All In with Chris Hayes, Transcript 11/14/2016

Keith Ellison, Jess McIntosh, Jonathan Greenblatt, Nihad Awad, Bill Moyers

Date: November 14, 2016
Guest: Keith Ellison, Jess McIntosh, Jonathan Greenblatt, Nihad Awad, Bill

CHRIS MATTHEWS, MSNBC HOST: And that`s HARDBALL for now. Thanks for being
with us.

“ALL IN” with Chris Hayes starts right now.



Absolutely. Of course, I`ve got concerns.

HAYES: The president meets the press.

OBAMA: This office has a way of waking you up.

HAYES: As the president-elect hires a purveyor of white nationalism to
lead his White House.

Tonight, the bipartisan backlash to Donald Trump`s biggest hire.

Plus, in an ALL IN exclusive, Congressman Keith Ellison announces his
intention to run the DNC. And he joins me for his first interview tonight.

Then, former Clinton campaign spokesperson Jess McIntosh in her first
interview since the election, and White House veteran and journalism icon
Bill Moyers, on what lies ahead in Trump`s America when ALL IN starts right


HAYES: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes.

Today, as I have every day since Donald Trump`s victory, groups of
Americans took to the street in protest.

This is the scene in Los Angeles, site of one of several student walkouts
that took place across the country.

Meanwhile, in Washington, President Obama held his first news conference
since Election Day. The president striking a relatively positive tone
while also suggesting the president-elect is in for a wake-up call.


waking you up and those aspects of - is positions or predispositions that
don`t match up with reality, he will find shaking it up pretty quick
because reality has a way of asserting itself.


HAYES: Trump is poised to enter the White House with zero experience in
the government or the military, the first time in this nation`s entire
history. During his meeting with the president last week, a source tells
NBC News, Trump asked how many White House staffers he could replace and
was surprised when President Obama told him it is his job to replace

In his remarks today, the president repeatedly urged Trump to send “signals
of unity” to groups he offended starting with his staffing decisions where
Trump has already taken a massive step in the opposite direction, naming as
his Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor, Steve Bannon, the former chief
of Breitbart News, a Web site that has become an online home to white

Discussion – decision has generated a furious backlash and later in the
show we will have the heads of both the Council on Arab Islamic Relations
and the Anti-defamation League here to respond.

Trump who famously told NBC`s Chuck Todd last year that he gets military
advice from, quote, “the shows,” seems to be looking to fill many top
people to pose with people he has seen on FOX News. Among those he`s
reportedly considering for high-ranking positions, FOX National Security
Commentator, Richard Cornell, FOX Contributor, Laura Ingraham and FOX
Commentator, John Bolton.

Bolton, a proponent of a very aggressive military posture in behalf of the
United States across the globe, is said to be a leading contender for
Secretary of State.

Last year, Bolton (INAUDIBLE) headline, “To stop Iran`s bomb, bomb Iran.”

Trump has tapped three of his children, Ivanka, Eric, and Don Jr. to run
his business empire, an arrangement he falsely calls a blind trust. Now,
NBC News has learned that Trump is exploring the possibility of getting top
secret security clearances for all three of those children. Potentially
giving them access to the nation`s most closely guarded secrets at the same
time they seek to grow the family fortune.

All of this is happening as democrats seek to pick up the pieces after last
week`s disastrous showing at the polls.

Today, Representative Keith Ellison formally launched his bid to become the
next chair of the DNC with strong backing from among others, Elizabeth
Warren, Bernie Sanders, Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer.

Many are pointing to this clip from last July as a central plank of
Ellison`s resume for the job.


is that anybody from the democratic side of the fence who thinks that –
who is terrified of the possibility of President Trump, better vote, better
get active, better get involved because this man has got some momentum, and
we better be ready for the fact that he might be leading the republican
ticket next –

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know you don`t believe that but I want to go on –



ELLISON: We had Jesse Ventura in Minnesota win the governorship. Nobody
thought he was going to win. I`m telling you, stranger things have


HAYES: Indeed.

Joining me for his first interview since formally entering the race for DNC
chair is Representative Keith Ellison of Minnesota. Congressman, it`s
great to have you here.

ELLISON: Thank you, Chris.

HAYES: I think – I think – let`s start here. I think people are looking
at this position to head the DNC as the kind of first concrete step the
Democratic Party is going to take to understand what happened last week and
to reverse its fortunes.

Why do you want to lead the DNC and what is your vision for that – for
that institution?

ELLISON: You know, Chris, I believe that every American should know that
the Democratic Party is there for the working men and women of this party.
The Democratic Party is the vehicle for people to reach their hopes, their
dreams, to be able to live a good, quality life and have an inclusive

You know, the fact is that – you know, we did – what we saw, I think, is
a – is a table flip. People outraged because of stagnant wages for quite
a long time, feeling like they have not been heard, feeling like the folks
with the money put that money in to politics and kind of took the attention
away from them as citizens of our country.

