell, Maya Wiley, thank you

for rolling with that.


MAXWELL:  Thank you.


HAYES:  Next, Congressman Jamie Raskin on what happened today with today`s

impeachment vote in the House in two minutes.






TRUMP:  I do think I`m winning the political fight.  I think I`m winning it

by a lot.  I think that they are not espousing the views of our country.




HAYES:  Donald Trump and his allies have spent the last couple days engaged

in a very obvious and concerted effort to spin his racism because they

can`t actually defend it.  So what they`ve decided to do is concoct a

somewhat ridiculous rationale and suggest that what looks for all the world

like an emotionally incumbent bigot lashing out is really just brilliant

campaign strategy.


Those close to Trump say there`s a lot of calculation behind his race-

baiting Axios reported with a presumably straight face.  Trump told the

Daily Mail he`s not unhappy with the outcry over his racist comments.  The

New York Times reported he has told aides he is pleased with the Democratic

reactions to his attacks.  It`s all part of his master plan, just a crafty

president playing 3D chess with his racism.  Give me a break.


Here`s the polling.  A whopping 68 percent of Americans who know about them

call Trump`s tweets offensive.  59 percent say they`re flat out un-

American.  Just 28 percent agree with them.  And while Republican support

for Trump has ticked up slightly since his racist tweets which maybe not

that surprising, his approval rating among Independents has fallen ten



Trump`s racist tweets were the impetus for a new impeachment resolution

that was brought by Representative Al Green of Texas who was able to force

a vote today on the floor about whether that would get to a full vote.  The

House voted to kill the impeachment effort with the majority of Democrats

along with every single Republican voting to table the resolution.


Joining me now Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland, a member of

the Judiciary Committee.  For those of us not steeped in the procedure of

the august body in which you serve, what happened today?


REP. JAMIE RASKIN (D-MD):  Well, you know, most impeachment resolutions

arise from the Judiciary Committee and members of the Judiciary Committee. 

Our colleague Congressman Green is not a member of the Judiciary Committee

but in an expression of his outrage about the events over the last several

days, he introduced this impeachment resolution.


It didn`t talk about most of the stuff that the Judiciary Committee has

been investigating the obstruction of justice, the abuse of power, high

crimes, and misdemeanors.  It basically asserted that he was unfit for



It was brought to the floor as a privilege motion which every member has

the right to do because it`s impeachment and it goes to the president`s

fitness for office and his focus was that the president was unfit for

office.  But he didn`t enumerate a series of high crimes and misdemeanors.


95 of us voted it shouldn`t be tabled, it should just be referred to the

Judiciary Committee and the Judiciary Committee`s job is to sort out all of

the impeachment resolutions because Mr. Sherman has one there too and

undoubtedly there will be more.  But we`ve got a methodically dissect all

of the potential high crimes and misdemeanors.  And this resolution didn`t

do that.  And so a lot of people voted to table it and it was tabled.


HAYES:  All right.  I`m going to give you a theory of the current behavior

of the Democratic caucus in the House of Representatives that I want you to

respond to whether to rebut or to agree with.  Basically, there is

frustration growing that there has not been a more confrontational posture

towards the president that he`s defied the House time and time again, that

you`ve not really been able to produce any actual documents or testimony

and Mueller is of course happening next week.


And that frustration is kind of leading to this sort of infighting circular

firing squad that we`ve seen breaking out a little bit recently.  Is that -

- is that a fair read?


RASKIN:  I mean, it`s not an unfair read.  I don`t know necessarily if this

is infighting or internal conflict.  I think a lot of that has been way

overblown by the media.  But I think you are getting increasing expressions

of frustration about our ability or inability to deal with the most lawless

and reckless president of our lifetime.


And so we need to put on the table all of the constitutional transgressions

of this president.  I think a lot of them have to do with him running the

office essentially as a money-making operation.  He`s turned the presidency

into a business for himself and his family and his friends.  And they`ve

basically turned all of the federal government departments into part of

this money-making operation.


You know every time they go down to Mar-a-Lago, he makes another $75,000 or

$100,000 from federal government payments going down there.  And there`s

been some excellent reporting recently about 24 different foreign

governments that have been filling his pockets with emoluments through the

Trump Hotel, the office tower and other business ventures.


And I think this is the way to really understand how we got into this

situation.  He`s a businessman.  He`s a failed businessman and went

bankrupt four or five times.  A lot of the Russian oligarchs have bailed

him out through the money laundering schemes that they did and I think that

was the genesis of what happened in 2016.


