All In with Chris Hayes, Transcript 10/4/17 Press conference from LVPD


Date: October 4, 2017

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HAYES: Good evening from New York, I`m Chris Hayes. At this hour we`re
waiting for a press conference by the law enforcement in Las Vegas, Nevada
and It has begun. We`re going to listen in to what officials have to say.

terrible response. So thank you for being courteous with the mic this
time. Well, good evening. Obviously, I`m Sheriff Joe Lombardo with Clark
County. This has been – this will be one of many press conferences we
have provided in order to provide the public information that is occurring.
And then so the sequence of these events tonight, I will provide you some -
- I will provide you a sequence of some updates of the investigation as we
have moved forward since the last time we spoke with you. Any specifics or
continuance of any global investigative leads that you need to be aware of,
Special Agent Aaron Rouse will provide those, that information associated
with that. OK? And then subsequently I will return to the podium, assist
with some Q&A and then Commissioner Sisolak is available if you have any
questions of the Commissioner. And then obviously we have Senator Dean
Heller who wished to address the audience also.

So, President Trump, I think he was in town today. Yes, he was in town.
And the reason why I bring up President Trump is nothing to do in fact with
President Trump but to do with the Police Department. There was some
concern because of his visit that investigations associated with this case
would be delayed or hindered. And I`m here to assure you none of that
occurred. There was a separation of personnel associated with first
responders of the Harvest Festival event that took the opportunity to meet
with Mr. Trump and he had the opportunity to congratulate them for their
heroic acts. The investigators are directly related to this investigation,
both on my department and the FBI were not part of that.

So I want everybody assured, there was no hindrance in continuance of the
investigation. Return of property. There`s a lot of questions going on
with that. And I wish I could provide you answers with that. We will try
to post on when as soon as we and advise victims when they can
receive their personal property. We are still evaluating the crime scene.
Until that completes, the property phase will not occur. So the best – my
understanding of where we`re at, we`re looking at four to five days. So I
know that sounds troublesome but it`s important that we dot the I`s and
cross the T`s as the evidentiary and possible prosecution in the future.

Injuries, injury numbers that we`re using today, 489. Of that 489, 317
have been discharged from the hospital. So the question is, Sheriff, you
provided several different numbers associated with that all the way up to
527. Now, you got to imagine we`re disbursed across several hospitals,
we`re relying on internal communication of the hospital to provide us
accurate numbers. So that`s ever-changing. And additionally, hospitals
receive patients outside of this event. So quite often – hopefully not
quite often, but often some of those patients were double counted or they
were misconstrued as event injuries versus other injuries such as car
accidents. So today, I`m comfortable on saying the injured number is 489.
Deaths still remain at 59. I had told you 59 before plus one, being the
suspect. That changed.

Today it`s 58 plus one, the suspect, 59. And it`s the same reason that
occurred before as I explained. So hopefully you understand that. Nobody
wants that number to go up and by the grace of God, it went down. So
that`s a good night. So today I will provide you updates on the
investigation of the mass shooting Sunday night, Route 91. More than 100
(AUDIO GAP) spent the last 72 hours combing through the live of 64-year-old
Stephen Paddock to produce a profile of someone I will call disturbed and

What we know is Stephen Paddock is a man who spent decades acquiring
weapons and ammo, and living a secret life, much of which would never be
fully understood. He meticulously planned on the worst domestic attack in
United States history. As many of you already reported, Paddock rented a
room at the Ogden Hotel in Downtown Las Vegas. This has been confirmed.
OK? Reasons that ran through paddock`s mind is unknown but it was directly
during the same time as life is beautiful. We have received – recovered
evidence from that location. We don`t know if it is evidence but we have
recovered items and video evidence. And I don`t – you know what? I`m
using the wrong term. Evidence is not the term. We have recovered video
from there to review Mr. Paddock`s actions while he was there. Now, it`s
important for you to understand this was not – the rooms were not rented
by the Ogden. It was done through Airbnb by a private owner unknown to the

So we have very great cooperation from the owners of Life is Beautiful and
the Ogden and they`re in full cooperation. While we have already spoken to
many people who had contact with Stephen Paddock at hotels and places he
frequented, we still have more interview to conduct. Since Monday there
have been many questions for us to release a timeline and today we have
one. I want to point out the information previously reported on the time
of the first shot was based on a cad report, that`s a computer-aided
dispatch. That`s what we do for calls for service. So that report is
dependent on who the – you know, a particular person calling in on that
time stamp. But what we have done through the review of body-worn cameras,
we were able to pull it back to previously from 10:08 to 10:05. So Carlos?

So I`m going to give you the chance to review that, take photographs of it
and I`ll walk you through each timeline. So at 10:05 the first shots fired
by the suspect. This was seen on closed-circuit television from the
concert venue. 10:12 first two officers arrived on the 31st floor
announcing that gunfire is coming directly above them. 10:15 last shots
were fired from the suspect through body worn camera. So if you`re looking
at the math, ten minutes. 10:17 the first two officers arrive on the 32nd
floor. 10:18 security officer tells the MPD officers he was shot and gives
the exact location of the suspect`s room.

Now you notice a minute, delta there before they broadcasted it obviously
they were in a conversation with the security guard immediately upon them
exiting the elevators. Between 10:26 and 10:30, eight additional officers
arrived on the 32nd floor and begin to move systematically down the hallway
clearing each room and looking for any injured people. This – they move
this way because they no longer hear the gunfire of the active shooter
situation. 10:55, eight officers arrived in the stairwell at the opposite
end of the hallway nearest the suspect`s room. So when I say nearest to
suspect`s room, you can imagine the doorway of the hotel room, this
stairwell, and this door access is approximately two to three feet away.
11:20, the first breach was set off and officers entered the suspect`s

They observed the suspect down on the ground and also saw a second door
that could not be accessed from their position. So, it`s a sweep and you
have – there`s – you have a main area of the suite which is the living
room, kitchen dining area and then on opposite ends of that is two
bedrooms. I`m sorry. Where did I leave off? Somebody yell it out. OK.
So if you do the math on that, all the way up to 11:20 from 10:05, we`re
looking at 75 minutes. So young lady in the front with the red phone, you
had mentioned 72 minutes, so now you see where those minutes came from.
OK. At 11:27 a second breach was setoff allowing officers to access the
second room and no one – on one else was located within the hotel room.

