Ivanka Trump plays diplomat. TRANSCRIPT: 7/1/19, All In w/ Chris Hayes.
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CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: Tonight on ALL IN.
REP. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ (D-NY): They should be given water. They
should be given basic access to human right.
HAYES: Horrific conditions in detention camps amid new reporting on a
secret border patrol group joking about migrant deaths.
REP. JOAQUIN CASTO (D-TX): There are many within CBP will become
desensitized to the point of being dangerous to the migrants in their care.
HAYES: My guess tonight, the reporter who broke that story and one of the
members of Congress who actually toured detention facilities today. Then -
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Do you hear the power of
that voice. Nobody has heard that voice before. He doesn`t do news
conference in case you haven`t heard.
HAYES: The President`s chummy meetings with Kim Jong-un, Vladimir Putin,
and the Saudi Crown Prince whose henchmen murdered a Washington Post
TRUMP: And I want to just thank you on behalf of a lot of people and I
want to congratulate. You`ve done really a spectacular job.
HAYES: Plus, Trump`s plans to Bigfoot America`s birthday.
TRUMP: I`m going to be here and I`m going to say a few words and we`re
going to have planes going over it, and we`re going to have some tanks
HAYES: And first daughter diplomacy.
TRUMP: Has anyone ever heard of Ivanka?
HAYES: The disastrous adventures of Ivanka Trump abroad when ALL IN starts
TRUMP: All right, come up Ivanka. Come on. She`s going to steal the
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HAYES: Good evening from Chicago, I`m Chris Hayes. The moral crisis of
the Trump administration`s border policy is more evident than ever tonight.
Members of Congress today including Congresswoman Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez
toured detention camps in Texas and saw unheard, firsthand about some of
the appalling conditions.
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REP. NANETTE BARRAGAN (D-CA): They took all our phones away from us,
something they haven`t done in the past. So we certainly seen some
changes. And frankly, I wonder it`s because they don`t want us to document
anything, they don`t want us to take any photos.
REP. JUDY CHU (D-CA): We talked to a group of women detainees who said
that they didn`t have running water, one was an epileptic and she couldn`t
get her medication. They were separated from their children. They`ve been
there over 50 days. One woman said that the Border Patrol agent told her
to – if you want to water just to drink from a toilet.
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HAYES: The members of Congress also tweeted about what they saw.
Madeleine Dean of Pennsylvania wrote “15 women in their 50s and 60s
sleeping in a small concrete cell, no running water, weeks without showers,
all of them separated their families. Congressman Ocasio-Cortez tweeted
“after I forced myself into a cell with women and began speaking to them,
one of them described their treatment of the hands of officers as
psychological warfare, waking them up at odd hours for no reason, calling
them ugly names etcetera.”
“It`s not just the kids, it`s everyone. People drinking out of toilets,
officers laughing in front of Members of Congress. I brought it up to
their superiors, they said officers are under stressed and act out
One way those border agents appear to be acting out according to a shocking
new story from ProPublica was by making vial posts in a secret Facebook
group mocking immigrant deaths and posting sexist memes, like this post
about the congressional visit today singling out Congresswoman Veronica
Escobar of Texas and Congresswoman Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez with one person
commenting about throwing a burrito at them.
In another exchange after the death of 16-year-old Carlos Gregorio
Hernandez Vasquez at a border station in May, ProPublica reports “one
member of the group posted a GIF of Elmo with “oh well,” another responded
with an image and the words “if he dies, he dies.”
Members of Congress today drew a connection between the vile comments in
that Facebook group and the broader culture at Customs and Border
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CASTRO: That was a vulgar, disgusting, and vile page. That shows
unfortunately that there are many within CBP who will become desensitized
to the point of being dangerous to the migrants in their care and to their
REP. VERONICA ESCOBAR (D-TX): One of the things that we see in action
whether it`s the Facebook page or the chants that you`re hearing today is a
dehumanizing of people that is very dangerous to our country.
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HAYES: By the way, those were pro-Trump Detention Center protesters in the
background there jeering the members of Congress. Now, it`s not just
members of Congress sounding the alarm about Border Patrol and the
detention camps, it`s the Department of Homeland Security`s own internal
NBC News exclusive reporting the DHS inspector general warned as far back
as May that conditions at an El Paso border station were so bad that border
agents were arming themselves for possible riots. “Only for showers
available for 756 immigrants, more than half the immigrants are being held
outside, and immigrants inside were being kept in cells maxed out at more
than five times their capacity. A cell meant for a maximum of 35 held 155
adult males with only one toilet and sink. The cell was so crowded the men
could not lie down to sleep.”
