Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES Date: November 11, 2016 Guest: Michael Moore, Khizr Khan, Zephyr Teachout
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC ALL IN HOST: Tonight on ALL IN,
Michael Moore on what democracy looks like in the era of Trump. His take on how the Midwest was won and his to-do list to lead democrats out of the wilderness.
Plus, the president-elect hires his family to run the transition?
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DONLAD TRUMP, PRESIDENT-ELECT OF THE UNITED STATES: I have Ivanka and Eric and Don sitting there. Run the company, kids, have a good time.
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HAYES: Tonight, Rachel Maddow on the exploding conflicts just three days in, and the role the media needs to play in Donald Trump`s America.
And on Veterans Day .
An exclusive interview with Gold Star father Khizr Khan on what he needs to see from a Trump presidency. When ALL IN starts right now.
Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes. At this very hour, protests are happening across the country for the third straight night over the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States. We will be monitoring the scene throughout the hour.
After adopting a relatively conciliatory tone in the first 48 hours after his victory, Trump last night abandoned that posture to assail the protesters tweeting, "Just had a very open and successful presidential election. Now professional protesters incited by the media are protesting. Very unfair!"
This is the sort of thing we saw a lot during the campaign, but coming from the President-elect of the United States, it was a remarkably ominous sentiment.
Colleagues in media and activism please know this is a warning shot, tweeting New Yorker`s Jelani Cobb. Consider exactly what exactly the president-elect was suggesting that the tens of thousands of people that you`ve been seeing right now live out on the streets expressing their first amendment right to free speech and peaceful assembly, they`re quote "Professional protesters" that are part of a plot and that their presence can be blamed on the media.
It no less than the man who will soon be the most powerful person in the world assailing both the expression of freedom of assembly and the institutions of the free press covering that constitutionally protected activity.
The tweet out at the top of Trump`s feed for all to see for nine full hours until this morning when Trump followed up with this, "Love the fact that the small groups of protesters last night have passion for our great country. We will all come together and be proud."
Joining me now filmmaker Michael Moore whose new film is "Michael Moore in Trumpland. And you`ve been monitoring these protests. They`ve been happening -
MICHAEL MOORE, FILMMAKER: I`ve been part of them.
HAYES: Have been part of them? They`ve been quite organic. I mean, that is -
MOORE: Yes.
HAYES: -- nothing could be further than the truth.
MOORE: One, the first night, I was just in a cab going to a documentary meeting. And, all the traffic had stopped, I said, "What`s going on?" "Oh, there`s a protest out there." "Let me out." And I just joined it. I mean, that is - literally, no memo has gone out to anybody. This is just organically happening, and it`s happening all across the country, not just in the big cities. It`s happening in midsized cities, it was in Nashville and Milwaukee last night, and I just got photographs -
HAYES: Yes. We may have it or we may not. But describe -
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MOORE: OK. I just -- they just sent me from the town that I live in, in Michigan. It`s a small town of 14,000 people.
This is just an hour or so ago, and they`ve already taken to the streets in Traverse City, Michigan. I mean, if it`s happening in Traverse City, Michigan, all right? And it`s -- you know it`s going on everywhere.
So, I encourage everybody who is listening right now to tweet your photos, put them on Facebook, send them here to Chris, send them to MSNBC. I mean, let people see this, use social media. This is a powerful moment.
And frankly, as soon as Chris and I are done talking, turn the TV off, hit record, then turn it off then go out. Find a -- and if it`s not happening in your neighborhood, make it happen. Call up some friends, call up some neighbors. This is going to go on all night tonight.
HAYES: Let me - let me - let me ask you this. I mean, what we`ve seen - we`ve seen a real sort of reinvigoration in street protests in the last, I would say five years in the Obama presidency.
I think, "Occupy Wall Street" where it started in September 2011, "Black Lives Matter" movement, some of the direct action that`s been done on the environmental front particularly the DAPL or Dakota Access Pipeline where there`s been a standoff, it`s been an incredibly brave showing of nonviolent force.
Where do you see that going? Because it seems to me this is an expression of civil society certain segments of society saying we do not approve of the rhetoric you`ve used or the plans that are laid out, we do not approve of our fellow citizens being targeted. And then what? How does that build power, to your mind?
MOORE: OK. Well, first of all, this is going to grow larger than anything that we`ve seen in recent memory. It`s going to grow from last night to tonight, then to tomorrow night and the next night.
So phase one right now is just people get up out of the chair, go out into the street. Be peaceful but be heard. This is -- I`ve -- I predict this will be a very large thing. It`s going to lead to, on inauguration day, over a million people in Washington, D.C. There`s already a huge call out, of some people are calling it the "million woman march," or if you`re a guy, you can say million women plus one.
HAYES: Right.