Well, you know, I believe we`ve got to return that focus right back to the
working man and woman of this country, affirm the idea of better wages,
affirm the idea of the right to bargain collectively on the job, affirm the
idea of having a clean environment.

You know, these are the things that are core values and that`s where I want
to take the Democratic Party.

HAYES: It`s interesting to hear you say that because, as you know, better
than anyone, there`s this roiling debate happening among democrats and
different writers and progressives about what happened –


HAYES: And different theories for it. What I`m hearing from you is a kind
of economic populism argument. I mean, what I`m hearing from you is that
you feel that the Democratic Party – I don`t know if you mean the Clinton
campaign specifically - essentially lost its core economic message. Is
that the critique?

ELLISON: You know, let me say this. If you look at the numbers in the
last election, President Obama actually won a larger number of white
working-class voters than voted for Hillary Clinton. So, if it`s – if it
was simply some sort of racial backlash, then that is an unlikely outcome.

I think what happened is that Trump did appeal to negativity, had a
negative campaign, calling her crooked Hillary, which was – and sometimes
negative campaigning can work. That`s why people spend money doing it.

And so, unfortunately, they have been trying to tarnish Hillary Clinton for
a long time and her good record, her excellent record of service just
wasn`t able to break through in the last week of that campaign, and I think
that`s pretty much what happened.

HAYES: So there`s a deeper – there`s a deep – there`s the question of
the campaign in terms of the presidential, right, but there`s a deeper
question and it has to do with this sort of states across the industrial
Midwest that flipped including almost, shockingly, your State of Minnesota.

ELLISON: But it didn`t.

HAYES: It did not.

But it came voided – you – if I gave you truth serum, you`re going to
tell me you thought it would be that close?

ELLISON: No, I did not think it was going to be that close, but I will
tell you that in my district, the Fifth Congressional District, we got over
– we got 250,000 votes out and because of that we helped keep our state
blue -

HAYES: Let me – let me ask you -

ELLISON: But they did – they did – they did a good, you know –it was
tougher than I thought it was going to be.

HAYES: Let me ask you this, though, because of – because of the kind of
district you represent, which in some ways is an urban district, it`s a
heavily democratic district, what do you say to people who say someone who
represents a heavily blue urban district is not the right person to be –
have their finger on the pulse of the kinds of districts, say your
colleague Colin Peterson`s district in the western part of the state that
he won – that Trump won overwhelmingly, is not the kind of person to have
their fingers on the pulse of the kinds of districts democrats would need
to win to win back the house, the kinds of places that the democrats would
need to win back the Senate and the White House.

ELLISON : Well, let me tell you, I go out to the Seventh Congressional
District of Minnesota all the time, sit down with people, diners, talk with
folks and have a great relationship with Colin. He`s a very good friend of
mine. I go down to Iowa, Wisconsin, I`m born in Michigan and go there

I think I got my finger on the pulse of what democrats and Americans more
importantly want from their government, which means that everybody – the
thing that unites all of us is everybody wants to make a good living and I
think when you see a Trump candidacy and now president-elect, trying to use
differences of religion and race to divide people, you know, sometimes that
can work in the short term. But I believe a message of solidarity, and
economic opportunity, and prosperity is going to win out, and that`s what
the Democratic Party stands for, and that is where we`re going to have our

Voter turnout, strengthening the grassroots and making sure that every
working man and woman knows the democrats are on their side.

HAYES: I want to ask you, criticisms coming from a number of different
directions. And the first is the GOP, the Republican Party put out an op-
ed file on you, essentially accusing you more or less of just being a real
– a lefty. You want single payer, voted for the progressive budget which
would have raised taxes. Your positions are too far to the left and
extreme. What`s your response to them?

ELLISON: My response is that, you know, there`s absolutely no democrat at
all that would be acceptable to them. They focus –

HAYES: Fair point.

ELLISON: Right. They focus –

HAYES: They`re not going to put out a statement saying we applaud the DNC.

ELLISON: I love this guy. That`s not going to happen.

So you know, I don`t think their criticisms can be taken seriously. They
basically specialize in trying to run down people`s character. That`s
their main political weapon, is character assassination.

And I`m going to tell you, you know, we`re going to be fighting back to
make sure that the focus is on the people, is on the people and their
quality of life, not them and their character assassination machine.

HAYES: Howard Dean, of course, former chair of the DNC who says he`s a
friend of yours, a supporter of yours.

ELLISON: Great guy.

HAYES: At the congress, I know you guys have a good relationship. He
basically made a very practical kind of logistical argument, he`s running
for DNC chair that it`s just an impossible job to do while you`re sitting
member of congress. Take a listen.