The name of the El Paso Border station was redacted in a report but as a
reminder, last month a New Mexico State University professor described a
detention center in El Paso as a “human dog pound.” Now that to be clear
as a different facility than the one in Clint, Texas were reports surfaced
about children held in appalling conditions including inadequate food,
water, and sanitation.
And that is different than this detention camp that was photographed from
the air by Reuters. At this camp in McAllen, Texas, you can see adults and
children sleeping on the ground with reflective blankets apparently jury-
rigged to give them some shade.
By the time the photos were taken, around midday, Reuters reports the
ground temperature was about 89 degrees. Here with me now, one of the
members of Congress who visited those facilities in Texas today Democrat
Nanette Barragan of California. Congresswoman, what did you see today?
BARRAGAN: Well, I think from what we`ve seen today, from what we`re
reading today, and what I`ve seen personally, it`s more than a lack of
resources and funding, it`s really a lack of treating people like they`re
human beings. It`s a lack of treating people with dignity and respect that
they deserve and that is part of this problem that isn`t focused on that we
need to make sure we focus on.
HAYES: Well, part of – I mean, there seems to be two things here. CBP
facilities have been pretty awful places to be for years. The toilet sink
combo that there`s been pictures of stretch back years. Those have been
operating for a very long time.
What seems different here are the crowding conditions and the duration of
time. I mean, how long – what stretches a period of time the people you
talk to are in those facilities?
BARRAGAN: So we talked to some of the women who are being held at the
Border Patrol station in El Paso for 50 days, 70 days, there are in these
cells, these very tiny cells for extended periods of time not – there`s
really no healthy food. When I ask what`s the healthiest food you have,
they said maybe some fruit.
And so that`s a great concern. This is the area where you have members of
Congress asking to speak to the detainees. This time around they said no
which is why we basically had to force ourselves to get their attention and
ask him to open the door which they did.
When we got to Clint, Chris, they locked the kids in these rooms so we
wouldn`t talk to them and there`s a plexiglass. You had a small child,
maybe three or four years old running up to the plexiglass to try to touch
us through the glass, to try to get our attention, and asking for his
father. It`s pretty heartbreaking.
But Chris, let me tell you one more thing. There weren`t that many people.
It was quite remarkable and quite shocking. I said, where`s everybody at?
The board Patrol said, you came at the wrong time. And so, I said well,
what are you going to do with all this money with the funding that was just
allocated from Congress? And he kind of looked at me with a blank stare
and said well, it`s not going to be like this forever.
And so there`s so much inconsistency and there`s so much concern in new
policies and procedures of taking our phones away, not allowing us to talk
to people is causing concern. And for me I believe they don`t want us to
know what`s happening and they don`t want us to talk to people so we can
hear directly from them on the experience.
HAYES: We`ve got – I believe one of the members that you were in there
with Joaquin Castro of Texas just tweeted this video from inside that El
Paso facility that he managed to show which is women, you can get a sense
of what it looks like there. Women sort of crowded around cramped in the
cell for 50 days, denied showers is one of the things that he mentions in
that tweet as well.
You can kind of see here. So they`re sleeping on the ground. I mean, to
me, with the thing I keep returning to here, these conditions are terrible
but the duration of time is insane. I mean, these are facilities that it
appears to me look like they`re designed the way that like an overnight
booking cell in a local jail might be designed, like a place that people
stay for 12 to 16 hours. How is it that these folks are there for 50 to 70
days? Do you understand what is breaking down?
BARRAGAN: You`re absolutely right. That is what these are designed for.
They`re designed for a very short term a period of time and they`re there
for a very long time. And so the impact is having to their mental health.
I mean, look, Chris, these ladies were crying. They were begging for help.
They wanted out. And many of these said they had family members here in
the United States.
So I don`t understand what the holdup is. I don`t understand why they have
to be detained for 50 days, 70 days. It`s just not human to have people in
these holding cells that are meant for short term periods of time.
HAYES: I want to just – if we could keep –
BARRAGAN: And these showers. I mean, we could – that`s a whole another
HAYES: Well, I want to hear about that. I just want to keep – if we can
just to the control room, if we can keep showing this footage because I
think it`s important to stress here. It`s very hard. I mean, and I`m
wondering what your conclusion was as talking these women.
I mean, there is no – in your estimation, is there a public safety reason
for these individuals to be behind bars in this facility?
BARRAGAN: I don`t think it`s justified. I don`t think it`s necessary. We
talked to a you know, a mom who came with her child who`s 18 years old.
She was separated from her 18-year-old. They`re telling her she`s going to
be sent back to remain to Mexico and to wait there while her daughter came
on and got into the U.S.
So we had no answers today about how they`re treating people differently,
what the standards are. They wouldn`t answer questions about how they
determine who they`re going to send back. And you know, the showers.