These are following extenuating circumstances as to why it may appeared
that there was delay or undue delay in reaching the suspects. OK. The
officers in the first strike team reached the 32nd floor within 12 minutes
which is phenomenal of the first shot being fired. When the officers
arrived and confirmed the location of the suspect`s room, the gunfire had
stopped. In accordance with their training, the officers retrieved a
master key card from the entrance security guard and began to
systematically clear each hotel room. So, imagine the elevator bank in the
center, 150 feet down on a triplex hotel was the suspect`s room. So
there`s several rooms along the way because no firing was occurring, they
could not hear additional firing, they believed it was important to
evacuate in case the suspect was barricaded.

While the first strike team did this, the second team made up of two K9
personnel, a SWAT officer and patrol officers navigated at numerous stairs
wearing heavy tactical gear, carrying a large bag with tactical equipment
and holding rifles in order to have a closer position to the suspect`s
room. And that is within that stairwell in that doorway adjacent to the
room I described previously. They attempted to secure the front doorway of
the suspect`s room but as they entered into the hallway they could see the
room service cart and readily apparent on the room service cart were
cameras. So they pulled back and they waited for the approach of a full
SWAT team. Keep in mind, this delay was not undue. It was purposeful and
no shots were being heard by the suspect at this point.

Eventually, a plan was formulated, entry was made, suspect was seen laying
on the ground, they encountered a closed bedroom door which was locked and
they breached that door additionally and found no other suspect. Another
investigative issue was cameras. Questions were presented about cameras
and whether they were recording. We determined none of the cameras were
recording. There was two cameras on the room service cart out in the
hallway, there was one on the peephole of the front door and additionally,
there was a baby monitor camera placed in the general family area of the
hotel room. None of them were being recorded.

One thing I left out was the initial approach and they looked out in the
hallway when they observed the cameras on the room service cart, it was
obviously there were several rounds discharged through the door and through
the blasts of the bullets through the door, you could actually see a weapon
through those openings in the door but no suspect was seen. Now those
rounds were the strafing rounds that he put through the door in order to
shoot at the security guard. OK. The other thing I wanted to update you
on is the search warrant of the suspect`s vehicle located at the Mandalay
Bay. I had presented that there was ammonium nitrate recovered but there
were several cases within the car that had not been searched yet at the
last briefing I provided with you. So within those cases, there was ten
one-pound containers of tannerite, two 20-pound containers of tannerite,
and approximately 1,600 rounds of ammunition. So Carlos, can you put up
the numbers?

So, tip line. This is an ongoing investigation. We can never not have
enough information because we are continuing to run down leads and it`s
important for us to get all of the information we can on Mr. Paddock.
Because right now we`re trying to prove his intent or understand his intent
and the history associated with this and whether or not he has any
accomplices. So we asked people to still call into 311. If you`re out of
state 702-828-311, and then the FBI, 1-800-CALL-FBI. And that is
investigative and also for electronic media. If you`re able to call them,
they will provide you the ability to download that online into their
system. So at this point, I will provide you Special Agent-In-Charge,
Aaron Rouse and he will walk you through some of the investigative steps we
have accomplished jointly and where we`re at in that total investigation.
Subsequent to that, I will come back to the podium for any Q&A and then we
will have Commissioner Sisolak and Senator Dean Heller make comments.
Thank you.

AARON ROUSE, SPECIAL AGENT, FBI: Thank you, Sheriff. My name is Aaron
Rouse, I`m the Special Agent-In-Charge for the Las Vegas Division of the
FBI. Before I begin, I just want to comment that on behalf of all of the
FBI, specifically the Las Vegas Division, our sympathy goes out to all of
the families affected by this tragedy. This is our community. It`s our
community too. We live here. And we will get through this together. The
FBI has had a great partnership, continues to have a great partnership with
the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department as well as our other state and
local officials. To say that this investigation will take a while is not
surprising. So there`s a lot of information that`s going to change over
time as we determine more facts.

But this is what I can tell you. Our resolve is firm. We will get to the
bottom of this, no matter how long it takes. The FBI has deployed over 100
personnel from across the nation to assist the Las Vegas Division in this
investigation. This includes victim-witness assistance, EAP counselors,
evidence technicians and technical assets. Not to mention additional
agents to help cover leads. The information that the public provides us is
going to help us solve this. But we must focus on facts. We cannot give
in to conjecture and we cannot respond to every little Twitter feed that
may indicate a theory. We need to focus on the facts. You need us to be
right. You expect us to be right and we want to be right.

There`s going to be questions, I`m sure you`re going to have questions,
about some of people that we`ve been talking to, maybe people outside of
the United States. The fundamental trust of the American people and the
FBI is based upon our discretion and how good would that discretion be if
we were to provide information that they provided to us in confidence.
This is about informing on an investigation, this is about resolving an
investigation. So specifics regarding any individual contact cannot be
answered. You need us, you trust us and the way we have that trust is by
using good discretion about what we share.

Additionally, we have multiple leads all across the United States and all
across the world. To our legal attache, determining the whereabouts and
travel patterns of all the people involved in this investigation. And that
list grows. A lot of the leads will go absolutely nowhere but we have to
follow them and that`s going to take some time. Patience is going to be
required of all of us. I know that we have the patience of the Police
Department because we have a great partnership and we`re all interested in
the same thing, resolving this issue fairly and factually. With that, I`ll
turn it back over to Sheriff Lombardo.