But I think that`s going to be our way of recovering the roots of this

story and really telling America a narrative about why we`re in this



HAYES:  So what about this idea – a lot of this is playing out for the

courts.  So you slap subpoenas on them and then they say we`re not giving

you anything or we`re not letting a witness come and then you fight it out

in the courts.


And there`s an argument that the position of the House would be stronger in

the courts if there was an impeachment inquiry go – underway.  Do you

think that argument has merit?


RASKIN:  Undoubtedly.  I mean, Professor Tribe has cataloged all of the

arguments for why we`re in a stronger position to collect the evidence we

need.  I mean, it`s basically just because impeachment is an enumerated

power of Congress and it`s a repeatedly enumerated power of Congress.  It

appears four different times.


I think we have the power to get what we want regardless and the Supreme

Court has been pretty clear that the legislative function implies a fact-

finding function.  But I think Professor Tribe is correct that our

investigative powers are at their zenith when we are in an active

impeachment inquiry investigation.


Now, what was on the floor today was actual articles of impeachment. 

That`s the very end of the process.  And we have it looks like now over 100

members who would support an impeachment inquiry at this point, and you

have lots of members in the investigative committees who`ve seen enough.


We`ve read the Mueller report.  We know that there`s tremendous evidence of

direct presidential obstruction of justice in there and we`re hoping that

the appearance of Mueller next week, the special counsel, will allow us to

clear the fog of propaganda left by Attorney General Barr and Donald Trump.


HAYES:  I`m able to talk to you next week after that.  Congressman Jamie

Raskin, thanks for being with me tonight.


RASKIN:  Thanks for having me, Chris.


HAYES:  Ahead, Democrats from the Senate are laying the groundwork to take

on the civilizational challenge of climate change as Republicans keep their

heads in the sand.  Senator Brian Schatz is here with the plan next.




HAYES:  We are on track to have the hottest July and quite possibly the

hottest month ever measured on Earth since we`ve been measuring.  That

comes on the heels of the hottest June on record, as noted by The

Washington Post, quote, nine of the 10 warmest years on record have

occurred since 2000, a trend that scientists have tied mainly to human

emissions of greenhouse gases.


Right now the biggest problem we face here and across the world is the

climate crisis that is upon us.  But the things that one of only two of the

major parties even accepts that it exists, and one of the two parties has

decided to do nothing, actually worse than that, the Republican Party is

actually committed to making it worse. 


And so the situation we`re in is that the planet basically depends on

electing people to power who will actually do something to address the

climate crisis.


Now Democrats are left trying to do the work for both parties.  But as it

stands, they hold a majority in the senate.  They have little recourse to

stop President Trump as he rips up environmental regulations left and



So now Senate Democrats are trying to lay the groundwork for actual

legislative action if they take back the majority in 2020.


Today they took their first stab at that.  Senate Democrats held their

first hearing of the special committee on the climate crisis.  And joining

me now is that new committee`s chairman, Democratic Senator Brian Schatz of



All right, Senator, what`s the idea here?


SEN. BRIAN SCHATZ, (D) HAWAII:  Well, we want to lay the predicate for

action in 2021.  We know that Mitch McConnell is not just dedicated to

inaction on the senate floor as it relates to climate change, but to making

it worse, to confirming nominees that are destroying the environment, but

also to do whatever he can to enhance the standing of polluters in our



And so we decided we`re not going to wait for Mitch anymore.  We`ve

convened our own special committee.  And the basic idea is to lay the

substantive predicate for action in 2021, but also to build the coalition

necessary.  And that I think is the key aspect of this.  We want to make

sure that  climate action is not just about birds and butterflies, it`s not

just about coastal elites or people who like to hike or surf or snorkel,

although I`m one of those people, we want to snake sure that people who

farm, who fish, who hunt, who worry about wildfires and floods and super

storms throughout the Midwest, the west, and the south understand  that

climate action is way cheaper than climate inaction.


HAYES:  So you mean that as internal to the caucus and coalition of the

Democratic Party and the center left in this country?


SCHATZ:  That`s right.  I think we have to do some work first, and as I

hear people talk about a climate change, you know, everybody sort of agrees

that it`s time to take action, but I think we need to kind of invert this

conversation.  A lot of people talk what must be done and why it`s urgent,

and then sort of the last sentence of the paragraph says oh, by the way,

this will be good for working people too. 