There were three showers in Clint where the children are kept, only one of
them was working, two of them look like they were locked.
It was – it was pretty horrifying to see that these this is where they`re
keeping people and children, and there`s really no need to do this. There
are alternatives and there`s got to be quicker ways to do this as well,
Chris, so we need to continue to shine the light on what is happening at
the southern border and we have to make sure that when we allocate funding,
there`s guardrails, that there is oversight provisions.
Members of Congress should be able to show up unannounced and they`re not
allowed to do that right now.
HAYES: All right, Congresswoman Nanette Barragan, thank you so much for
that – sharing that. I really appreciate it. I want to turn now to the
Pro Publica reporter who broke the story of the secret Facebook group for
Border Patrol agents. A.C. Thompson who is an incredible investigative
reporter and thank you for your work A.C.
Describe the group itself and the scope – the size of the membership and
how you`re able to confirm that these are in fact employees of CBP and not
– and not just random trolls.
A.C. THOMPSON, REPORTER, PROPUBLICA: So there`s about 9,500 members of
this group. It`s a secret private group. You have to be invited in. It`s
essentially invisible if you`re not a member of the group and haven`t been
invited in. It`s for current and former Border Patrol as well as members
of the air and marine division of Customs and Border Protection, the people
that fly the planes and drive the boats.
What we could tell from looking at the posts is that a lot of these people
we could identify we`re legitimately active Border Patrol agents at this
moment. We can`t say how many, we can`t say what the percentage is, but
certainly, the ones that we`re looking at we can quickly connect them to
HAYES: So you were able – you did the sort of due diligence of running
down in some of the more incendiary, offensive, vile, dehumanizing posts
just to make sure that those people are actually people that work at CBP?
THOMPSON: Exactly. And we went out to CBP and said hey, you know, what
about this particular agent? What about this particular agent? What about
this supervisor? And we have not heard back from them yet. But I can
assure you that this is – you know, we have sources within the Border
Patrol at this moment saying I`m on here, other people from my unit are on
here, other people from my station are on here. This is a real thing.
HAYES: I should say that today the CBP did put out a statement. They
acknowledged the existence of the group. They did not deny it. They also
did not deny that it was members. They said they immediately informed the
DHS officers and the office of the Inspector General and initiated an
investigation. That adds to a very heavy workload for that particular OIG
who`s been cranking out reports about detention conditions.
What struck you about the tenor of the posts and the discourse in this
THOMPSON: Look, Chris, I`ve been reporting on law enforcement for more
than 20 years and I`ve seen a lot of bad stuff. But when I see members of
federal law enforcement agencies posting memes about essentially sexually
assaulting a sitting congresswoman, I`ve never seen anything like that. It
is so upsetting and so vulgar.
When I see the kind of things that are in there, making jokes about dead
migrants, making jokes about all these kind of – all these kind of stuff
that is misogynistic, that is dehumanizing towards migrant population, that
is belittling anyone that doesn`t exactly agree with the Border Patrol`s
current approach, that is really concerning to me. That`s a culture of as
has been put, desensitization and dehumanization.
HAYES: The Border Patrol Union, it`s a unionized operation of the federal
government made its first-ever presidential endorsement back in 2016 in
March, first ever for Donald Trump. Do you have a sense – do we have any
way of comparing this era, this culture that`s at least in some part of the
CBP to previous eras?
Because a lot of the reporters who have interacted with CBP have had
complaints along these lines that precede Donald Trump quite frankly, both
about the conditions in some of the facilities the CBP runs, the
terminology and words and dehumanizing insults that are sometimes hurled at
migrants. What`s your sense?
THOMPSON: Look, this has been a troubled agency for the last 16, 17 years
since it was created, right. There have been problems with internal
oversight, with not having a proper internal affairs unit, without properly
policing the members of this unit. Historically from the time it was
created, about 250 agents per year and officers of the custom service get
arrested on criminal charges. That is a concerning thing and that has gone
on through the Obama administration to now.
So there have been persistent problems. But I think what you see now are
two things. And one, there was just an audit that came out by the
Inspector General it said hey, look, we surveyed 16,000 Border Patrol
members, and 5,300 of them said I have witnessed misconduct on the job.
That`s a significant number. That`s a big number.
It`s almost you know – that`s about a third. And so the that is a
concerning thing that we see those kinds of numbers. The other thing that
I think that is concerning that we see is in the post you see this very
sort of political bent that these men and overwhelmingly they`re men making
these posts feel that they are part of some sort of political vanguard.
It`s them against the world.
And this gives them license to behave badly online. And I fear it gives
them license to behave badly – they think it gives them license to behave
badly in the real world.
HAYES: All right, A.C. Thompson, thank you for your excellent reporting.