LOMBARDO: OK. Happy to answer questions and please provide some decorum.


LOMBARDO: Yes sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know you had the opportunity, the FBI (INAUDIBLE).
We know that you (INAUDIBLE), we know you got access to his computers his
cell phones and so forth. And while you`re not yet able to tell us exactly
– you know, specifically what you`ve found, let me ask you generally.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Through all of the information that you`ve so far
arrived at, is there anything that gives you a sense as to what was going
on with this man and what the motive might be, without saying what it is.
Are you seeing anything that gives you a direction or any kind of an answer
to that question?

LOMBARDO: Globally, no. I`m sorry to report no. Me personally but I`m
not privy to the subsequent interviews that were conducted today. The FBI
is not ready to disclose, for public consumption, what occurred in those
interviews as of yet. Sorry for that answer. Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His family said to our attorney that during the course
of her time with the suspect that she never saw her heard anything that
suggested that he would carry out an act like this. You also said that you
were looking for other people associated with (INAUDIBLE) information
specifically that there`s a woman that you`re looking for to talk to that
may have been associated with the suspect. Is that true? You also said in
your comments –

LOMBARDO: Are you going to give me a chance to answer? Can you start from
the beginning?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sorry. It`s about Ms. Danley about her comments to her
lawyer that she had no idea what was going on.

LOMBARDO: I think any person put in her situation would probably answer
the same way. But like I said, we`re not privy to the investigative leads
that were obtained today. Mr. Rouse could probably give you some better
clarification to that. I haven`t been briefed by the FBI on that interview
as of yet. What was the other question, Sir?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said that you`re still trying to figure out whether
he had any accomplices.

LOMBARDO: Right. Yes, we`re obviously going through that. It`s
troublesome that this individual was able to move this amount of gear into
a hotel room unassisted. It`s troublesome for the amount of stuff he had
at both residences unassisted. So there`s people that know this
individual. There`s people that can help us understand this individual.
Because you know, interestingly enough, I read periodical today, earlier
today. It was from an FBI profiler that didn`t understand this individual.
Usually, there`s a telltale sign associated with these types of actions,
you know, reclusive, a plethora of things associated with this mindset and
we have not found that yet. So what could be more beneficial than to find
people that are associated with him either by friendship or accomplice, and
for us to determine that?



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two questions Sheriff. First, you mentioned in your
comments he had a secret life. What do you mean by that?

LOMBARDO: Well, most of us – not most of us. I don`t. I don`t live
through social media. OK. There`s a lot of us that live through social
media in today`s world. There`s a lot of people that are interactive in
the public. There`s a lot of people that have workmates. This individual
is retired. We found out that he has some real estate investments.
Relationship wise it`s very hard to determine what has occurred in his life
in the last decade or so. We do know that he has an wife – ex-wife. She
didn`t lead us to any knowledge. We know that everybody knows we talked to
his brother. No knowledge was obtained. So anything that would indicate
this individual`s trigger point and that would cause him to do such harm,
we haven`t understood it yet. And I think it`s important for us to get
there. And you have to be patient with us because this premeditation of
this room, this is well thought out. So don`t you think the concealment of
his history or his life was well thought out. And it`s incumbent upon us
as professionals to figure that out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then besides what he did, that horrific act, are
there any other signs of a mental breakdown?

LOMBARDO: I`m not aware. I personally have not been briefed on some of
his personal background. I`m leaving that to the experts. And I haven`t
been updated on that yet. So it`s going to be frustrating for you
obviously. But you got to remember, and I`ve said it a hundred times.
This is an investigation and we can`t be delayed by providing information
that would delay our information or cause an individual to go underground.
You know all that. Everybody in – sitting before knows that. And I just
need you to understand it. OK. It`s important for you to convey to the
public we`re doing everything that we possibly can do to bring this to
fruition. And I think we`re doing that and I ask you for your patience.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) of your investigation you discovered that
perhaps Paddock might have been targeting another concert a week before the
concert –

LOMBARDO: Yes I mentioned that he obtained a room at Ogden which is
located in downtown at the same time that Life Is Beautiful was being
conducted. Was he doing pre-surveillance? We don`t know yet. OK. This
is all conjecture at this point. And that`s why it is important for us to
have boots on the ground getting the answers.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s information out there that the door to the
stairwell, the 32nd floor was barricaded and possibly welded shut. Can you
confirm whether that door was welded shut?

LOMBARDO: It was not welded shut but it was secured.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sheriff, have you determined whether he had visitors
in his room while he was at the hotel?

LOMBARDO: No, not – as of yet, no.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sorry, no – not –

LOMBARDO: As of yet no. We haven`t been able to determine if there`s been
anybody else in the room beside him.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With the tannerite in the car, does that lead you to
believe that he might have been planning a bigger attack?

LOMBARDO: Speculation. I`ll leave you for your own free will on that
speculation. But you know, it remains in the car for some reason.
Ricardo? Ricardo?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there an estimate of how many rounds he fired and is
there an estimate of how many rounds he didn`t fire found in the room?

LOMBARDO: No, just – I`ll give you my personal preview. That will come
out in the public space. No, the rounds haven`t been counted yet. There`s
a lot of evidentiary recovered. Systems are taking in place prior to the
recovery of the rounds. But there was well in excess of thousands of
rounds still present in the room.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the leaked photos there was a yellow, what
appeared to be a yellow note. Can you tell us anything about that?

LOMBARDO: No, I don`t – I can`t recall.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A suicide note or anything?

LOMBARDO: No, it was not a suicide note. I`m comfortable in saying that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, where is Marilou Danley now and is she still a
person of interest?

LOMBARDO: OK, everything to do with Marilou Danley I will have Special
Agent Rouse address that. OK. If you have any questions outside of that,
we can – we can circle back on that. Stephanie?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is for Agent Rouse about Marilou Danley.