Keith Ellison a lot. I went door to door with him for his very first
election. I think his politics is great. I like him.

I don`t believe you can have this job and have a seat in the congress or –
in or the Governor`s office. And this job is 80, 90 hours a week. You
can`t do both.


HAYES: What do you say to that?

ELLISON: You know, the real issue is vision. Where are you going to take
the party?

My vision is to focus our attention on strengthening the grassroots, put
our priority on voter turnout and to campaign, you know, 365 days a year,
and then talking door to door with people in their neighborhoods and in
mixed communities.

I have a work ethic that people who know me know that nobody is going to
outwork me. I`m going to be tireless working all the time and I`m going to
be making sure that the message gets to the people.

Plus, let me tell you this, Chris, this is not a job just for one person.
We`re going to raise and inspire millions of people. Millions of people
all over this country.

Anybody who thinks that this is just one guy who is going to do everything,
it`s not true. My vision will be to empower people across the grassroots
and that`s why I got support of folks, you know, who are DNC members, four
party chairs from all over this country supporting me already because they
know I`m going to be making them – putting them – helping to empower them
to strengthen people in their state, their county, their precincts. That`s
the real point.

HAYES: Let me ask you – let me conclude on this.

You`re one of two practicing Muslims in the United States Congress. You
are looking at a president-elect who has called to ban Muslims from the
country and who just installed as basically his top – one of top two
people in the White House, Steve Bannon, who, you know, runs a Web site
that`s warned of Obama importing Muslims, who has trafficked in all kinds
of very ugly and gross stereotypes.

I mean, what is your reaction to the announcement about Steve Bannon?

ELLISON: Well, you know, personnel is policy, right? I think Elizabeth
Warren said that.

When you appoint certain people, you`re telling us what your administration
is going to be about. And all I have to say is this. We are going to come

We`re not going to let these people divide us and conquer us. We`re not
going to let them divide the black from the white, from the Latinos, from
the folks born here, folks who came here, different religions, we`re all
unified. We`re one America and we`re going to come together and we`re
going to rebuild that ladder of opportunity for everybody.

We`re going to make sure people have real security, social security,
economic security and we`re going to make sure that folks know that the
Democratic Party is on their side. And any of this divisive stuff to break
us apart is not going to work because we`re going to be on the case and
everybody all over this country is going to understand that, you know, when
we say liberty and justice for all, that means all. No exceptions.

HAYES: All right. Representative Keith Ellison, thank you for your time
tonight. I really appreciate it.

KEITH ELLISON: Thank you, Chris.

HAYES: All right. Still to come, the iconic journalist, Bill Moyers with
his reaction on the election of Donald Trump.

And next, an on the record insider account of what went wrong in the
Clinton campaign, former spokesperson, Jess McIntosh, sharing her thoughts
for the first time here with me after this two-minute break.


HAYES: As democrats look for a way forward, Hillary Clinton and the people
in her orbit, many who have long dominated the Democratic Party, are
sifting through the data to try to find the cause of this historic loss.

A few hours ago, Hillary Clinton called up house democrats, sources on that
call telling NBC News, she thanked her supporters, emphasizing a need to
analyze what happened. Not a call with donors over the weekend, Hillary
Clinton cited the unprecedented intervention of the FBI as a decisive

“There`s a lot of issue reasons why an election like this is not
successful. But our analysis, that FBI Director James Comey`s letter
raising doubts that were groundless, baseless, proven to be, stopped our

That sentiment was echoed in an internal Clinton campaign memo with polling
data that said, “There is no question that a week from Election Day,
Secretary Clinton was poised for a historic win, but in the end late
breaking development in the race proved one hurdle too many for us to

Speaking to us for the first time since the election, about the campaign,
Jess McIntosh, Director of Communications Outreach for Hillary Clinton`s
Campaign and a friend of the show. It`s good to have you here. Thank you
for your time.

having me.

HAYES: How do you understand what happened last week?

MCINTOSH: It`s tough. Obviously, it`s been a really hard week.

I have been incredibly heartened to see how quickly the activist base
mobilized to talk locally, how do we protect our neighbors who are in more
jeopardy than they were before because of this, what can we do in the
immediate sense we lost the grander war and I think that speaks to an
amazing resilience and also the fact that we won the popular vote.

There were more people who voted for Hillary`s positive, inclusive vision
for America than voted for Trump`s and even more that didn`t come out at

But I think any conversation that talks about what happened without talking
about sexism and racism is going to be missing a really large point of

The fact that that woman, that supremely qualified, talented woman and that
campaign which worked harder than, I mean, all – every winning
presidential campaign is wonderful. This one was run like that. We were
in every state doing everything that needed to happen.

The fact that that operation and that woman couldn`t beat that man and that
operation, which was basically non-existent, means that we have so much
more work to do.

HAYES: Yeah. Where does that leave you in terms of how you think about
building off of it, right?