THOMPSON: Thank you.
HAYES: If you want to learn more about the historical context of what`s
happening at the border, we have an hour-long conversation I found to be
extremely informative going up tomorrow on our podcast, Why Is This
Happening. I really encourage you to check that out.
Next, the President goes out of his way to fawn over Mohammed bin Salman,
the man who according to the CIA was the mastermind behind the murder of
journalist Jamal Khashoggi. The president and his dictators in two
HAYES: The headlines today from President Trump`s trip abroad were all
about him being the first sitting American President to set foot in North
Korea. And after the hastily arranged meeting with the North Korean
Dictator Kim Jong-un with whom Trump has previously described a love fest,
it`s very unclear whether any tangible progress is being made on North
Korea`s nuclear arsenal or any diplomacy between the two countries.
But at least some kind of open channel is better than what the U.S. is
doing with Iran for example. And in some ways the most outrageous fawning
over a dictator was not what happened with camera with Vladimir Putin, it`s
Saudi leader – it was Saudi Arabia`s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
known as MBS with the Trump administration has done everything in its power
to embolden and empower.
It`s taken policy cues from MBS getting out of the Iran deal, something as
Saudis and favored, facilitating an ongoing war in Yemen that`s producing a
humanitarian crisis, as well as doing nothing to bring accountability to
MBS who the CIA concluded ordered the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
In fact, quite the opposite. The President invited the Saudis to a
breakfast meeting and heaped MBS with praise.
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TRUMP: The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, a friend of mine, a man who has
really done things in the last five years in terms of opening up Saudi
Arabia. And I think especially what you`ve done for women, I`m seeing
what`s happening. It`s like a revolution in a very positive way and I want
to just thank you on behalf of a lot of people and I want to congratulate
you. You`ve done really a spectacular job.
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HAYES: Congressman Ilhan Omar of Minnesota is a member of the House
Foreign Affairs Committee and she joins me now. Congresswoman, what do you
see as the effects of the President speaking in that way, going out of his
way to sort of praise Mohammed bin Salman?
REP. ILHAN OMAR (D-MN): It`s really frustrating to hear this president
talk about MBS and what he`s doing with women when we know that MBS has
incarcerated the woman that have been fighting to liberate women in Saudi
But as they say, you know, you judge a man by the company he keeps. And in
the ways that he`s cozied up to dictators around the world really tells us
a lot about the kind of corrupt dictator in the making Trump is.
I remember when he was running for office. He was asked once what he
thought about Saudi Arabia, and he said you know, they spend $40 million,
$50 million in my hotels. They`re great. Why would I think of them as an
enemy? All he thinks about is how he`s going to enrich himself, doesn`t
really pay attention to the kind of devastation some of these dictators are
causing within their countries and around the world.
You heard today as he referenced Kim and how healthy he appeared without
worrying about the health and the well-being of the starving people of
North Korea. The kind of ways that he is really leading our foreign
policies, making a lot of our allies worry, and I am very concerned.
HAYES: I want to play you what he said about MBS specifically on the
question of Khashoggi which is something that the man was an American
resident and a columnist for an American newspaper. So there`s some stake
here, some equity for the American government. This is his response. I
want to play it and get your reaction. Take a listen.
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TRUMP: If you look, and look into Saudi Arabia you see what`s happening.
13 people or so have been prosecuted, others are being prosecuted. They`ve
taken it very, very seriously. Nobody so far has pointed directly a finger
at the future king of Saudi Arabia.
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HAYES: We should note that both the CIA and the U.N. had pointed a finger
at MBS but what do you make of that?
OMAR: And we know that MBS`s hands are unclean. I mean, our own CIA has
concluded that he had a hand in the brutal murder of Khashoggi. We know
that this is – this is a king – a crown prince who really threatens
women, and uses force, who as incarcerated so many political prisoners in
his country who in some accounts even has his own mother under house
arrests and other members within the kingdom.
This is not a friend. This isn`t a good person. This isn`t someone who is
moving the needle in any decent way. This is someone who has helped cause
one of the worst humanitarian crises in the way – in the fight in Yemen.
This is someone we should be holding accountable. This is someone who we
should be pushing to do better. This isn`t someone we should be talking
about as a friend.
HAYES: Final question. You referred to the president in his sort of ardor
for strongmen and dictators as a dictator in making himself. What do you
mean by that?
OMAR: I mean, he has an affinity that is to dictators. We`ve seen in the
ways that he gets excited when he talks about dictators is very different
in the ways that he talks about other democratic leaders around the world.
When he talks about Putin, when he talks about Kim, when he talks about
MBS, there`s a little light in his eyes as if he almost envies and kind of
wants to be like them.