MOORE: But it`s going to be massive. It`s going to be massive. Different local organizations are going to grow out of this because people -- we`re going to have to be very active to stop these Supreme Court nominations, to stop - to do what we need to do to take over the Democratic Party and put it in the hands of the people who are the Democratic Party, the progressive people that are the party.
That`s already started to happen today with Keith Ellison.
HAYES: Right. So, we`re going to - we`re going to talk about that. And you have this - you have this to-do list here that I want to get to. But before I get to that, one of the things I think there`s this fascinating political argument being had among all sorts of different parts of the ideological spectrum, there`s conservatives and paleocons that I`m in touch with, there`s republicans and there`s a big fight brewing in the left, center left, progressives, the left liberals.
One of the things I want to hear from you is, it seems to me the way this has been described is resisting or opposing Trump, and also reaching out to some segment that feels left behind, particularly a subsection of his voters, particularly a subsection of his white working class voters.
How do you see those two things intention or parallel?
MOORE: Well, I think, first of all, the white working class that mistakenly voted for him and they`re going to find out very soon just what an awful decision that was that they made.
They`re angry, they have a right to be angry, but they used him as a means for their revenge against the system. We won`t be able to convince them right now. They`re going to have to find out he`s going to make their lives even worse as a result of electing him.
Our job right now, really, is to just not do a whole lot of thinking, don`t -
HAYES: I get nervous when someone says that as political advise. I really do.
MOORE: Yeah. No, no, no. No, seriously. You don`t -- you know this. You don`t want to overthink things, right? You must have dated at some point in your life. Don`t overthink things, Chris.
You have to be spontaneous. You have to - you have to go, "Yeah, that`s right. I`ve sat here for the last two or three days depressed, upset, how did this happen? How is it that the person who got the most votes is not the President of the United States?"
HAYES: I can tell you the Electoral College of the United States. I can explain it to you.
MOORE: Oh, yeah. Well, we can`t change that - we can`t change that by next Tuesday. But we can - we can - this must not pass. This must not - we can`t keep this going.
I`m just encouraging people right now, it`s OK to operate on your raw energy and emotion because our voices must be heard.
Look at Trump`s tweet you just showed. He`s talking about "Just had a great presidential election and now these protesters are out here. Very unfair. Very unfair." You know, that he`s rattled already?
HAYES: Right.
MOORE: He`s -- I mean, this should be the happiest week of his life and he`s up, you know, oh!
HAYES: It is a remarkable thing. I think a lot of people across all sorts of the ideological spectrum were really taken aback by the tweet last (INAUDIBLE) although no one should --
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MOORE: All protesters be honored by this that he`s already the thin- skinned Donald Trump. Imagine what`s going to happen when the crowds double tonight and triple tomorrow night. Because that`s what`s going to happen.
HAYES: What about people who say what you are advocating is only going to raise the temperature and heighten the contradictions in the country that is incredibly polarized and frankly dangerous place?
MOORE: No.
HAYES: You don`t think the country`s in a dangerous place?
MOORE: It`s only dangerous because a sociopath who is a racist and misogynist and got elected by presenting an agenda of misogyny and racism. That`s how he built his core base, that`s how he got in there. Then he manipulated the final 20 percent who are not racist but are just angry at the system and he knew that, and so he says, I`m getting rid of NAFTA for you, and I`m going to - I`m going to stop those cars being made in Mexico and all this, and it made it sound like music to their ears. And so, they were deceived by him.
HAYES: And you must - you must - you must have Trump voters in your life.
MOORE: I don`t have them in my personal life. They`ve all been removed. No, seriously, everybody who`s white has Trump voters in their extended family.
Thanksgiving is coming up. OK. All right. So, we`ll deal with that. But I think I live in Michigan, I live -- that city you just showed.
HAYES: Traverse City.
MOORE: Traverse City. The city itself just went 59 percent for Hillary. For Bernie, they went 70 percent in the primary, but the county we live in just voted for Trump.
HAYES: For Trump, yes.
MOORE: And the counties around us that went for Obama -
HAYES: Also went for Trump.
MOORE: -- you know, also went for Trump. So, that`s a problem. And we`ve got to reach out to them when it`s appropriate. But right now, let me tell you something, the Trump machine is already way down the field. They`re already planning these nominations, these positions they`re going to fill. The first -
HAYES: Obamacare repeal, financial deregulation. Paul Ryan, you talked about - I want to get to this to-do list next.