So, I think we should just be clear, this has been the line I`ve been using
that it`s like if you lose a basketball game by one point, you can look at
the last shot.


HAYES: Which is the James Comey letter, and then you look at all four
corners and you can identify he missed two free throws in the second
quarter. Like there`s a million things to determine the outcome.

MCINTOSH: And I think – and I think the James Comey letter – I mean,
obviously everything she said today was correct. I think that the James
Comey letter was one of those things. We had so many one of those things,
variables, we had the Russians hacking the personal g-mail account of our
campaign chair. We had – I mean, the DNC WikiLeaks, there was the Comey
letter. There is one unifying variable of this campaign, which was we were
running a woman.

HAYES: Right.

MCINTOSH: That has not happened before.

HAYES: And my understanding, from my conversations with the Clinton folks,
right, is that there`s a certain demographic. Everyone sort of comes up
with their demographic path to victory, and in some ways the demographic
bet was there`s going to be some demographics on which she underperforms
that will be made up for ones in which she over performs. And one of those
was women, particularly republican women, white women, we should be clear
women of color overwhelmingly voted for her and have overwhelmingly voted
for every democratic presidential candidate.


HAYES: But she, among white women, didn`t do any different than
essentially Obama in 2012, a point better.


HAYES: How do you make sense of that?

MCINTOSH: I internalized misogyny as a real thing, and this is a thing
that we have to be talking about as we go through and see –

HAYES: What does that mean, though?


MCINTOSH: My guess is it looked – the president said it the best during
this whole campaign. We as a society react poorly to women seeking
positions of power.

We are uncomfortable about it, and then we seek to justify that
uncomfortable feeling because it can`t possibly be because we don`t want to
see a woman in that position of power.

We need to, as we – as we go through this numbers, as we figure out
exactly what happened with turnout, it seems to be white college educated
women. My guess is that breaks down married/unmarried. My guess is it
breaks down older/younger.

But we have work to do talking to those women about what happened this year
and why, why would – why we would vote against our self-interests.

HAYES: So here`s my question, though. I mean, there`s some part of me
that knowing the way politicians think –


MCINTOSH: – that if the takeaway is that sexism was one of the driving
forces behind this defeat –


HAYES: – there`s going to be this temptation to be like, “Let`s just run
a man.” I mean, you and I both know how politicians think.


MCINTOSH: Absolutely.

HAYES: It`s like look, if that`s true and that`s the path of least
resistance, like, we tried that, it didn`t work.

I remember talking to a lot of folks in 2012 – Barack Obama –

MCINTOSH: But it would just see another self-reinforcing sexist mechanism.
Because we didn`t say, well John Kerry didn`t work, well John Edwards
didn`t work, well Michael Dukakis didn`t work. Let`s run all of these
women. Clearly that`s the way to do it.

So the idea that we would suddenly say in this case in this one variable,
clearly that was the problem. I think we have to look a lot more
holistically. We have to look at the role of the media played in
normalizing this stuff. We have to watch really carefully, how Steve
Bannon is covered if he takes over a chief White House Strategist role.

I mean, this is a man who speaks spells violent misogynist rhetoric on his
Web site, who is a white supremacist, who enables a hate movement and he is
coming in to the White House.

Seeing him be portrayed as something like an outsider, maverick type can`t
possibly sit well with any of us. So, we`re fighting in increment now but
we`re still fighting.

HAYES: All right. Jess Mcintosh, thank you so much for making the time.
I really appreciate it.


HAYES: It`s good to have you here.

Coming up, the man who boasted his Web site gave the Alt-Right a platform
is now as Jeff saying Donald Trump`s top strategist in the White House,

The Anti-defamation league and the Counsel on American-Islamic Relations
are denouncing Trump`s hiring of Steve Bannon, and both groups join me


HAYES: Across the political spectrum today, there were condemnations of
president-elect Donald Trump naming Steve Bannon as a Senior Counselor and
chief White House Strategist.

Of course, prior to be named Chairman of Donald Trump`s presidential
campaign, Bannon was Executive Chairman of Breitbart, which he himself
described this way, “We`re the platform for the Alt-Right. “

“Alt-Right” is a term for those who believe in white nationalism but don`t
want to call it that.

Just two weeks after a (INAUDIBLE) white supremacist killed nine African-
Americans at a church in Charleston, Breitbart featured this headline,
“Hoist it high and proud, the confederate flag proclaims a glorious

And let`s not forget headlines like these, “Why equality and diversity
departments should only hire rich, straight white men.” Europe`s rape
epidemic: Western women will be sacrificed at the alter of mass migration.”

And the site published an editorial by Dutch nationalist, Geert Wildeers,
titled “Let`s lock the door to Islam.”

That`s a mere sampling. Breitbart routinely traffics in racism and
xenophobia and hatred of women.