That should be very alarming to the people of our country. And I know what
a making of a dictator looks like and I`ve said that since the day he`s
gotten sworn in. We should be very worried.
HAYES: All right, Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, thank you so much for your
time. Still ahead, our first post-Democratic debate polling numbers, who
saw the most significant changes, after this.
HAYES: It`s been well established in both polling and reporting and well,
through common sense that Democratic voters desperate to defeat Trump have
electability at the top of their minds as they evaluate the various
The problem, however, is that no one really knows what electable means or
what it looks like. One thing thatƒ_Ts for sure is that whichever
candidate is best suited to take on Trump is not going to be decided
abstractly or theoretically in a vacuum but by actually watching the actual
candidates actually compete for the nomination and we`re already seeing the
We just got our first posted polls one from Morning Consult shows Warren
and Harris tied for third place with Harris up six points from the previous
week. Bernie Sanders is second and Joe Biden leads with 33 percent of the
support, down five points from the previous week.
A CNN poll shows larger motion. Joe Biden leading with 22 percent, but
that`s a dip of 10 points since May. Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren
both saw significant bumps in support in this poll, getting 17 percent and
15 percent respectively, while Bernie Sanders got a 14 percent support, a
drop of 4 percent.
When it comes to which Democrat is likely to beat Donald Trump, it`s
interesting to note the
former vice president still leads by a much wider margin in the CNN poll,
30 points higher than his nearest rival.
To talk about what`s happening here, I`m joined by Neera Tanden, president
and CEO of the Center for American Progress, and Waleed Shahid,
communications director for Justice Democrats.
Neera, one of the questions I think this all comes down to is in terms of
approaching or thinking about the primary voters is should they be thinking
about what other people think is electable, what other people are going to
like, what other people – what will defeat Trump or should they just look
at what they`re seeing and respond in a first order sense to what they`re
seeing? What do you think?
NEERA TANDEN, PRESIDENT, CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS: I mean, I think
what actually happened on Thursday is that people were responding to what
HAYES: Yes, agreed.
TANDEN: I think what really happened was I think for all of these
candidates, part of electability is are you going to be tough enough to
take on Trump? Trump fights dirty. He fights in a way that previous
candidates, previous Republican nominees haven`t – haven`t fought. He
took a candidate that was, you know, pretty tough, had issues here or there
maybe, but Hillary Clinton was known as a tough candidate, has seen through
a lot, and he still defeated her. So I think this was a particular burden
for every candidate.
And I think what happened with Kamala is that she demonstrated in real time
that she is tough
enough and capable enough to prosecute the case. As she`d been, you know,
she`d been touting that she`s a prosecutor who can make the case against
him, then she demonstrated it in real time with both a personal story as
well as a basic argument.
And I think that`s why she did so well.
HAYES: What do you think, Waleed, about this sort of question about like
thinking about electability as its own thing versus thinking how you think
– how dynamic, compelling, persuasive the
candidates are just as you watch them as a Democratic primary voter.
WALEED SHAHID, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, JUSTICE DEMOCRATS: Yeah, well, in
the polling right now, the candidate that Democrats are choosing as the
most electable, the most likely to beat Donald Trump is obviously Joe Biden
at number one, and then Bernie Sanders at number two, and then Elizabeth
Warren and Kamala Harris following. They`re all pretty different
Democrats, so that variety of electability keeps changing.
And then at the same time, like, we have these voters right now in the most
polarized time in
politics where we have conservatives who are just going to vote for the
candidate who is not a Democrat and Democrats who are going to vote for a
candidate who is not a Republican. And meanwhile, there are all these
working-class voters and young voters who stayed at home in 2016 that
Democrats have to figure out how to inspire, and that you see some talk of
it in the media and, and amongst voters about who is going to actually
activate and energize the base. But that`s a whole different equation of
electability that I think we also saw on stage with different candidates
hold Joe Biden accountable for his record, whether that`s busing or Iraq or
any of these things.
TANDEN: I mean…
HAYES: Go ahead, Neera.
TANDEN: I think – I think the electability question has actually changed
if you look at
the CNN poll today. Of course, it`s just one poll.
TANDEN: Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren are both seen as more electable
than any of their rivals. So I think these issues – this debate changed a
lot of perceptions and it changed in real time. I do think this is a big
question for the Democratic Party about what to, you know, what is the
electoral coalition? What happened in 2018 was that Democrats were both
able to really bring out the base. Millennials voted at very high levels,
people of color voted at historically high levels for a midterm, and bring
moderate voters back. A lot of Trump voters, particularly in the Midwest,
came back to the Democratic Party.
So I think this is a big question of what the coalition is. But there is -
- there is the possibility of not having to trade off, to put together a
broad coalition, and in a way that is exactly what Barack Obama did in both
2008 and 2012.