But I got to say this because you mentioned that this sort of bait and switch. Paul Ryan is floating Medicare privatization. Now, think about this for a moment. That is a position opposed by both major party candidates, opposed by Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton voted for by no one, and it`s totally possible that that`s something the Republican Party - -
MOORE: And he`s talking about it as if it`s a thing. And, I want to tell you. Those first hundred days? How about the first 10 days? Seriously, Capitol Hill is going to look like a Marx Brothers movie where they`re just going to be whipping, who has got a bill? I got a bill, zoom. Who`s got a bill? Another bill coming for you. All those in favor, ding. All those in favor, ding.
You know, this is how it`s going to go, it`s going to go like that. And over to the White House to sign and liberals are going to be like, "Whoa, wait a minute. Wait, that`s not fair." You know?
Yes. Get the game face on, everybody now. Because this -- they are deadly serious about this, and it will be years before we undo the damage of their first 10 days.
HAYES: All right. So quickly, remember, Clinton won the popular vote which you mentioned is number five on your list.
MOORE: I`ve never forget that.
HAYES: There are four more. Take over the Democratic Party.
MOORE: Yes, immediately. Remove them all.
HAYES: Fire pundits who won`t acknowledge reality.
MOORE: I see the desk is mostly empty here tonight. Thank you, Chris. Next.
HAYES: Thank you for sparing me your purge. Dems in Congress who won`t fight must go. Primary them.
MOORE: That`s -- absolutely.
HAYES: That`s what the Tea Party did. People forget the first thing the Tea Party did wasn`t go after democrats.
MOORE: That`s right
HAYES: I mean, it did in terms of it showed up at those town halls. But electorally, the first thing the Tea Party really did, was primary republicans.
MOORE: At the spring break for congress, this coming spring, we are town halling these democrats, and if they are not standing in front of Trump and blocking his nominations to the Supreme Court, if they are not committed to a filibuster, if they - if they -- we`re going to put them on notice that we`re going to primary them in two years and we`re going to bring candidates that are going to win.
And I personally am going to be part of that process to make that happen.
HAYES: And finally, although, it`s number four on your list, stop saying you`re stunned.
MOORE: Yes. Stop - well, white people say they`re stunned because, you know, I didn`t see this coming.
If you`re black or Hispanic, you know, if you`re gay, if you`ve - if you`ve suffered under the oppressiveness of this system, you are not surprised by Donald Trump from day one. And when you heard him say on day one that Mexicans were rapists and murderers, you knew right then that there was trouble and there was going to be hell to pay.
HAYES: The train was coming.
MOORE: The train was coming.
HAYES: Speaking of train coming, we`ve got images right now of Atlanta, which is one of the places that people have been assembling peacefully, we should note, for protests to express their opposition to the President- elect of the United States Donald J. Trump.
Michael Moore, thank you for being with me. I really appreciate it.
MOORE: Thank you, Chris. And, you know, come on out, too, this weekend. I mean, I know we have to be a journalist and all that, but you`re also a citizen of this country.
HAYES: I`m a citizen of (INAUDIBLE)
MOORE: Yes. Right? And in a democracy, that means you`re an activist.
HAYES: All right. Up next, the great Rachel Maddow joins me to talk about the massive conflicts in Donald Trump`s transition team and the media`s responsibility as the Trump presidency approaches. That`s after the break.
And later, my exclusive interview with Gold Star father Khizr Khan on his reaction to the election of Donald Trump. That and much more ahead.
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HAYES: Now, that he`s actually going to be taking over the White House in a couple of months, Donald Trump is shifting his transition team into gear starting with a shake-up at the top.
As of today, Chris Christie is out as Trump`s transition chair. That job now goes to Vice President-elect Mike Pence. Instead, Christie will serve as a vice chair along with Ben Carson, Michael Flynn, Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani and Senator Jeff Sessions.
Trump also rolled out the rest of his transition team executive committee today, which includes Peter Teal, the libertarian tech billionaire who successfully brought down Gawker, and Chris Koback, Kansas Secretary of State who has been behind the drafting of some of the most aggressive anti- immigrant and anti-immigration laws in the country.
But by far the most eye-catching appointments of the committee are Trump`s three oldest children along with his son-in-law, Jared Kushner.
First of all, the transition team is a government entity complete with a .gov web site, and we have laws in this country against nepotism in government hiring. It`s unclear at the moment how they apply in this specific case.
On top of that there`s the fact that Trump`s kids are supposed to be taking over the family business in a so-called blind trust, although, it`s not going to be, set up to avoid conflicts of interest with the White House.
According to a Trump organization spokesperson in a statement today, "We are in the process of vetting various structures with the goal of immediate transfer of management of the Trump organization, its portfolio businesses to Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric Trump along with a team of highly skilled executives.
I`m pleased to welcome my MSNBC colleague, Rachel Maddow. And Rachel, I wanted to talk to you about this because we get so much coverage of the Clinton Foundation, which was the story went essentially a slush fund whereby people would donate to curry favor with the Secretary of State or the future President of the United States.