LOMBARDO: OK, we`ll circle back on that. You guys want to know how I know
her name? She was eating lunch next to me today and introduced herself.
She`s from Australia.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, do you know what caused him to stop shooting?

LOMBARDO: Very good question. No, I do not know. I don`t know if – this
is my assumption, only my assumption, and nobody has been able to dispel my
assumption as of today. I believe because of his countermeasures placed in
the peephole and in the hallway, he observed the security guard and he was
in fear that he was about to be breached. So he was doing everything
possible to figure out how he could escape at that point. His concern was
personal concern versus what was occurring down below him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you tell us anything about what time he shot
himself and can you tell us –

LOMBARDO: You know, I don`t have the answer to that question. Because
that question has been presented and we haven`t been able, through the
internal investigation of that, to pinpoint exactly if it was heard when he
shot himself or did it occur in close proximity of entry. Because as you
imagine, when they breached the door they used explosive devices. So did
it occur in close proximity to the explosive devices and we lost it in the
audible or did it occurred when we were trying to setup or team in the

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you – do you know when the security guard was
separated from the other officers?

LOMBARDO: He was – he was – it was my understanding before I had said he
had gotten separated, that was inaccurate. What had happened was, he was
conducting an investigation based on customers calling in and he was
personally attempting to locate what was occurring. He happened upon that
doorway because it was ajar, which keyed his interest. But our officers
were in close proximity, so as you can imagine, by the timeline there, as
soon as they came out of the doorway of the elevator, he was there. So it
happened in a matter of seconds.


LOMBARDO: Hold on, let me finish her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On the note, can you tell (INAUDIBLE) that note

LOMBARDO: What note, the yellow paper?


LOMBARDO: I don`t know. I don`t know. I haven`t – I did a cursory
review of the room but I haven`t been provided that information. But I
know it was not a suicide note.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you believe he saw the security guard approaching,
that might have caused him to stop shooting. If he hadn`t have seen the
security guard approaching, do you believe the shooting would have

LOMBARDO: No. And I`m comfortable on saying that no. And here`s why.
Because the same action as the security guard would have occurred with our
patrol officer –

comfortable in saying no. And here is why because the same action the
security guard would have heard with our patrol officer. That was
approaching up there.

We had knowledge he was between 31 and 32, remember when you asked before
we said 29 and 32, and then subsequently through that time it got called
down to 31, 32, a knowledgeable customer, prior military said it was
occurring directly above him, which subsequently the officers were doing
their own checks, he was not aware of what that customer had said and they
were conducting he was trying to pinpoint. So our officer had learned,
because they had a security guard attached to them that they had recent
information to the individual was on 32.

OK, so they would have encountered him shortly in that timeline, maybe 60
seconds. And I would assume the same thing would have occurred.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff we question about when he stopped firing and


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Based on the assessment of the weapons he was there and
using and access to, are any of these weapons jammed or inoperable or could
he had continued firing without any problem if he had not possibly in the
cameras –

LOMBARDO: He could have continued firing. Some of them were jammed but he
could have continued firing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some were jammed?



LOMBARDO: I don`t know the number by some. But he had plenty of fire
power available.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have any idea –

LOMBARDO: If you recall there were 23 weapons recovered, so.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And other who didn`t reached you –


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One last question on the weapons (INAUDIBLE). This guy
had a 300 ground and about 500, 800 yards – how many of these weapons he
was using firing in with advance optics on (INAUDIBLE) how many scopes or
anything else like that?

LOMBARDO: Just from my visual preview of the crime scene I saw at least
three scopes. Most of them didn`t have scopes.


LOMBARDO: No from what I know of firearms pretty behind (ph) in scopes not
marksmanship scopes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, was the security officers armed. And can you
talk about his bravery.

LOMBARDO: I don`t know if he was armed. I don`t know the security profile
at the Mandalay Bay. I know quite often some, security officers armed some
aren`t, some supervisor is not regular – I don`t know the profile at the
Mandalay Bay personally. So I don`t know if he was armed.

But his bravery was amazing because he remained with our officers providing
them the key pass to access the door and actually continued to help them
clear rooms until our officer demanded that he go seek medical attention.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, can you just –

LOMBARDO: Let him ask questions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The activities before the shooting that we`ve heard
someone say gambling, do you know?

LOMBARDO: Yes, we are aware he was gambling.


LOMBARDO: I don`t know the timeline but we are aware he was gambling.


LOMBARDO: So reference, let me provide some clarification because I answer
one of the other questions on accomplice. We did see he was gambling but
we didn`t see another individual that appeared to be with him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What time was that?

LOMBARDO: I don`t recall ma`am.

in October 2016, he bought some 33 riffle, are you looking into the
possibility that there may have been some kind of a mentally issue,
something that happened in October of 2016 that compelled him to purchase
those weapons?




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What have you uncovered?

LOMBARDO: I haven`t – I don`t have the information. I wish I could
provide you. I don`t have it, but we are looking. We`re looking on that
too, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You suggested that after he saw the security guard that
his concern became himself, did you see any evidence that he planned to
survive this or try to escape?



LOMBARDO: I can`t tell you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, just to clarify, the security guards and the
officers came up to positively identified his location and –

LOMBARDO: I`m sorry start over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The security guard or your officers arriving that
positively identified the location first?

LOMBARDO: It was the security guard. The officers had knowledge that it
was occurring on the 32nd floor. They assumed that it was at the end of
the hallway because the person that has called said it was apparently
directly above him. So having this assumption, in fact so many other rooms
but the security guard had confirmed it prior to their arrival.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And can you say more detail about the magnitude of the
gunfire that he encountered when he got when he was spotted?

LOMBARDO: Yes, my personal observation, well over 200 rounds straight to


[20:35:04] LOMBARDO: So it`s amazing that that security guard didn`t
sustain additional injury.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, you commented that you believe he had a plan -


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What have you determined that could have given you
proof he had to escape –


LOMBARDO: That`s just a different way of asking the same question. I
can`t answer that for you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sheriff, did the officers fire back at all?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sheriff, you mentioned accomplices. We`ve talked
previously about Marilou Danley as a person of interest. Are there any
other person of interest in this investigation?