HAYES: Yeah, one thing that`s always good – because we all live on these,
like, cross tabs in
democratic subgroups, it`s always the case you can do better by just doing
a little better with everyone, that`s always an option.
HAYES: That like just you don`t have to necessarily make some trade, like
you`re trading players on a team.
TANDEN: Yes, it`s always better to do better with everyone. That is a
lesson of politics.
HAYES: One thing that`s striking to me, Waleed, that Alex Burns pointed
out, which I think
just signals to where we are in this race in terms of time, is that in
March Biden and Sanders, who I think are the two best-known names, were at
47 percent, today combined at 36 percent.
I think one of the things I think you`re seeing, Waleed, is that, you know,
a lot of that early polling, March, April, May, June, is a lot of it is
name recognition. The race really does kind of start now.
SHAHID: Yeah, one debate could really shift things, as we saw with the
debate last week with Kamala Harris kind of going after Joe Biden`s record
on busing and school desegregation. What I was mentioning earlier is that
there are other constituencies in the Democratic electorate that might get
activated toward different candidates and shift through being exposed to
the front-runner, Joe Biden`s record, on various issues where he`s a little
out of touch with, or a lot out of touch with where the Democratic base is,
such as the Iraq war, the Anita Hill hearings, his controversy over the
Hyde amendment, unfair trade deals, you can imagine Elizabeth Warren,
Castro, Bernie Sanders, doing kind of the same thing that Kamala Harris did
and being aggressive, personal, and persuasive about why Joe Biden`s
leadership and record is not really in touch with where the party is at
HAYES: One of the things that I think Joe Biden`s campaign team and Biden
himself is probably talking about right now is, like, what the – how they
talk about the 40-year record that he has.
SHAHID: You would think they would have figured that out before his
HAYES: Right, but it`s a long record, right? I mean, like, it`s one of
the things – it`s one of the
differences between running with a small record or, you know, three or four
years of votes and 40 years of votes is you talk about how you`re going to
talk about those 40 years of votes and that`s in some ways the central
question I think for Biden.
SHAHID: It`s clear the strategy has been to not apologize, to double down
so far. It might change, but for now it has been to not apologize.
TANDEN: The truth is a lot of candidates have long records in this race,
and so I do think the big question – look, I was in debates that the first
debate went really well for candidates. So back in 2007, Barack Obama had
a terrible first debate.
HAYES: Terrible. I remember it.
TANDEN: And people really counted him out. And, you know, he managed to
do pretty well in the process. So it is just the beginning of this
process, and I think Joe Biden, and others, will have a lot to prove in the
HAYES: All right. Neera Tanden, Waleed Shahid, thank you both for joining
TANDEN: Still ahead, the president`s daughter tags along at the G20. It
didn`t go great. We`ll talk about that.
Plus, tonight`s Thing one, Thing two starts next.
HAYES: Thing One tonight, it was an unusual working weekend for Donald
was in Asia at the G20 meeting instead of on the golf course. And maybe it
was the jet lag or the
change in routine or something, but he had some moments, like when a
reporter asked him about the Biden/Harris busing debate.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: It has been doing that they`ve done for a long period of time. I
mean, you know, there aren`t that many ways you`re going to get people to
schools. So this is something that`s been done – in some cases it`s been
done with a hammer instead of a velvet glove. And, you know, that`s part
of it. So – but it is certainly a primary method of getting people to
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: I mean, it`s true. Also, the wheels on the bus go round and round.
But I don`t think that was really the question.
Later, someone asked for his reaction to Putin`s comments about the decline
of,quote, “western-style liberalism,” you know, foundation of democracy in
Europe and America, and the Trans-Atlantic alliance, and a thing that maybe
Donald Trump has never heard of.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: He sees what`s going on, and I guess if you look at what`s
happening in Los Angeles where it`s so sad to look, and what`s happening in
San Francisco, and a couple of other cities, which are run by an
extraordinary group of liberal people. I don`t know what they`re thinking.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: Western liberalism. OK, anyway there was one more answer from the
president that made our ears perk up because it returned to one of his –
one of our favorite Trump ticks, the old exaggerated numbers routine. And
that`s Thing Two in 60 seconds.
HAYES: So Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin got the chance to spend some
quality time together while they were beth in Japan for G20 summit over the
weekend. And in between friendly chitchat about election melding, Trump
says Putin invited him to visit Russia next year for the 75th anniversary
of the allies victory over the Nazis in World War II.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: He did invite me to Russia for the defeat of Nazis. That was a big
thing. Defeat of Nazis.