We`re now having a situation in which this business enterprise, which has no public disclosure because it`s privately held, run by the children of the sitting president, those same children are going to choose the people that staff the government like for instance the IRS.
RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC HOST: Yes. They`re in that incredibly active, you know, kinetic role in terms of deciding who`s going to be in the government.
Also, once the transition is over, even if he doesn`t give them jobs in the government, the plan is that they will be running, continuing to run his family business empire.
The whole idea of a blind trust is that the president is supposed to literally be unable to act using government policy in order to enrich himself or enrich herself because the trust is blind. The president doesn`t know what investments he or she has, doesn`t know whether or not something that he`s doing in behalf of the U.S. government is going to enrich him.
In this case, it`s not like people think he`s not going to speak to his children and he`ll be in a position to advise them, to change things about their investments, to change things about the company`s plans in order to account for information that he has specifically because he`s president, and there`s no way that any of us will ever know that.
It`s -- it is - it is a brick wall of a conflict of interest even after this transition.
HAYES: And just to play this out a little bit more, right, a company that`s seeking regulatory favors from the Trump administration could offer Ivanka a discount equity stake for the Trump portfolio and there`s no disclosure, there`s no -- I mean, that`s an entirely feasible thing that could happen in the United States starting January 20th.
MADDOW: And what - and how would we know? How would we know when that is happening? We have no transparency here other than what the president will choose to disclose, and I can`t imagine that he`s going to disclose anything if he`s calling this a blind trust, for example.
I mean, it is -- the thing that is - the thing that is stunning to me about this is that this evolves directly from his refusal to release his tax returns, right.
HAYES: Which he got away with.
MADDOW: He doesn`t release his tax returns, everybody says he got away with it. Everybody says, "Oh, that was a law." That`s just a norm in our politics. And I guess that norm is broken now.
I can see why he wouldn`t want to disclose his tax returns. It`s, you know, an invasion of his financial privacy and all that stuff. But then, once your president, are you still not going to release your tax returns? Are you still not going to tell us about your financial entanglements?
We are worried that you are going to use the power of the United States to enrich yourself and in fact, on day one they already did, because on his first dot-gov web presence, he`s listing his Trump properties. He`s listing literally the name of his wife`s QVC shopping channel jewelry line on his dot-gov web site.
So, they`re already using the resources of the government to enrich themselves while still not disclosing any of their other financial ties. It`s mind boggling.
HAYES: And the point you make here, right about - it segways into the role of the media in all this, right? Because this is going to require a level of sustained, not just reporting but pressure, frankly, for the public to know the things they have a right to know.
In some ways, I think the media, they tried to get the tax returns, I mean, but they didn`t. What do you -- how are you conceiving of the role of a free and independent press, as it walks into this totally uncharted territory?
MADDOW: Yes. I mean, part of the thing that I`m preoccupied by and that I think a lot of people are preoccupied by is his overt threats to press freedom. We see that in a - in a personal way in the way that he, you know, turned it into one of the highlights of his rallies that the people at his events should turn around and menace reporters in their midst and calling out individual reporters, and mocking individual reporters.
We saw it with the black list. We saw it with his refusal to have a press pool traveling with him even now that he`s the president-elect still refusing to do that.
But the other thing is he`s called for British-style libel laws in this country which is a way that in other countries that don`t have a first amendment, they put - you know, they bankrupt reporters, they put publications out of business.
They can keep people in fear of reporting on public officials in a way that you previously haven`t been able to do in this country. And so, to bring on Peter Thiel, this billionaire who is most famous in American life, not for the source of his wealth, but because he used it to bankrupt and put out of business an online Web source that he didn`t like because of the way they reported on him, all of those things together, I think - I think it`s a reasonable distraction for the press to have right now in terms of how the press is going to play its defense in terms of its own role.
In terms of our stance toward Trump, one of the things that`s going to be hard is just maintaining the level of newsiness, right?
HAYES: Right.
MADDOW: Of outrage and continuing rejection of stuff that he does that isn`t OK, even though he`s been doing it for a long time by the time we get around to reporting.
HAYES: You know and it strike me - I mean, I thought about this last night and I thought about talking with you last night and you were on air with that great, fascinating, Elizabeth Warren interview, when he tweeted, you know, "Just had a very open and successful presidential election. Now professional protesters incited by the media are protesting. Very unfair!"
And, you know, I read that and I said, you know, I was on air earlier showing protests because we`re covering protest, we`ve covered all sorts of protests over the years. That`s aimed at me. You know, that is - that is - that`s a warning shot from the president-elect of the United States to folks that are doing their constitutionally protected and in fact civically sacred duty of reporting and free expression. And I just wondered how you reacted to that.