LOMBARDO: Well, is there any other? No. Concrete? No. We`re looking at
it this way, Ken, is there another one? No. And we`re determined to find
out if there was. I mean, it`s important not to close this case until we
run down everything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Should we ask the terrorist question –

LOMBARDO: Because look at this, I mean, you look at the weapon obtaining
the different amounts of tannerite available, do you think this was all
accomplished on his own, self value, face value? You got to make the
assumption, he had to have some help at some point, and we want to ensure
that`s being answer. Maybe he`s a super guy, maybe he is super hero – not
a hero, super – you know, I won`t use the word. Maybe he`s super – that
was working out this out on his own but it will be hard for me to believe

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And to that do we need to ask –

LOMBARDO: And here is the reason why, put one and one together, two and
two together, another residence in Reno with firearms, OK, electronics and
everything else associated with larger amounts of ammo, a place in
mesquite, we know he had a girlfriend. Do you think this is all self-
facing individual without talking to somebody, it was sequestered amongst
himself. I mean, come on focus folks, this types of investigations have
been occurring in the last few years and we have to evaluate that. So hold
off, I`m done, OK.

What I want you to do is give Aaron Rouse an opportunity to talk about
Marilou. He may not have anything for you, OK, but I think it`s fair for
you to ask him and then I would like to get to the Senator Heller and
Commissioner Sisolak.



LOMBARDO: I`m sorry?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was the car planted for him to –

LOMBARDO: Don`t ask me to make assumptions, please.


Ken (ph)?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You were asking, where is Marilou Danley now and is she
still a person of interest in this investigation?

ROUSE: As I mentioned in my comments, you know, people rely on us for our
discretion. If someone is assisting us in an investigation, if they`re
being cooperative, that`s between us and them. Giving away the location of
a citizen or somebody that is cooperating with us, is not in our best
interest, it`s not in that person`s best interest, and so there`s a matter
of their business, so I`m not going to comment on that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s not in federal custody?

ROUSE: We have no one in custody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Special Agent Rouse. If I can ask the same question,
without saying anything specific, after seeing his computers and speaking
to Marilou, do you have any direction, any sense as to what may have been a
motivate? Any sense, any evidence of anything?

ROUSE: So, as I mentioned to my earlier remarks, we like to deal with
facts. So there is a great and everyone can have a theory but I need to
deal with facts. The Sheriff needs to deal with facts. We`re reliant on
that to do our jobs. So that`s what we`re going to focus on. There are
number of working theories out there and we`re going to continue use those
but we`re not going to publicize them because that`s not fair to anyone.
We do not want to tint anyone unfairly. We want to make sure that what we
have is accurate and you want us to be accurate. That`s what you expect of


ROUSE: We have found no evidence to this point to indicate terrorism. But
this is an ongoing investigation. We`re going to continue to look at all
avenues. We`re not closing down any doors. The best way to do an
investigation, the sheriff will tell you this, I`ll tell you this, is that
you don`t go in with assumptions, he`s not going to make assumptions as he
just said, I`m not going to make assumptions.

We`re going in there following the facts. The facts will always lead you
to your conclusion. But we hope very much so to be able to provide
concrete information to the public about why this happened, because that`s
what`s on everyone`s mind. Because to understand the why helps you deal
with the tragedy that we`ve all faced and we`ve all faced it. So, believe
me we want to know why.

[20:40:12] ROUSE: OK, I want to take this time to give the commissioner an
opportunity to say a few words.

some things that the Sheriff didn`t say. When you see these men and women
in uniforms, and the men and women that don`t wear uniforms, a lot maybe
(INAUDIBLE) I`ve notice, you got to tell them thank you, I mean what –
I`ve dealt with these folks, I`ve been working with them for the last three
days. They are working on zero sleep. I beg of you to show some patience.

I`m hearing the same question ask, three, four, five times in different
ways, speculation coming out at this group. These gentlemen deal
exclusively in facts. They`re not speculating, there`s no conjecture here.
They`re not dealing with theories, they`re dealing with facts. Their
primary purpose and their goal is to conclude this investigation in a
professional and accurate manner and I`m totally confident that they`re
going to do that.

They are protecting the citizens of Clark County and the tourists that are
here. They have made the city safe again. It is a safe place to come. We
encourage that but I implore you please, please slow some patience and
understand that they`re not going to deal with conjecture and theories that
are coming up on social media. Thank you very much.

SENATOR DEAN HELLER (R), NEVADA: My words and comments are similar to what
the commissioner just said in the important of patience. This horrific
incident is less than 72 hours old. And the reason that I come to these
briefings and this press conference is to listen to the sheriff and learn
bit by bit what happened just a little while ago.

What I want to express is my gratitude to the sheriff, to the FBI, to the
ATF and for everybody that is keeping us up to date to what is going on,
briefing my office and myself. And I also want to express how grateful I
am that the President of the United States came in today to expressed his
sincere concerned for this community and understanding what this means.

I had a rare occasion to be at 30,000 feet with a couple of hours of face
time with this particular President and we talked specifically about the
heroes, the individuals, the deputies, the first responders and all that
and what they were able to achieve in a very short period of time.

In my cellphone here I have numerous pictures of survivors from UMC and I
express and shared those pictures with the President of the United States
so that he could see some of the damages on what had occurred.

One in particular was a deputy, there was on the second day, I know we`ve
heard the story, second day on the job. He was there. His father was
actually at the event as a spectator when the shooting occurred, got hit in
the arm and went to his chest. His name is Brady Cook (ph). And I shared
the story with the President. President went up to the fifth floor of the
UMC and had an opportunity to talk to this young mean and express his
sincere gratitude for his strengths.