You know, Russia lost he said 25 million people. I had actually heard 50
million people, bud he said yesterday that Russia fighting the Nazis, they
lost 25 million people.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: Do you see what he did there? Putin told him the number, 25
million, but Trump says he heard it was 50 million. And that`s because
whenever Donald Trump hears a number, no matter what the number is or what
it signifies or what it`s counting, he`s got to make it bigger.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: We`ve created almost 500,000, soon it`s going to be 600,000
We used to have vets that would wait in line for seven days, 20 days, 30
days, I`ve heard up to 38 days.
Two days. Five days. 20 days. 30 days. 50 days.
To build a highway in this country would take 17, 18, 20 and even 21 years.
You could have lost 30, 40, 50 million people.
401(k)s are up 30, 40, in some cases much higher than that percent.
Well, they have 90, they have 92 and they have 93 percent.
They have massive tariffs on us, 50 in one case, 100 percent, in some cases
more than that.
You know, Russia lost he said 25 million people. I had actually heard 50
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: John Bolton, Donald Trump`s notoriously hawkish national security
adviser, was notably absent when the president stepped into North Korea
this weekend. Bolton was instead dispatched to Mongolia where he tweeted a
picture with the Mongolian secretary of state and claimed to be delighted
with the assignment.
Bolton was not delighted with the New York Times report indicating the
Trump White House is scaling back its demanding on denuclearization from
North Korea. Bolton called the report a reprehensible attempt by someone
to box in the president, adding darkly, there should be consequences.
You can understand him getting a bit prickly since he`s the guy who is
running the National Security Council and yet somehow didn`t end up on the
Korea leg of the trip.
But you know who was there, America`s newest diplomat, Ivanka Trump, who
joined a meeting with North Korean despot Kim Jong-un and announced to the
world that we are on the precipice of
ushering in a potentially golden era for the Korean Peninsula. OK.
During the trip, Trump referred to the combination of his daughter and the
Secretary of State
Mike Pompeo as beauty and the beast.
As for Ivanka`s diplomating, we got to see her in action from a video
posted by a French government where she tried to participate in a
conversation in Japan involving the leaders of France, Britain and Canada
and the head of the IMF, Christine Lagarde.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: …social justice.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As soon as you start with that, (inaudible)…a lot
of people start
listening who wouldn`t otherwise listen.
IVANKA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP`S DAUGHTER: And the same on the defense side,
in terms of the whole sort of – it`s been very male-dominated, so…
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: That video, and Ivanka`s presence in Korea in general, garnered
plenty of criticism. Eric Swalwell noted she has no foreign policy or
diplomacy experience. And Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez wrote that being
someone`s daughter actually isn`t a career qualification.
On Twitter under the hashtag #unwantedivanka, people PhotoShopped her into
various scenes. There she is alongside Martin Luther King Jr., and taking
the mic at the Yalta Conference next to Winston Churchill, and peering from
the water during Rose and Jack`s last moments together.
The awkward Ivanka adventure was another reminder that you are not the only
one who finds this situation strange. As Bobby Ghosh reported, a foreign
diplomat telling him in 2017, quote, “we regard Ivanka Trump the way we do
half-wit Saudi princes. It`s in our national interest to flatter them.”
But this assault on our democratic norms is just what Donald Trump does.
Next up, he`s coming for the Fourth of July, adding a military showcase and
a Trump speech to the previously non-partisan celebration. Get ready for
the Trump of July next.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: I was your guest at Bastille Day. And it was one of the greatest
parades I have ever seen. It was two hours on the button, and it was
military might. Because of what I witnessed, we may do something like that
on July 4 in Washington down Pennsylvania Avenue.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: Well, Donald Trump is getting his wish. Ever since he witnessed
firsthand the French Bastille Day military parade two years ago, he has
wanted one of his very own. He tried to order up one last year for the day
before Veteran`s Day, but it was nixed by the Pentagon because of the cost
and, well, concerns about tanks rolling down the streets of D.C. ripping up
the urban pavement.
But now, Trump is converting the heretofore non-partisan public July 4
celebration in D.C. into a Trump rally/military showcase, complete with
Trump speech, fighter jets flying overhead, and of course, brand-new tanks.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: It`s a salute to America, and I`m going to be here. I`m going to
say a few words. And we are going to have planes going overhead, the best
fighter jets in the world, and other planes, too. And we are going to have
some tanks stationed outside. It`s going to be pretty careful with the
tanks because the roads have a tendency not to like to carry heavy tanks,
so we have to put them in certain areas. But we have the brand new Sherman
tanks brand-new tanks and we have the brand-new Abram tanks.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: Joining me now, a Washington Post senior national affairs
correspondent Julian Eilperin, who has been covering Trump`s grandiose July
4 plans. Also with me, former White House cabinet secretary and assistant
to the president, Chris Liu.