MADDOW: You know, it is -- first of all, to call them professional protesters implies that they`re being paid. So, he is alleging a conspiracy. He`s looking at those people in the street and alleging that that is a paid conspiracy of elites against him. It`s a very short bridge from that for him to be then telling his supporters this is a paid conspiracy of the elites in the streets that is against you the American people because you chose me as your leader.
This is some sort of fifth column, you know, within the country. When you - when you look at other countries and the way that they respond to dissent, when you look at sort of strong men leaders around the world, and how they characterize what it means to protest against them, as a threat that other citizens must respond to or they ask for their own supporters to get into the street and wage battles with them, it starts with characterizing protests as the product of a conspiracy.
It`s just - it`s the - it`s the way it happens. And it usually happens in other languages. But because it doesn`t, we`re not used to it happening in this country. But there`s a -- that`s a strongman style response to dissent the world over.
And he`s already -- as of last night already taken the first step down that road in the way they all do it. And they all do it the same way. I just feel a lot of international echoes.
And I worry mostly about Donald Trump, not about whether or not he`s going to be able to pull off the stuff he has threatened to do.
The thing that I worry about the most, is how he is going to behave the first time he doesn`t get what he wants, the first time he finds himself stymied, the first time he tries to do something and can`t do it. What does he do when he`s mad?
He hasn`t behaved well when been angry or stymied during his short life as a politician. And I don`t know what he`ll do with the powers of presidency at that point.
HAYES: It makes - it makes the job of reporters, I think, in this era -- and not to sound grandiose, but I think it`s the most important it`s been in the American republic and I don`t think that`s a crazy hyperbolic thing to say.
MADDOW: Yeah. And, you know - and it`s - you know, Chris, saying it that way, taking it in terms of not being hyperbolic but there`s also a real threat.
I mean, we`ve seen over the course of our time in journalism and our time in TV, we`ve seen the strain on local papers, local reporters, beat reporters, you know, local TV stations, people working as anchors at local TV stations right now are getting paid $19,000 a year, you know? And their working three other jobs.
And, you know, during the Bridgegate trial, we saw the two two papers who broke the Bridgegate scandal and the political component of the Bridgegate scandal. We saw both of those news desks get gutted by their parent companies, because the business model isn`t there.
There`s already such pressure on reporters and editors and professional journalists just having jobs doing this stuff. And if we`re going to become political targets, convenient political targets in the way that Trump is already signaling, we`re going to have to have a defensive strategy in mind, and the country is going to have to decide in a broader way how we`re going to protect journalism in the same way we all are thinking about how we`re going to protect Muslim-Americans, how we`re going to protect these kids who came out and let themselves be known as undocumented dreamers because of President Obama`s proposal who are all now subject to deportation under Donald Trump and he says those are going to start day one.
I mean, we`ve got specific things that are threatened in new ways that weren`t necessarily strong to begin with, and we now need a national strategy of defense for those things if we really think they`re important, and if those communities really need us.
HAYES: That is extremely well put as always. Rachel Maddow, my good, good friend, my comrade, my buddy. Thank you.
MADDOW: Thank you. Chris, will you come on my show on Monday? Can we just have to keep doing back and forth for a few days?
HAYES: Yes, let`s keep doing this. Yes.
MADDOW: OK. Will do. Thanks, my friend.
HAYES: Still to come, the next fight for democrats, finding a leader for a party in crisis. More on that coming up.
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HAYES: The campaign of Hillary Clinton has conducted its initial postmortem on why they lost the election. Perhaps not surprisingly they are focused more on external factors than internal strategic mistakes they may have made.
But as we said last night there is an extremely strong case to be made that FBI Director James Comey`s letter to Congress played a decisive role.
In an e-mail, the Clinton campaign senior staff ahead of Clinton`s opinion research division writes we believe we lost this election in the last week, Comey`s letter in the last 11 days of the election both helped depress our turnout and also drove away some of our critical support among college educated white voters particularly in the suburbs.
They also think Comey`s second letter, which was intended to absolve Secretary Clinton actually helped to bolster Trump`s turnout. Clinton campaign offered supporting evidence like this exit polls indicate voters who decided who they were voting for more than a week before the election supported Secretary Clinton by 49 to 47.
Voters who decided in the last week broke for Trump by a larger margin, 42 to 47. These numbers were even more exaggerated in the key battleground states.
Of course, when you lose an election effectively by 110,000 votes across three states, you can literally point to 25 different things that were decisive. But like a basketball game, it gets lost with a last second shot, it`s hard enough to focus on the last shot.
And the last shot in this election came from James Comey. Now, that`s happened and in the past. So, for democrats trying to figure out where they can go differently going forward, they need to look back at the whole game. A democrat who ran a great campaign but still lost joins me to talk about that next.