And I think we have to start with working people.  We have to center this

conversation around regular people who are struggling to make ends meet,

describe their situation, and describe how climate action can actually help



And I really believe that it can.  You know, people are worried about AI

and robotics sort of  disintegrating the working class in the United

States.  But there are going to be a lot of jobs that can`t be done by

robots or AI or automation in laying solar panels, in retrofitting

buildings, in clean energy technology. 


And so what we have to do is a Marshall plan for clean energy.  And I think

we can do it and build the coalition necessary through 2020, and then in

2021 we`ll be ready to take action.


HAYES:  Something interesting I`ve noted, the president gave a speech about

the environment, I guess it was last week or maybe the week before, that

the reporting indicated was just like put together – prompted by pollsters

– you`re pretty bad on this and public perception.  And today Republicans

– I think this is today – Republicans today launched an environment

minded conservation caucus aimed at battling the perception their party

doesn`t care about climate change, which by the way excellent wording

their, it`s aimed at  battling the perception. 


The bicameral group lists public land access, water quality and ocean

pollution among its priorities.


Do you think they`re on the wrong side of this politically now?


SCHATZ:  Oh, yeah, they`re on the wrong side of this.  You know, a majority

of Republicans – voters, not elected officials – actually want climate

action.  And this polls incredibly well with independents.  And of course,

it`s the number one or two voting issue for Democratic primary voters.


So they`re on the wrong side not just of history, but of polling.  And

they`re now all getting briefed by their individual pollsters and

strategists saying hey, you`ve got to come up with something.


Now, my own view is that there may be a time for bipartisan work, but

actually, our bludgeoning of them on the Senate floor, through the media,

through social media and just generally out there in the world is causing

them to realize that they can`t stand on this burning platform for much

longer politically, they`ve got to come up with something.


HAYES:  All right, Senator Brian Schatz, thank you very much.


SCHATZ:  Thank you.


HAYES:  Ahead, presidential candidate Cory Booker on the president`s

remarks and more.  Plus, tonight`s Thing One, Thing Two starts next.




HAYES:  Thing One tonight, this week marks the 50th anniversary of the

Apollo 11 lunar mission and the first time humans landed on the moon.  The

celebrations marking the occasion are taking place across the country.  In

D.C., the Washington Monument is being transformed into a

life-sized Saturn V rocket, courtesy of projection run by the Smithsonian.


At the Kennedy Space Center in Florida, where the mission took off on July

16, 1969, 300 drones outfitted with LED lights took to the skies last

night, flying along to the music of Duran Duran in a special tribute show.


And if you want to celebrate from the comfort of your own home, CBS has

posted full coverage of the mission launch hosted by Walter Cronkite on

YouTube featuring genuinely and highly entertaining 1960s TV ads. 


\Now, 50 years on, there are still, of course, some people who refuse to

believe the moon landing was real, but don`t try to spew that conspiracy

garbage around Apollo 11 astronaut Buzz Aldrin.




UNIDENITFIED MALE:  You`re the one who said you walked on the moon when you

didn`t, calling the kettle black.


BUZZ ALDRIN, APOLLO 11 ASTRONAUT:  You get away from me.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  You`re a coward and a liar and a thief.




HAYES:  That`s Thing Two in 60 seconds.




HAYES:  89-year-old Buzz Aldrin, the only surviving member of the Apollo 11

mission, and one of only four surviving member of the Apollo 11 mission and

one of only four surviving men who have set foot on the moon.  He was a

fighter pilot in the Korean War, a doctorate in aeronautics at MIT, became

an astronaut in 1963, flying on the last Gemini mission before landing a

spot on the famous Apollo 11 crew.


Buzz Aldrin is a tough guy who knows how to keep his cool.  And he was

sitting in the 7.6  million pound thrust Saturn V rocket about to be

launched into space, Aldrin`s heart rate was just 88 beats per minute. 

Wow, wild.


And as we celebrate the 50th anniversary of Apollo 11, we should also note

the nearly 70th – 17th anniversary of this famous moment when hard-core

American hero Buzz Aldrin met a moon landing conspiracy theorist and did

not hold back.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Why don`t you swear on the bible that you walked on the

moon.  Why don`t you swear on the bible that you walked on the moon.


ALDRIN:  Get out of here.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  This is a hotel.


ALDRIN:  We`ll call the police.


ALDRIN:  Come on in here, we`ll call the police.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Do not solicit on this property.


ALDRIN:  Why don`t you swear on the bible that you walked on the moon. 

You`re the one who said you walked on the moon when you didn`t, calling the

kettle black.  Are you saying I misrepresented myself?