I also showed him a picture of a cellphone that had an apple phone that had
a bullet through it. It was a therapist over at UMC. And that bullet went
through her phone and hit her hand. She just had tissue damage, she fixed
it herself. Went back to UMC and spent hours helping those that had come
into the hospital. These stories were important for me to share with the
President of the United States as he was coming into this valley and
understanding the depth of the issue we had on hand.

But it wasn`t just that I also lobbied him on a couple of issues, one has
to do with terrorist. Now, I didn`t lobby the President because it was
important to me, I asked the governor what should I talk to him about. I
asked the mayor, what do you want me to talk to the President about? I ask
the sheriff, what do you want me to talk to the President about? And it
had to do with these urban tourism funds that come out of homeland
security, and how important it is that Las Vegas, the strip has the funding
necessary to keep, not only citizens safe, but also those that are visiting
this city.

It`s not enough that we have 2.1 million people that live in this valley
but we have 42 million people that come in every year to visit. And I want
to make sure the Las Vegas has the funding, tourism funding necessary to
keep us safe, to buy the equipment that they need to be able to monitor and
be able to follow up on the issues that they`re faced with on a day-to-day

So my gratitude continues from everybody around the country. About 15
seconds ago I was sitting right behind. A cab driver that I used in New
York City just sent me a taxi. We became friends on a ride but his message
to a senator, myself, my family and all my drivers wanted to express our
condolences of those touched by the recent weekend shooters. All our best.
The cab driver from New York concerned about Las Vegas valley.

[20:45:16] So I am grateful for all my colleagues back in Washington, D.C.
grateful for the sheriff, the FBI, the ATF, all the work that`s being done,
the hearing has begun, but it`s been less than 72 hours, way one to go.
Thank you very much for being here today.

LOMBARDO: All right, that will conclude today`s press conference. So, as
a matter of moving forward I can`t give you a definitive time for tomorrow.
I anticipate to these press conferences will stay at a maximum once a day
because leads are changing that fast for us to address this group.

The one thing I wanted to talk to each and every of you in this room, thank
you. Thank you very much. You have been very professional, you have not
been overwhelming and I appreciate your candor and your ability to express
exactly what occurred in the Las Vegas valley. So, thank you and hopefully
you have a great night. Thank you.

HAYES: All right, that was quite a newsworthy press conference that was
conducted there by the Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo and Special Agent
Aaron Rouse in charge of Las Vegas.

I want to go through what we learned because we learned quite a bit. We
got a clearer sense of the time line between when shots first are fired, I
think around 10:05 if I recall that correctly. He flashed it up there.
And when a security guard about 11 minutes after those shots are first
fired, 12 minutes or so, a security guard, who works for Mandalay Bay, goes
up and he hears where the shots are coming from and he`s fired at by the
shooter, Mr. Paddock, Stephen Paddock, and he then encounters
police who had come up. They had sort of identified that it was on the
31st floor from where the fire was being launched.

And they then proceed to clear everything, which takes a while. They clear
the entire floor. They`re getting people out of there understandably.

Joe Lombardo says that 200 rounds, 200 rounds came through that door out
into the hallway, that there was a video camera affixed to a room service
cart that warned Paddock of the entrance into the hallway of the security
guard who later conferred with police. That security guard, by the way,
who did sustain an injury in the leg and continued to help police until
police told him that he had to go seek medical attention.

That individual also it seems precipitated Paddock to stop firing, which is
key, because it appears that the firing, as far as we can tell from the
time line that was introduced today by Sheriff Lombardo, only lasted about
12 minutes, which really just to take a moment to imagine what could have
happened had it gone on 20 or 25 minutes and how pivotal it was the
entrance of that unnamed security guard into the scene. I think he`s
actually – his name has been reported in other press outlets.

A few other interesting tidbits. Sheriff Lombardo says that the shooter,
Stephen Paddock, had a
plan for escape. Obviously, that did not happen, would not elaborate more
on that. Very little from the FBI about the questioning of the girlfriend
of the shooter who came back from the Philippines today.

I want to bring now in – and nothing crucially, crucially, crucially on
motive. Nothing. In fact Lombardo essentially seemed to say we got
nothing as far as I know. Special Agent Rouse was very

Of course everyone is sort of trying to figure out and make sense of what
could have, even in his perverse mind-set precipitated this.

Oh. One more important thing. It appears he did actually rent rooms in
the Ogden hotel that overlooked another live music concert outside, a
festival called “Life is Beautiful” that had happened, I believe, the week

There had been reporting indicating that Paddock had had rooms in the
Ogden, possibly looking out on those concerts, that appears to be confirmed
today by Lombardo. The purpose of that is unclear,
whether he had planned to do this at that concert and then waited a week,
or whether he was casing it or doing a dry run. None of that clear at this

I want to bring in now Congressman Seth Moulton of Massachusetts. He
served four tours in Iraq as a Marine Corps infantry officer.

And congressman, you`ve been outspoken about your view about guns in the
wake of this. But before we get to this, just you know as someone who
served in a professional capacity as a – in the armed services, I mean,
the mind really reels at both the combination of the level of planning that
went into this and the arsenal that was acquired and the way those two were
brought together to bear on this

REP. SETH MOULTON, (D) MASSACHUSETTS: That`s right. I mean, he clearly
knew what he was doing and knew what he intended. And the fact that he was
able to get away with buying such an arsenal here in the United States is
frightening. And that`s exactly what we have to change.

I mean, I`ve seen gun violence firsthand. I was in the infantry. And I
know what this looks like, and it has no business on our streets, in our
schools, and our concerts in the United States of America.

HAYES: You know, there was one detail that was – that seemed to be
confirmed by Lombardo, was that at one point he bought 33 weapons at a
time, I believe, or at least in one short period of time in October 2016.
There`s a broader question here about essentially the ability, the legal
protections, the
constitutional protections for a civilian to acquire essentially a personal

MOULTON: That`s right. I mean the fact that that didn`t raise any flags
or the fact that
perhaps it did raise flags, but authorities weren`t able to do anything
about it. I mean, that`s just common sense that we should be asking
questions and stopping something like that from happening.