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HAYES: The search is on for the next leader of the Democratic Party with an interim chair currently heading up the Democratic National Committee. Democrats are lining up to run for that job. Former Vermont Governor Howard Dean says he wants a second tenure as DNC chair, tweeting, "the Dems need organization and focus on the young, need a 50 state strategy and tech rehab. I`m in for chairman again."
Another former governor, Maryland`s Martin O`Malley has also thrown his name in as a possible candidate.
But there`s a third person whose name keeps coming up: Congressman Keith Ellison from Minnesota, one of only two Muslims in congress and an African-American who represents a district that is more than 65 percent white.
Ellison, a member of the party`s progressive and populist wing, one of only a handful of Democratic members of congress to endorse Bernie Sanders during the primary says he`ll make an announcement Monday about whether he will be an official candidate.
He has the backing of Senator Bernie Sanders and also somewhat surprisingly, the backing of Chuck Schumer who is in line to become the minority leader in the Senate and from the opposite part of the ideological spectrum in the party.
Joining me now is Zephyr Teachout, another Democrat who ran for congress as a progressive in the mold of Bernie Sanders and lost on Tuesday.
Good to have you here.
ZEPHYR TEACHOUT, LAW PROFESSOR: Great the be on.
HAYES: So you`re in a district -- you`re a Sanders person...
TEACHOUT: Yep.
HAYES: You fought an insurgent primary battle against the Lieutenant governor of the state of New York.
TEACHOUT: The governor.
HAYES: The governor, right.
Then you ran in this race.
TEACHOUT: Yes.
HAYES: You were endorsed by Bernie Sanders, that`s sort of your vision and your politics.
TEACHOUT: I`m an FDR Democrat.
HAYES: Yeah, you`re an FDR Democrat.
TEACHOUT: Yeah, we got Hyde Park in our district. And I actually think it`s a time for some return to some FDR Democratic principles. And one of the things that is so relevant right now, I think, is that FDR -- remember this was a sitting president, said that we had to take on these princes who want to take over our politics and that we had to wake up to economic and political tyranny.
And FDR said just as the minutemen fought political tyranny, we have to fight economic tyranny.
And I think we need a little more of that spirit in our Democratic Party, a willingness to take on the princes of Wall Street, a willingness to take on the elite financiers and say, no we`re standing up for working men and women.
HAYES: So, here`s my question for you. Your district was one of these classic districts that we`re now studying, right? It was six point...
TEACHOUT: Obama won by six points four years ago. It looks like the numbers will shake out but looks like Trump won by ten or more points.
HAYES: I mean, that`s an enormous swing.
TEACHOUT: Yeah, yeah.
HAYES: Did you see it on the ground when you were campaigning? Did you feel the wave coming?
TEACHOUT: You could. And I mean, the anger was everywhere. So again, like Democrats didn`t necessarily turn out and then surprising people turned out. But the big thing that I felt is this incredible anger at elites, at Wall Street, at the establishment, you know, people who were saying, wait, it`s not getting better for us. Don`t tell us it`s getting better for us, because it`s not getting better for us. Where are our jobs? Where are our union jobs?
And one of the things I think that Democrats have to do is be fighting for unions not just in election years but all the time.
HAYES: Did it feel -- I mean, your district is a largely white district, majority white. It`s not like a big urban...
TEACHOUT: It`s about 90 percent.
HAYES: Yeah, it`s 90 percent white.
HAYES: Yeah, it`s 90 percent white. Did if feel -- you know, there`s this question about how racialized this all was, right. I mean, a lot of people are looking at Trump and they`re seeing a guy said these explicitly bigoted things about all these different groups and they`re scratching their head that white people voted for him.
TEACHOUT: I mean, you`re going to hear all kinds of different reasons. You were just saying there`s 25 different reasons for every loss.
HAYES: Yeah.
TEACHOUT: 25 reasons for every win.
But I`ll tell you that when I talked to people, again, around our district, the anger I felt was more an anger about real basic things like water and jobs.
HAYES: Water?
TEACHOUT: Well, water`s a big issue in the Hudson valley and people wanting to protect water. And then Flint, we have our own Flint in Husic Falls in New York, and the mothers of Flint came to visit with the mothers of Husic Falls -- I mean, just not being able to trust that you can turn on the water.
So, a lack -- I guess I would say it`s a deep lack of trust that political elites were really paying attention.
HAYES: So then how -- so my question to you -- and I know this is a hard thing to ask because you just ran a race and you lost and it doesn`t feel good to lose, but in some ways it`s like there`s this theory that`s emerging that the Sanders` message is the message to win back those folks - - economic populism, right, what you`re talking about. You ran on that message in that district and it didn`t work.
TEACHOUT: Well, look, every race down ballot is different. And we did slightly outperform top of the ticket.