“The solution to online harassment is simple, women should logoff.” And,
“Birth control makes women unattractive and crazy.”

There`s never just Breitbart content that would be indicative enough.
Raising questions about Bannon`s beliefs.

Bannon`s ex-wife claimed as part of a 2007 divorce filing, that he said he
didn`t want to send their children to a school with Jews.

Mary Louise Piccard said in her statement, June 27th, 2007, in a court
filing, the biggest problem he had with our Archer – that was the school
they`re considering – is the number of Jews that attend.

Bannon, through a spokesperson denied it. In Trump`s campaign, of which he
was chairman, didn`t always push back against the anti-Semitism that became
entwined with the Trump phenomenon, particularly online.

White supremacist, David Duke said, Bannon, “has really been right on about
a lot of issues facing European-Americans. He`s really talked about them
and supported in the right – in some ways, the Alt-Right.”

Bannon`s ascension to a role that will make him one of the most powerful
people in the country and on the earth has brought an avalanche of
criticism an outrage from democratic leaders but also from republicans,
like Governor John Kasich`s adviser, John Weaver who tweeted, “The racist
fascist extreme right is represented footsteps from the oval office. Be
very vigilant, America.”

Independent presidential candidate and conservative Evan McMullin who
tweeted “Will any national level elected GOP leaders condemn Donald Trump`s
appointment of anti-Semites Steve Bannon to Senior White House role.”

Among the groups, that have condemned the choice, strong words, from the
Anti-Defamation League and the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the
heads of those organizations join me next.


HAYES: The announcement that Steve Bannon will now serve as a Chief
Strategist and Senior Counselor in president-elect`s White House has met
with widespread condemnation.

The Anti-defamation league calling it, “A sad day when a man who presided
over the premier Web site of the “Alt-right,” a loose-knit group of white
nationalists and unabashed anti-Semites and racists, is slated to be a
senior staff member in the people`s house.”

And the Council on American Islamic Relations urged Trump to reconsider,
pointing out that the appointment of Steven Bannon as a top Trump
administration strategist sends a disturbing message that anti-Muslim
conspiracy theories and white nationalist ideology will be welcomed in the

Joining me now, the CEO and national director of the Anti-Defamation
League, Jonathan Greenblatt. And Jonathan, are your concerns about the
allegations of his wife in the divorce filings, something I should say that
Bannon has denied, or the website he ran, or both?

for having me.

I`m not going to get into gossip and talk about he said/she said. What
we`re focused on is what we know. And what we know is that under Steve
Bannon`s leadership, Breitbart emerged as the haven, the platform, if you
will, of this loose knit band of white supremacists we call it the alt-

HAYES: What do you see – what message is being sent in this appointment,
from your perspective?

GREENBLATT: Well, it`s a good question. You know, I think on both sides,
this is a tense moment in this country. We`ve not only seen
demonstrations, sometimes descend to violence across the
nation, we`ve seen an uptick in hate crimes and bias incidents all around
the country – anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim, racist,
homophobic. So in this moment where we`re seeking middle ground, when the
president-elect talked about bringing the country together, appointing
Steve Bannon drives a
divisive message that even though it`s the People`s House, not all people
are welcome.

HAYES: I want to read you something that the head of the – the chair of
the American Nazi Party said today pleasantly surprised by Bannon`s
appointment. “Perhaps The Donald is for real and is not going to be a
controlled puppet directed by the usual wire pullers, and does indeed
intend to rock the boat. Time will tell.”

That`s the American Nazi Party basically saying this sends us a message
that this president might be more in line with our values than we thought
and we`re encouraged.

GREENBLATT: Well, you could tell an awful lot about someone in life not by
what they say but by their friends, by the people whose company they keep,
by the people who support them and we`ve seen the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and white
supremacists of all different shapes and sizes exhalting over the naming of
Steve Bannon.

And I think this is the issue, right. I can`t speak to the president-
elect`s intentions, I can only talk about the outcomes. And this seems to
embolden the extremists, and that`s what we find so problematic.

HAYES: What do you say to those who say, and I`ve raised this with other
folks who say, look, Jared Kushner is – obviously he`s Jewish and devout,
Ivanka is a convert. Joe Pollack, who is a Jewish writer over at Breitbart
wrote a piece defending Bannon saying it`s ridiculous to call him an anti-
Semite. What do you say to folks who say this is libel, essentially, and
you don`t – you know nothing of this man?

GREENBLATT: Look, all I know are the facts. And the facts show us that
like some of the headlines you quoted earlier, Breitbart is a cesspool of
birtherism, racism anti-Semitism, misogyny, literally it`s like the
Pandora`s Box pulled wide open.