Julia, can you let me know where we are on all this? Like what is the
latest. It seems like there is kind of negotiations between the White
House and the fantasies of the president and the realities of what it would
actually mean. So, where have we ended up so far?
JULIA EILPERIN, THE WASHINGTON POST: Really the negotiations are still
going on which is interesting. There was an expectation that it was going
to be resolved today, but really at the president who came – being public
about this after we`ve reported this morning that he wanted tanks and other
armored vehicles on the Mall in kind of a stationary position around the
Lincoln Memorial is indicating that this will go ahead, but our
understanding is that people are still evaluating to what extent you can
have these heavy pieces of equipment – we`re talking about more than 60
tons for the Abrams tanks – positioned on the National Mall without
damaging what is obviously part of the National Park System.
So, while we certainly do expect that at this point there will be some of
this equipment on the
Mall for the Fourth of July, there is still a question of how you can do
this safely without damaging park resources.
HAYES: Chris, I guess let me – I guess here would be the devil`s advocate
defense of this undertaking, like, you know, what`s so bad about a display
of military might? You know, yes, we associate it with some dictatorships
and un-free places, but there are free democracies like France, for
instance, that have this sort of thing. And, you know, it`s a big
patriotic holiday. What`s the problem with this?
CHRIS LIU, FORMER ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT BARACK OB AMA: Well, look, there
is certainly the cost aspect. There is the safety of the street aspect.
But there is simply the precedent of this. I have lived in Washington,
D.C. and this area for the last 45 years. I mean, this is one of those
wonderful institutions we have in the city where people come out, they
barbecue, they watch fireworks, they hear some music, no president has
tried to meddle in this.
And if you`ll remember the last time we had any kind of dust up about July
4 was 1983 when then Secretary of the Interior James Watt didn`t like the
Beach Boys and then got slapped down by Ronald Reagan. Since then, you
know, this has been a uniquely nonpartisan event.
And a couple of things just to consider here, this is a president whose
campaign still owes $7 million to D.C. from the inauguration that it hasn`t
haven`t paid. This is also the National Park Service, as Julia pointed
out, where this is going to be held, as $12 billion of deferred maintenance
projects, that`s roads and bridges and buildings in national parks that
need to be repaired, and instead that money is going to be going for this
giant vanity project of Donald Trump.
HAYES: Well, and there is, also, Julia, I mean there`s concerns about the
sort of partisanship, right. That – I mean, yes, he is the president of
the United States, so, you know, he gives speeches in that role, but there
is new that is the RNC is distributing tickets to the July 4 Salute to
America event, essentially a kind of like VIP seating for donors? What`s
EILPERIN: Well, there certainly will be VIP seating. There will be a
restricted area. Again, all of this is coming together at the last minute.
The distribution system is unclear even to some top administration
officials, so they are assembling this now, but is no question that the
president will be delivering remarks that certainly supporters of the
president will be getting tickets. They are saying they`re not charging
for tickets, but obviously there is a question of who is receiving them,
had they supported the president financially or are they supporting his
reelection campaign? So, that will be happening.
And in addition, of course, now there will be protests on the National
Mall during the Fourth of July celebration, which again in itself is
unusual. You don`t usually have protests because generally people are in
favor of fireworks, although obviously some people aren`t. And so as a
result you are really going to have a political element one way or another
regardless of, for example, what the president says, although, you know,
that – it could be a very innocuous celebratory speech about the nation or
it could have more of a political tinge at this point. It`s hard to tell.
HAYES: I mean, Chris, you could have thousands of people screaming lock
her up with the monuments behind them and fireworks going off.
LIU: I mean, Chris,s if the VIP tickets were going to people like Nancy
Pelosi and Maxine Waters, then great. I suspect that`s not what`s
And let`s just consider this is a president from day one of his
administration went to sacred
ground and Langley and CIA headquarters and made a political speech. And
every time he has a chance, whether it`s handing off the commander-in-chief
trophy to a winning football team or
speaking to American military, every time he can rise above it and be
presidential, he turns it into a political speech. And so he can`t control
himself. And there is no reason to expect that he would do that here.
HAYES: This is definitely going to happen, Julia?
EILPERIN: Yes. And it`s worth saying, you know, we are going to have the
biggest fireworks display that Washington has ever had. So, there
certainly will be a much more elaborate fireworks display. We`re going to
have the Blue Angels flying, so there will be a flight show that we haven`t
had in the past, so there is no question that this is going to be a really
major celebration. And some people are going to love it and some people
will not. And so we will just have to see how that transpires.
HAYES: We will see how it goes.
Julia Eilperin and Chris Liu, thank you both for being with me.
That is ALL IN for this evening. “THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW” starts right
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