HAYES: You did.
TEACHOUT: Which -- but honestly in my own race, the other thing that was at play -- and this is really important, and I think has been hidden.
HAYES: Completely, yes.
TEACHOUT: In the Trump story is the dark money that came out. And the dark money that came into congressional races. So we`re six years in to Citizens United land, and I felt like I was living in Citizens United land. I was theoretically running against John Faso, my opponent. But I was actually running against $7 million in super PAC money. This is much more than my opponent ever raised.
HAYES: And it just flooded in.
TEACHOUT: It just flooded in.
And I -- there`s two guys, Paul Singer, Robert Mercer, and I think we should be naming names, who spent well over $500,000 in my race. And Paul Singer`s PAC was putting in $50,000 on the last day. These are guys who have no connection to the district.
So, if that that`s happening in my district, that`s happening all around the country.
HAYES: We need to do a dark money postmortem, because the money was so unique there. People lost sight of what happened down ballot.
TEACHOUT: Right, but it`s part of the anger that is -- that we`re seeing.
HAYES: Zephyr Teachout, thanks so much for joining us. I really appreciate it.
TEACHOUT: Great to be on. Thanks.
HAYS: All right, you`re seeing there more images of some of the street protests happening tonight. And still to come, my interview with interview with gold star father Khizr Khan on this Veterans Day. How he`s reacting to President-elect Donald Trump.
Plus, a very important Thing One, Thing Two, seriously, right after this break. Stick around.
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HAYES: Thing One tonight, a major storyline of this election is the fog of disinformation that blatantly false reports on push by bogus web sites posing as news organizations that flooded social media and especially Facebook.
Now "All In" noticed a prime example of that this week, a Facebook comment citing a supposed Hillary Clinton email with a screen shot of that alleged email which read under the headline what makes for successful immigration - - and I`m going to quote the email here as presented, "some groups of people are almost always highly successful given only half a chance, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs and Chinese people, for example, while others - - Muslims, blacks and Roma, for instance, fare badly almost irrespective of circumstances. The biggest group of humanity can be found somewhere between those two extremes, the perennial overachievers and the professionals never-do-wells."
Wel, that`s seems pretty bigoted and pretty explosive, and it would be a huge story if true. So we looked into it and found it actually exists, that`s a real email in the hacked John Podesta emails hacked by WikiLeaks. But there is way more to this story, and that is Thing Two in just 60 seconds.
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HAYES: So we looked into the claim that Hillary Clinton allegedly wrote an email calling Muslims and African-Americans, quote, never-do-wells and suggested they can`t assimilate. And it turns that language does appear in the John Podesta email dump, the criminally hacked emails that were released by WikiLeaks. You can actually see the email posted on the WikiLeaks site.
But if you read that email you will notice pretty quickly it was not sent by John Podesta, it was sent to him along with 20 other recipients from an account called Orca100@UPCmail.ML, apparently based in The Netherlands. It`s spam, a racist alt-right spam email that was sent to Podesta as well as a dozen reporters who were also recipients. I get these sometimes from various people.
But despite this being spam, in mid-October several bogus news sites and alt-right outlets took it and ran posts reading things like this, WikiLeaks bombshell, Hillary`s racist remarks about blacks.
Think about that. Podesta receives a piece of spam mail and eventually, through the weaponized use of disinformation online, voters ended up reading and believing that Podesta or even Hillary Clinton herself wrote it.
This is also a reminder of the potent combination between not just fake news, but the most destructive and successful act of criminal political sabotage committed against one campaign probably in the history of this country.
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HAYES: In the wake of Donald Trump`s victory, we`ve seen a flood of statements from President Obama to congressional Democrats that are fairly conciliatory, noting they`re willing to work with the president-elect while also pledging to oppose his rhetoric and bigotry in all forms.
Outgoing senate minority leader Harry Reid was having none of that. Reid issuing a powerful statement earlier, acknowledging that the terror that many are feeling and noting that Donald Trump`s electoral success has emboldened the forces of hate and biogry in America, quote, "we as a nation must find a way to move forward without consigning those who Trump has threatened to the shadows. Their fear is entirely rational, because Donald Trump has talked openly about doing terrible things to them. Every news piece that breathlessly obsesses over inauguration preparations compounds their fear by normalizing a man who has threatened to tear families apart, who has bragged about sexually assaulting women, and who has directed crowds of thousands to intimidate reporters and assault African-Americans. Their fear is legitimate, and we must refuse to let it fall through the cracks between the fluff pieces. If this is going to be a time of healing, we must first put the responsibility for healing where it belongs at the feet of Donald Trump, a sexual predator who lost the popular vote and fueled his campaign with bigotry and hate. Winning the electoral college does not absolve Trump of the grave sins he committed against millions of Americans. Donald Trump may not possess thecapacity to assuage those fears, but he owes it to this nation to try. If trump wants to roll back the tide of hate he unleashed he has a tremendous amount of work to do and he must begin immediately."