So, I don`t – you know, it`s hard to say why this is happening. All we
can focus on are the
results and the results are bringing in toxicity into our political
conversation and we think at the ADL, we`ve been monitoring extremism for
more over 100 years. Intolerance like this has no place in the public
square, certainly not down the hall from the Oval Office.

HAYES: Jonathan Greenblatt of the Anti-Defamation League, thank you, sir,
appreciate it.

And joining me now is Nihad Awad. He is the executive director of CAIR,
Council on American Islamic Relations.

Mr. Awad, your reaction to the naming of Steve Bannon?

NIHAD AWAD, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, CAIR: Well, as our previous guest said, it
is shocking, especially since we hear the statement from President-elect
Donald Trump on Sunday on “60 Minutes” saying that he would like to move
the country forward, he would like to unite Americans. And the first thing
we see is that he appointed someone who is not going to bring Americans
together, he`s going to divide Americans further. And because of his not
only rhetoric, but the fact that he presided over a news website that
denigrates women for using birth control or accusing Jews for having
conspiracies against the United States and through banking and so on,
attacking African-Americans and also attacking American Muslims, attacking

These are the wounds that have been inflicted on our nation in the past
many months in an ugly campaign. And now America needs not to see further
division. We need to heal the nation and we need to work together.

So for a country as big as ours, as diverse as ours, and as divided as
ours, we need personnel in the White House who will advance and reflect the
values of diversity, equal justice, equality. And I don`t see Muslims,
Jews, blacks or women around the table if Steve Bannon is in the White

HAYES: The FBI released a report today on hate crimes for last year. And
we should note this is during a year that both featured an election and
several attacks on the U.S. that were later claimed by ISIS or by folks who
pledged loyalty to is, some of the context for what happened in 2015. But
there are shocking statistics, 67 percent jump in offenses against Muslims.
We`ve heard anecdotal and it`s hard to get empirical numbers on attacks
attacks in the days after the election. How concerned are you?

AWAD: Very much concerned. And I get calls from parents and I get calls
and text messages on behalf of children from parents and community leaders.
There`s a widespread concern, not only in the past 18 months, but even
after the win of Donald Trump of the election last Tuesday.

So we see an uptick in hate crimes and acts of vandalism, women accosted on
college campuses. And so there is fear, also our community is resilient.
We`re not going to resort to fear, and we`re not going to be intimidated.
This is our country. We`re going to stay here and we`re going to hold the
president-elect Donald Trump to the highest standards in defending all
Americans and all of those residing in accordance with the U.S.

HAYES: Final question, given that we`ve seen swastikas and attacks on
Muslims, we`ve seen the alt-right express its venom both for Jews and for
Muslims, is this a crucial moment for cross-religious solidarity for Jewish
people and Muslim people?

AWAD: Absolutely. We have a lot in common and this – why this country is
great because it brings all people together and also we have great faith
traditions – Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, and the followers of these
religions can bring shining examples not only of America itself, but all of
these faith communities. So why this is a challenge it can be an
opportunity to bring our communities together on common ground and to fight
for justice but also to uphold the values which made this country great and
we celebrate.

HAYES: Nihad Awad, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Still to come, I`ll talk with journalism legend and White House veteran
Bill Moyers covering Donald Trump and what to expect from president-elect.
That and more ahead. But first, tonight`s Thing One, Thing Two starts just
after this break.


HAYES: Thing One tonight, for six straight days protesters have taken to
the streets in many
cities across the country to voice their opposition to Donald Trump. And
one of their rallying cries has been that Hillary Clinton won the popular
vote despite losing the electoral college.

But as first reported by Mediaite, when you search Google for final count
2016, pretty standard search following last week`s presidential election,
the very first news result is a website called 70 News. And it takes you
here, a page with a tropical looking pool, the tag line sharing news that
matters to you. And a real stunner of a headline, Trump won both popular
and electoral college votes.

Why is 70 News leading Google news searches about who won the popular vote
in last week`s presidential election? That`s Thing Two in 60 seconds.



TRUMP: Forget the press, read the internet, study other things, don`t go
for the mainstream media. Most of them good news, fortunately most of
them won`t be around for very long, in my opinion.


HAYES: Forget the press, read the internet. And if you believe what
Donald Trump said on the campaign trail, you might believe this. The
website that comes up first in Google searches about who won the popular
vote, leading you to 70 News, an alleged news website with a headline
declaring Donald Trump won the popular vote.

If you haven`t heard of 70 News, you`re not alone. It appears just to be a
WordPress site someone set up to kind of sort of look like a news website
with a few news categories slapped on top.

The first of which is Hillary`s health. As Mediaite reported, the supposed
popular vote number it cites appear to come from a Twitter user that goes
by Michael. In other words, the whole thing is entirely and completely
bogus, a sign that the flood of fake news has permeated Facebook during the
election extends to Google News as well, essentially beating the search
engine`s algorithm.