I mean, I don`t think you`ll find anybody in congress today who doesn`t
support the Second
Amendment. After all, we swear an oath to protect and defend the
constitution. As members of congress, it`s the same oath that I swore as a
United States marine officer, but this is about reasonable
restrictions. In the same way that we don`t allow families to own tanks or
land mines or grenades to protect their homes, we ought to restrict weapons
of war from being on the streets, from people like this being able to buy
an entire arsenal in a day.

HAYES: When you look at those weapons there, and they appear to be AR-15
style weapons that were then modified so that they could fire
automatically. Apparently there were 12 of those. What goes through your
head when you see those items?

MOULTON: That they belong with well-trained servicemen and women overseas,
not on America`s streets.

I mean that`s just – this is just what we`re talking about when we talk
about reasonable restrictions under the Second Amendment. No one wants to
take away the right of people to go out hunting, of sportsmen and women to
be able to do marksmanship or shoot clay pigeons. That`s protected under
the Second Amendment.

But we already have reasonable restrictions under the Second Amendment. We
don`t allow machine guns, mortars, all sorts of weapons of war. And these
are weapons of war as well. They should be restricted too.

And I tell you when I talked to Republicans on Capitol Hill today. Many of
them agree, you know, we pass laws to prevent automatic weapons from being
on America`s streets so that they wouldn`t have massacres like this. There
have been ways that gun dealers have gotten around those
laws. And we got to stop it.

HAYES: 1986, the ban on automatic weapons, 600,000 previous to that had
been grandfathered in. But in this case it appears a legal device
essentially modifying those semi-automatic weapons to fire automatically…

MOULTON: That`s right. And if you look at how the device is constructed,
it`s purely to get around the letter to have law.

HAYES: Right.

MOULTON: So, what I`ve been doing is I`ve been working with Republicans
behind the scene, not just Democrats, but Republicans who want to make a
change to this so – unfortunately the Republican leadership is unwilling
to even have a debate about this, to bring up these bills for a vote, but
we`re hoping that through pressure now just from Democrats, but from
Republicans as well that we can make this change.

It`s our responsibility as members of congress to make America safer. And
these are common sense things. The majority of Americans support that we
can do.

HAYES: All right, Congressman Seth Moulton, thank you for making time

Ahead, the secretary of state did not deny calling the president of the
United States a, quote, “moron.” How the president responded today and the
future of Rex Tillerson after this quick break.


HAYES: Today, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson felt compelled to declare
before the nation the
president is in fact smart, following exclusive NBC News report that he
called the president a moron, or possibly an f`ing moron, and threatened to

According to that report, it fell to Vice President Mike Pence to convince
Tillerson, who is fourth in line for the presidency, to stay on board and
avoid embarrassing the White House.

Today, after and early morning tweet from the president, “Wow, so many fake
news stories today. No matter what I do or say they will not write or speak
truth. The Fake News Media is out of
control”, the secretary of state, who very rarely talks to the press,
called a last minute news conference.


REX TILLERSON, SECRETARY OF STATE: The vice president has never had to
persuade me to remain as secretary of state because I have never considered
leaving this post.

Let me tell you what I`ve learned about this president, whom I did not know
before taking the office. He loves this country. He puts Americans and
America first. He`s smart. I think it`s the most important element of the
article is to reaffirm my commitment to this role that President Trump has
asked me to serve and to dispel this notion that I have ever considered


HAYES: The timing appears to have been no accident. As Tillerson was
speaking, the president was on his way to Las Vegas on board Air Force One,
which happens to be equipped with a lot of TVs.

But while the secretary of state disputed the gist of NBC`s reporting, he
didn`t deny having called the president a moron.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you address the main headline of this story that
you called
president a moron, and if not where do you think the reports –

TILLERSON: I mean, I`m not going to deal with petty stuff like that. I
mean, this is what I don`t understand about Washington.

I`m not from this place, but the places I come from, we don`t deal with
that kind of petty nonsense.


HAYES: Tillerson`s spokesperson, Heather Nauert, later said the secretary
of state doesn`t use
language like moron and didn`t call the president that name.

Later during a visit with doctors treating the victims of Las Vegas
massacre, the president himself weighed in on the controversy.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Any response to Rex Tillerson?

TRUMP: Yeah. I am very honored by his comments. It was fake news. It was a
totally phony story. Thank you very much.

It was made up by NBC. They just made it up. Thank you all. Total
confidence in Rex. I have total confidence.

Thank you very much everybody.


HAYES: Carol Lee is NBC National Political reporter, part of the team that
broke the story on Tillerson today.

According to your reporting obviously Tillerson`s spokesperson denied the
comment, a lot of denials today, a lot of accusations on fake news.

According to your reporting, what was the sort of participating incident
that brought this


This goes back to the early parts of Tillerson`s tenure when he was trying
to get staff of the state department, bringing in people, and he had
disagreements with the White House.

There were early clashes with the president`s son-in-law, Jared Kushner,
over certain foreign policies. Then there were clashes with the president
over his foreign policies. We saw the president undermine him on Middle
East policy in terms of how to deal with Kuter and the dispute with Saudi

We saw the president get frustrated with him when he was pressing him to
recertify the Iran deal. And then you move into July, and there were a
series of meetings, including the one in after which he called the
president a moron, where Tillerson was also frustrated, just with
generally, with the way the president was handling his advice, and so this
kind of came to a head then.

And then the president gives speech at Boy Scouts of America that`s very
politicized and Tillerson is an Eagle Scout, former head of this
organization, and that was very frustrating for him too.

HAYES: Yeah. First of all, before I get to that though, was it moron or
f`ing moron?

LEE: It`s unclear. But you know – it was definitely moron.