One of the people who Donald Trump attacked during this campaign, Khizr Khan joins me next.
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HAYES: President Obama called for unity at Arlington National Cemetery earlier in honor of this Veterans Day. The president encouraged the country to search for ways to come together, you couldn`t help but note that this time next year, it will be President Donald Trump honoring Veterans Day, a man who belittled American generals, mocked POWs and attacked the family of a fallen U.S. soldier.
And joining me now a member of that family, Khizr Khan, the father of army captain Humayun Khan, who was killed while serving in Iraq.
And thank you for your time tonight, Mr. Khan. And I want to start just by asking your feelings having watched this man who did attack your family and sort of cast aspersions on your faith, frankly, be elected to serve as president and commander-in-chief of the men and women like your son?
KHIZR KHAN, FATHER OF HUMAYUN KHAN: Chris, before I answer your question, first, I want to pay tribute to all gold star families and all brave men and women that have sacrificed in defense of this country values of this country, democracy of this country and all men and women of our armed forces, we extend our sincere thanks for standing up to the values of this country.
I want to add briefly that whenever we go to pay our respect and visit to Captain Humayun Khan, alongside in the same section of Arlington Cemetery where there are other brave soldiers but there are four other Muslim soldiers that are buried that were killed in Iraq or Afghanistan and their names are Major Thomas Heron (ph), Specialist Rasheed Khan (ph), Sergeant Amman Taha (ph), Sergeant Karshif Memmon (ph), and of course Captain Humayun Khan. These are brave Muslim soldiers that are buried in section 60. So, my very sincere and my really humble request to this president- elect is that he must, he must take first step towards the reconciliation.
My journey continues to speak about the values of this country, the constitution of this country. We are told after watching this candidate, after watching this president-elect for a year and a half of his bigotry, of his statements of demeaning women, his statements of misogyny, his statement -- racial statements towards Muslims and other ethnicities, we are told on Wednesday by our leadership that we must come together and we must accept him as our leader.
Wait a minute. It does not work that way. For a successful candidate, it is his obligation to address the concern of all Americans, not only just those who have voted for him. And I want to remind Mr. Trump that you have not gotten the majority of popular vote. Those votes are still concerned on the streets and the number of those votes is growing on the streets. Their concerns must be addressed -- for he may have won the electoral college, but he must win the respect of everyone and respect is not given by demand, respect is earned. And that is his first step.
Yet it has been three days that we have not heard anything of reconciliation, anything of leading entire America forward. All we`ve heard is blaming our fourth pillar of democracy, which is press, that somehow these protests are incited by media. This practice must come to an end if this president-elect wishes to have -- move our country forward, wishes to have a government that will move our country forward. My mission, my journey continues throughout into next year and that journey is of reconciliation, of healing, of moving forward, but from the successful candidate we have not heard.
So I would urge him -- I hate to continue to give him lessons in civics, but somebody has to speak on behalf of all these folks that are standing on the streets. These folks are scared because of his statements and his policies, and he has not extended hand of courtesy, has not extended hand of affection, hand of reconciliation.
A decent winner would do that at the very first day that now that I have been elected your president, I am president for entire United States, but he has not done that.
HAYES: Mr. Khan, there have been reports, some are anecdotal, but some have police reports attached to them, of acts of bigotry committed by American citizens towards other American citizens whether they`re African- American or Muslim-Americans, you know, under the name of President-elect Trump. Do you feel -- how do you feel as a Muslim American in your community among friends, people you worship with, do people feel like they`re targets right now?
KHAN: Every child, every thoughtful Muslim is concerned not only Muslim is concerned, but Latino Americans are concerned, other minorities are concerned. And these incidents reported in the media with pictures, with photos, with videos, they`re carrying Trump`s banners, they`re wearing Trump`s hats. They`re wearing Trump t-shirts. That is an obligation of this newly elected candidate that has become our -- that will become our president, that he owes this to communities, to minorities, these are patriot Americans.
HAYES: To come out and...
KHAN: ...he owes them.
HAYES: To come out and condemn and extend the hand of reconciliation.
KHAN: That is -- that should have been done. Where are his surrogates? Where are his advisers? Why aren`t they telling him? It`s this protest, these protests may expand and it may get difficult to contain afterwards.
HAYES: Mr. Khan, thank you so much for your time tonight. I really appreciate it. And thank you again for your son`s service on this Veteran`s Day, and for the service of all like him. Thank you very much.
KHAN: Thank you.
HAYES: That is All In for this evening.
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