Google said today it is looking into the matter. And contrary to the fake
report on 70 News, Hillary Clinton is indeed winning the popular vote by a
sizable margin, almost 700,000 votes, which is currently larger, the
popular vote margin, of President John F. Kennedy and approaching the
margin from Richard Nixon`s first win in 1968.

And Clinton`s popular vote lead is only expected to grow. Just 93 percent
of votes have been counted, a majority of uncounted are in New York,
California and Washington, states Clinton won handily. When all is said
and done, Clinton might end up with a popular vote margin that is not too
far off the much maligned national polling numbers.



OBAMA: Michelle and I want to offer our deepest condolences to Gwen
Ifill`s family and all of you, her colleagues, on her passing. Gwen was a
friends of ours. She was an extraordinary journalist. She always kept
faith with the fundamental responsibilities of her profession, asking tough
questions, holding people in power accountable and defending a strong and
free press that makes our democracy work.


HAYES: She was, as one of her colleagues put it, a standard bearer for
courage, fairness and integrity. And tonight, reporters and political
figures alike are paying tribute to the life and work of the great veteran
journalist Gwen Ifill.

Ifill, the beloved and admired co-anchor of PBS NewsHour, moderator of
Washington Week, died today following a battle with cancer. The daughter
of a Methodist minister, she began her career as print journalism in
Boston and then Baltimore at a time when few women of color were working
in newsrooms, let alone covering politics and public affairs.

As The Washington Post reports, she recalled getting letters from readers
brimming with racial slurs, and in return, receiving a shrug from less than
understanding editors.

She worked for The Washington Post and The New York Times before joining
NBC News in 1994 as chief congressional and political correspondent, and in
1999 Ifill joined PBS, moderating the vice presidential debate in 2004 and
again in 2008, and in 2013 Gwen Ifill, along with journalist Judy Woodruff
were named co-anchors of PBC NewsHour. The all-female team was a first for
network television. That milestone was not lost on Ifill who told The New
York Times, when I was a little
girl watching programs like NewsHour, I would look up and not see anyone
who looked like me in any way – no women, no people of color.

I`m very keen about the fact that a little girl now watching the news when
they see me and Judy sitting side by side, it will occur to them that`s
perfectly normal. It won`t seem like any big breakthrough at all.

Gwen Ifill, journalist and trailblazer was 61-years-old.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Violence rules, predator/prey, that never changes.

UNIDENITIFIED MALE: I`m in a situation where I can`t run from, but my
whole time in the
streets, that`s all I`ve ever been doing is fighting so I`m looking like
I`m in a place where I always trained for but just didn`t know it.

UNIDENITIFIED MALE: The sad part is, the alternative to violence is more


HAYES: The documentary is called Rikers. It focuses on the experience of
men and women formerly detained in one of the most notorious jails in
America. Veteran journalist Bill Moyers is the film`s executive director.
It`s my great pleasure and honor to welcome you here now. Thank you for
being here.

BILL MOYERS, FILMMAKER: Good to be with you.

HAYES: I want to start with the film, which in many ways I think segues to
where we are at this moment in America, it`s about this human rights
disaster in many ways that is just off the tip of queens in New York City.
Why did you want to be part of this film?

MOYERS: I wanted to put a human face on the statistics and stories in the
print press that were coming out about the culture of cruelty there. This
was 15 to 16 months ago. And to raise the question, is this how, no matter
what the offense is, we want to treat people? What does it say, all of the
stories that have been told, powerful investigative reporting, what does it
say about our society as a civilization and as a democracy?

And I don`t appear in the film. We interviewed these men and women at
length and they tell
their story in their experience and their own voices.

HAYES: You know, it`s a place of great cruelty institutionally. The
thought I had watching it, and I watched it after the election was here
we`re sitting and talking about blue America and red America, racism and
this is in New York City. This institution is created by the mechanisms of
the state of one of the most, quote, liberal places in the whole country.

MOYERS: Oh, yeah, right here in – two miles from the financial center,
from our media center, from the theatrical center and we`re oblivious to
what is going on.

It`s a little bit like what happened at Abu Ghraib. Oh no, we don`t
torture, we don`t mistreat prisoners of war and then Abu Ghraib came with
those photographs of American soldiers sitting on top of those bodies. And
it happens right here. I mean, there`s 7,500, 8,000 men and women out
there right now as we speak, you know, 80 percent of them have not been
convicted of a crime.

HAYES: Right.

MOYERS: 40 percent of them are suffering from some sort of mental illness.
And we`ve all been oblivious to it.

HAYES: I want to ask you about – you`re someone who has been part of
politics. You`ve been in the White House. You`ve been a journalist. I
mean, what is your reaction to what happened in this country last week?

MOYERS: Well, it`s very complicated, because I think there were many
tributaries that flowed in the river that ran to the gulf. Many of them.