HAYES: The Boy Scouts – there is reporting at the time – it was strange
moment. The Boy Scout speech happens, there`s sort of a reaction of shock
from a lot of people. He takes this speech which is a Boy Scout speech and
out there, very political, rails against Hillary Clinton if I`m not

LEE: Talks about his own election.

HAYES: Talks about his own election. Tillerson is in Texas at that point
and there`s reporting at the time that he was upset by it. Does that track
with what you learned?

LEE: Right. Well it is more just around that time all of these things came
to head.

And the way this worked out is Secretary Mattis and then Homeland Security
Secretary, now
Chief of Staff, John Kelly, were the ones who tried to convince Tillerson
to stay.

He comes back to D.C. after that Boy Scout speech and he has a meeting with
Vice President Pence whose role was a little bit role different. It was
basically to say, you need to be more respectful
of the president. You need to be on board with him publicly and if you have
any disagreements you need to resolve them privately, and he gave him what
was described as a pep talk.

HAYES: There was reporting today in The Daily Beast that there were people
inside the
White House that just hoped that Tillerson would quit today.

LEE: Well, the thing about Tillerson is if the president decides that he
is going to distant himself, he doesn`t have a lot of supporters in White
House, in congress or state department.

HAYES: Certainly not state where he is widely loathed.

LEE: Right. Exactly. So, it is hard to see who would rally to his side
except maybe Mattis and Kelly, who were the ones who tried to convince him
to stay.

HAYES: Alright. Carole Lee, thanks for your great reporting, your true,
true news.

Josh Earnest was the White House Press Secretary under President Obama and
is now an MSNBC political analyst.

What do you make of all this, Josh?

JOSH EARNEST, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Chris, it is a pretty remarkable
set of circumstances when you have the state department spokeswoman coming
out to read out a call between
the secretary of state and President of the United States and she describes
the call as good, and the fact that she described the call as good is

It was a pretty remarkable day.

HAYES: Okay, so Carole just mentioned something at the end of that that I
want to sort of look at.

It is remarkable to me the amount of reporting there is, and the amount of
almost taken for granted public acceptance of the fact that there`s this
sort of people whose job it is to protect the country from the president.

So like, Mattis and Tillerson and Kelly, that they`re in this sort of
alliance to restrain the
country from the president, and then you have Bob Corker today, Republican
senior senator from
Tennessee, basically making that point, saying they stand between us and

EARNEST: He did make that point, Chris, and I think the other part of this
is, here`s the thing that should not be lost in this reporting.

It is obvious that Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, is incredibly
frustrated by his job and by his boss. That`s why it`s not at all
surprising to wake up in the morning and read the good reporting from Carol
and her colleagues.

Look, Secretary of State Tillerson does have a responsibility and this was
his job description going into the job. This is not a surprise. It wasn`t
sprung on him at the last minute that he was going to work for someone who
could generously be described as a neophyte when it comes to foreign policy

And here`s the thing, Chris, I`m not really sure that Secretary Tillerson
has succeeded in trying to preventing President Trump from doing some bad
things in the realm of foreign policy. He pulled out of the Transpacific
Partnership, he is threatening to undermine the Iran deal, he pulled out of
The Paris Climate Agreement, and he insulted our NATO allies on his first
trip to a NATO meeting.

So, if Secretary Tillerson`s responsibility is to try to erect these guard
rails and keep President Trump on track, I think it would be very difficult
for a Secretary Tillerson and his defenders to point to much success that
he`s had.

HAYES: Having covered the Obama administration, one of the things, and I
would hear this off
the record, there`s always friction between the agencies and cabinet
members and White House. Always. There`s always a sense that the White
House is micromanaging, natural sort of.

Where do you put this on that spectrum in terms of what we`re seeing in
this administration as opposed to the one you worked in and previous ones.

EARNEST: Well Chris, this is particularly true when it comes to the
secretary of state, and I can tell you from conversations I have
participated in in the last few years of the Obama White House, that the
Secretary of State, John Kerry in this case, was in a position to deliver
bad news to the President of the United States on regular basis because the
secretary of state is dealing with some really tough stuff.

So he was in a position to tell the president, look Mr. President, just to
update you on the negotiations on the Iran, it`s not going well now, the
Iranians are moving the goal post on us. Or, Mr. President, we are trying
to complete this climate deal, but we need you to intervene with the
Indians, and I know you have a bunch of other things on your plate, but we
need you to call the Prime Minister.

That`s not a particularly pleasant conversation to have even under the best
circumstances. So, this kind of tension and challenge that any secretary of
state has to endure is not unique to Secretary
Tillerson, but it`s clear he`s not handling it nearly as well as his
predecessors did.

HAYES: Do you – I`m trying to think how to phrase this. Do you think that
people other than Tillerson who work for the president view him as a moron?

EARNEST: Well, look, Chris, there are a lot of people – go back to what I
was saying before, it is not a surprise to anybody paying attention that
President Trump doesn`t really know what he`s talking about when it comes
to foreign policy.

He hasn`t spent any time thinking about it. He doesn`t clearly understand
the consequences of his words and his actions and its impact on our
alliances. And in some ways, even its impact on our adversaries, and I have
North Korea in mind here.

Setting aside the pejorative language that Secretary Tillerson didn`t deny
that he used, it is not surprising to anybody who follows politics in
either party or any branch of government that President Trump is not at all
experienced or familiar or shows much intellectual curiosity in dealing
with the complicated world he`s responsible for leading.

We expect the President of the United States to be the leader of the free
world, but President
Trump hasn`t spent any time thinking about it.

HAYES: Yeah, we should also put this in the broader context of just an
unending daily series of quotes from White House officials anonymously that
refer to the president as if he were in words of Michelle Goldberg, a
malevolent toddler. What the words of White House officials, the picture

Josh Earnest, much appreciated.

EARNEST: Thank you, Chris.

HAYES: That is All In for this evening.

The Rachel Maddow Show starts right now.



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