ALDRIN:  Will you get away from me?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  You`re a coward and a liar and a thief.






HAYES:  After Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico in September 2017, there was

one local official upon whom Donald Trump lavished praise.




TRUMP:  We have a wonderful – and the people of Puerto Rico – have a

wonderful representative with respect to themselves in this governor.  This

governor has worked as hard as anybody I`ve seen, and it`s getting done.


Right from the beginning, this governor did not play politics.  He didn`t

play it at all.  He was saying it like it was, and he was giving us the

highest grades.




HAYES:  And for his part, Puerto Rican Ricardo Rossello was careful, very

careful, to try to make the administration look good.




TRUMP:  You look at what happened here with really a storm that was just

totally overbearing.  Nobody has ever seen anything like this.  What is

your death count as of this moment, 17?




TRUMP:  16 people certified.




HAYES:  Certified.  Ooh, basically nothing.


The island of Puerto Rico of course is still reeling from the aftermath of

that hurricane in

which the actual death count appears to be closer to 3,000 Americans.


And now the government there is embroiled in scandal.  Thousands of Puerto

Ricans are on the streets across the island, demanding that Governor

Rossello resign. 


First, two former members of his administration were arrested on corruption

charges, accused of  funneling millions of federal dollars to their

preferred contractors.  Then, nearly 900 pages of group

chat involving the Governor Rossello and his inner circle leaked to the

press, revealing, among many other things, sexist and homophobic language,

so-called jokes in poor taste and a lot more.


Now President Trump is using the scandals to bolster his own reluctance to

provide Puerto

Rico with desperately needed aid.  A White House spokesperson saying in a

statement, quote, the unfortunate events of the past week in Puerto Rico

prove the president`s concerns about mismanagement, politicization and

corruption have been valid.


For the record, it has now been 665 days since Hurricane Maria devastated

Puerto Rico, and

there still to this day has been no formal inquiry from anyone into the

deaths of those 3,000 American citizens.




HAYES:  Yesterday, Attorney General William Barr reportedly overruled the

recommendations of his own DOJ civil rights division, deciding not to

prosecute the New York police officer who was responsible, or at least was

around during the apprehension, of Eric Garner, an unarmed 43-year-old

black man.


As you may remember, the grand jury failed to indict that officer and can

be seen here with his arms around Garner as he repeatedly gasped, I can`t

breathe over and over shortly before he died.


Today, Senator and presidential candidate Cory Booker of New Jersey wrote a

letter to Attorney General Barr blasting that decision, demanding answers

on how he came to that conclusion, quote, “many people, particularly people

of color, feel as if the system is stacked against them without hope of

accountability even when a violent and unnecessary homicide is captured on

video for all the world to see.  The public deserves to know how you

reached such a stunning conclusion.”


And joining me now is Senator Cory Booker, Democrat from New Jersey and

2020 presidential candidate.


Senator, is there anything that the attorney general could say, or any

paper trail her could show you, that could convince you the decision was

just or made in good faith?


SEN. CORY BOOKER, (D) NEW JERSEY:  I think clearly the challenge we have,

and I found this when I had conversations with Barr, when he didn`t even

seem to understand how implicit racial biases deep within our system didn`t

seem to have an agenda to try to address the profound what we

know, statistically no, and are clear, which are problems when it comes to

race and policing.


And so we know in this nation that we capture occasionally these incidents

– horrific incidents on tape, but I think Americans also know for every

one that we catch on tape – remember Eric Garner`s case was filed on a

police report that didn`t even speak to the use of force, this would have

gone unnoticed if it wasn`t for the next day someone actually pulling out a



So, for every Eric Garner or every name that we know, there are thousands

of others that we don`t, because we don`t have a system yet that holds

police officers to accountability.  And we definitely don`t have a DOJ, an

attorney general, who sees that there is even a problem with the kind of

violence and lack of accountability that we often find in policing.


HAYES:  You have a new piece of legislation that I thought was very

interesting sort of looking at the criminal justice reform, particularly

the federal prison population, and offering a possibility for

an application for clemency those who served 10 years.


What the idea behind that?


BOOKER:  Well, the idea is really the evidence and the data.  We in America

have about a

quarter of a million people that are elder in prison that all the data

shows pose little threat to us and most of them are there for egregiously

long nonviolent drug terms.