I think essentially we`re right to say there was this great concern out
there that many people missed about inequality and the growing gap between
the 1 percent and everybody else. I think it was a whitelash. I think 48
percent of the country, the voters of the country, were trying to push back
against the triumph of women finally getting a woman president and against
the people of color, the
changing nature color of the country. I think there was a big pushback

And I think the press for too long enabled Trump to get away with lies that
became beliefs in
the minds and hearts of people across the country, his followers. And I
think the two parties in Washington had been rotting for a long time.
Although, if Trump has his way, he`s going to restore the party in
Washington because it`s going to be a party of insiders once again.

A year that began in the Republican Party, and the Democratic Party, as an
uprising of the people is going to end as the triumph of the power brokers.

HAYES: I want to focus on one thing you said about the media`s role in
this because I think it`s something a lot of people have been talking
about. And obviously there`s no media right, there`s a million different

MOYERS: No, you`re in the media, I`m in the media, Bill O`Reilly`s in the
media. Rush Limbaugh…

HAYES: As are – as of now, fake new sites that appear on Facebook that
don`t even have the kind of pretense to factualism.

But one thing that struck me was, if you look at the editorial boards of
the American newspapers, and if you looked at the coverage of our sort of
tent pole papers, Washington Post, New York Times, they were quite
critical. They did report out…

MOYERS: In time, they really did.

HAYES: And yet it – whatever trust there may be between those voices of
authority and a large
swath of American voters has entirely gotten eroded.

MOYERS: When I was growing up a long time before you came around, the
saying was, a lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets his
shoe tied. Now a lie is ten times around the world before you even get out
of the bed and put the shoe on.

The Facebook, Twitter, the speed of communications today, it`s hard for
lies. It`s hard for a squad of lies to get catch up with a battalions –
of a squad of truth to get caught up with a battalion of
lies. And that`s one thing we`re overwhelmed with. If it`s the Niagara
Falls in the body politic of this country, just bringing toxic poison into
the system.

HAYES: You worked for the White House, right?

MOYERS: Four years.

HAYES: And right now I think there is this question about the strength of
American institutions, liberal institutions, the strength of a kind of
restraining set of norms embedded throughout the federal government from
the civil service all through the national security sphere to restrain any
impulses that might fall outside the boundaries of what we consider
American constitutional democracy.

Having been in that White House, how confident are you about that?

MOYERS: Not at all. I mean, and I have to be frank and say that part of
this gap between fact-based journalism and untrue journalism began with
the credibility gap of the Vietnam War, the continuing insistence on
putting a good face on what was going bad out there and then Watergate
deepened it. And we`ve never – and Reagan`s very fluent ability to
deceive and misrepresent.

It`s entered into the body politic, it`s entered into our arteries. And
governments, all governments lie. There`s a new documentary out about that
right now. And our defense against those
lies is crumbling, because you know what is happening to newspapers.
Newspapers are in really serious financial trouble, not enough revenue to
report the investigative journalism that needs to be done and this medium,
our medium, television, your medium and mine, is infused with entertainment
so that an entertainer becomes more believable, in fact, in the minds of
people out there than the truth teller.

And so I`m not optimistic, you know – I said to a friend of mine on Wall
Street how do you feel about the market? And he said I`m optimistic. And
I said why do you look so worried, then? He said Because I`m not sure my
optimism is justified. I want to believe that the truth will come out, but
I don`t really believe it is going to any time soon.

And the great danger of Bannon being in the same metaphorical room right
outside the Oval Office with the former chairman of the Republican National
Committee, you`re (inaudible) establishment with the ideology, you`re
putting a propagandist, and one who is not truthful, a tabloid publisher is
going to be the senior adviser to the president of the United States.

You showed some editorials in your previous segment of the headlines on
Breitbart`s white website. The one that really roiled me said, Gabby
Giffords – the congresswoman who was almost killed by a gunman – Gabby
Giffords, the human shield for the gun control movement.

I mean, how can these people be so, so brutish, so cruel, so insensitive to
what that headlines suggest, I don`t understand it.

HAYES: Yeah. I mean, I think that there`s a sort of – the sheer
indecency is part of the schtick. And there`s a question about whether
that wears thin with the American people or not.

MOYERS: And we`re going to have to honor, fund, and support the truth
tellers. It`s going to take independent journalists, because newspapers
are in trouble. We`re going to have to find a way to support independent
journalists who dare to tell the truth.

HAYES: Bill Moyers, it`s such a great honor, it`s a pleasure. Come back
any time.


HAYES: Whenever you want.

MOYERS: All right.

HAYES: Great to have you here. The documentary is called Rikers. It
premieres tomorrow night on WNAT in New York. We`ll stream on the website as well.

That is ALL IN for this evening. “THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW” starts right
now. Good evening, Rachel.


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