And, you know, you have 65, 75-year-old people who are very expensive to

keep behind bars, pose very little threat, who were put into prison under

draconian times and even the United States Senate, 87 of us, voted for the

First Step Act, which I helped write to reduce sentences now, not to be

made retroactive.


So, I just believe that we should have judges start to take a second look,

and many of these people that are over-incarcerated and if they find that

there is no reason to keep them in jail – this means including any victim

statements or what have you, but take that look and have a presumption

actually for release so that we can start saving billions of taxpayer

dollars and getting folks who pose us no threats whatsoever, most of whom

are there on sentences that don`t really add up under the scrutiny of the

judicial system looking at it with an eye of compassion, and frankly an eye

of what`s best for society.


HAYES:  I`m not sure if you got to see tonight the president had a rally. 

And there were a crowd of people that after the president attacked your

Democratic colleague in the House of Representatives, Ilhan Omar, again, a

crowd of people chanting send her back.  Send her back.


And as someone who wants to be the nominee to run against that individual,

against that individual who will be having those kind rallies, what`s your

reaction to hearing that?  Seeing that?


BOOKER:  Well, it`s despicable in the sense of what he`s trying to do.  And

we know he is doing it now where there power dynamics have shifted.  But

remember, the things he has been saying about Ilhan Omar he`s been saying

outrageous lies about most Muslims.


Remember he said that during after 9/11 in Jersey City that there were, you

know, thousands of people cheering the World Trade Center.  That was

patently a lie used to try to bolster his political power, using race,

racism, bigotry as a weapon.  He is preying upon fears and bigotry to try

to propel himself forward.


But now he is in the most powerful position in the land and this kind of

politics, sadly, we have seen before.  We had a entire political party

called the Know Nothings that rose up using the same rhetoric we hear from

Donald Trump now, but then they were against Irish and German immigrants.


We heard my parents, my mom, watched in black and white on TV George

Wallace with accusations of Communism, the same language, the same bigotry,

the same hate that we see now.  My mom watched it in black and white and

today millions of Americans saw it in full color.


And so I know there are a lot of policy issues to discuss, but to me this

is an issue of values and it`s a referendum in our country, and it`s not a

referendum on one guy in one office, really it`s a referendum on who we are

and who we are going to be to each other.


And this is a choice we have to make in this country.  Are we going to find

common ground and common cause or are we going to allow somebody to rip us

apart using the vicious knife of racism and bigotry to cut at the fabric of

this country?


HAYES:  You know, you are a U.S. senator and so you represent millions of

people in the United States Senate and they have – they run the gambit in

their political views, some of them like you, some of them hate you, some

of them in between.


I mean, I think about the project for the next American president trying to

stitch the country back together after the Trump administration.  I think -

- what would you, Cory Booker, presidential candidate, maybe nominee, maybe

the president of the United States, say to the people who were in that room

chanting send her back?  When, if you were there president, that you

represent them.  Like what do you want to tell them?


BOOKER:  Well, I want you to know right now that one of the main reasons

I`m running in

this election, before even Donald Trump`s rallies, because I believe we are

a nation that is more and more falling into tribalism, where we hate each

other – we have more animosity towards each other than we do to a lot of

our foreign adversaries.  And many believe are beginning to believe that

the lines that divide us are stronger than the ties that bind us.  And

Lincoln said this a long time ago, a house divided cannot stand.


And so I feel a sense of purpose in my life – heck, years ago I wrote a

book called United, that one of my purposes to see if we can create a new

American majority in this country, not a political majority – I`m talking

about Democrats, I`m talking about the kind of majority needed to defeat

Jim Crow, to unite this country, to do big things – 50th anniversary of

putting someone on the moon, because we can create American majorities that

can move us ahead of all humanity.


And I believe our generation should should try and aspire to defy gravity

again.  And we can`t do that if we don`t have presidents who know how to

heal, have a revival of civic grace and to instigate a more courageous



And so we have had hatred and fear mongering every generation, but we have

overcome that by finding those leaders who can call to the moral

imagination of a country, and that`s what I intend to do.


HAYES:  Senator Cory Booker, 2020 presidential candidate, thanks for making



BOOKER:  Thank you.


HAYES:  By the way, the senator just mentioned the moon landing, I

mistakenly said earlier that Buzz Aldrin was the only surviving member of

Apollo 11 when Michael Collins is obviously very much alive, in fact taking

part in the 50th anniversary festivities this week.  I`m very sorry for

that.   Happy anniversary, Michael Collins.


That is ALL IN for this evening.  “THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW” starts right

now.  Good evening, Rachel.







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