All In With Chris Hayes, Transcript 11/3/2016

Adam Schiff, Cornell Belcher, Wayne Barrett, Dave Zirin, Jason Johnson

Date: November 3, 2016
Guest: Adam Schiff, Cornell Belcher, Wayne Barrett, Dave Zirin, Jason



DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: Stay on point, Donald. Stay on

HAYES: An unprecedented escalation five days out.

TRUMP: The FBI agents say their investigation is likely to yield an

HAYES: The Republican nominee marshaling lies and law enforcement leaks to
attempt a comeback.

Tonight, the state of the race and new reporting on how the Trump campaign
is using the FBI to try to win the White House.

RUDY GIULIANI, FORMER NYC MAYOR: We got a couple things up our sleeve.

HAYES: Then, as Duke debates –

DAVID DUKE, LOUISIANA SENATE CANDIDATE: Just watch what`s happening to Mr.

HAYES: – the president escalates.

Klan sympathizers before you are president, you will accept their support
after you are president.

HAYES: Plus, the incredible irony of Melania Trump.

MELANIA TRUMP, WIFE OF DONALD TRUMP: Our culture has gotten too mean and
too rough.

HAYES: And, it has happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Cubs win the World Series!

HAYES: The sweet escape of a victory 108 years in the making.

And ALL IN starts right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They did it! They did it! They did it!


HAYES: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes. With just five days
until the election, Donald Trump`s entire closing argument now rests on
criminalizing his opponent Hillary Clinton. And agents within an arm of
the nation`s highest law enforcement agency, the FBI, appear to be helping
him. If there`s any doubt that FBI director James Comey`s announcement of
new Clinton-related e-mails would be exploited for political purposes,
regardless of his intent, check out this new ad released today by the Trump


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hillary Clinton is under FBI investigation again after
her e-mails were found on pervert Anthony Weiner`s laptop. Think about
that. America`s most sensitive secrets unlawfully sent, received, and
exposed by Hillary Clinton, her staff, and Anthony Weiner? Hillary cannot
lead a nation while crippled by an investigation.


HAYES: OK, almost all of that either isn`t true or is grossly misleading
or can`t be possibly be known at this moment – or is contradicted by the
FBI`s own official findings back in July. Trump has gone from vowing to
throw Clinton in jail if he`s elected, to arguing it doesn`t really matter
who the voters choose next week. Clinton simply cannot be a legitimate

And now a faction within the FBI appears to be helping him make the case.
Since Comey`s disclosure last year, there`s been a flood of competing leaks
from within the bureau, some apparently meant to benefit one campaign, some
the other.

Among the leaks, anonymous sources told “The Wall Street Journal”, the FBI
had begun a probe of the Clinton Foundation more than a year ago to
determine whether financial crimes or influence-peddling occurred related
to the charity. According to new reporting today in “The Journal”, that
investigation started in summer 2015 based on claims made in the highly
partisan book, “Clinton Cash”, by conservative author Peter Schweitzer.
The story goes on to describe rank and file agents` frustration after FBI
supervisors and DOJ prosecutors declined to pursue the probe much further.

Continuing the counter leaking, “The Guardian” reports today, based on FBI
sources, that all those damaging leaks stem from deep antipathy to Clinton
within the bureau. The FBI is Trumpland, said one current agent.

Another story today from “The Daily Beast” today describes various ties
between the Trump campaign and the FBI, focusing on the former head of the
bureau`s New York office, now a Trump supporter. The author of that story
will join me coming up in just a bit.

Now, this is not the first evidence we have seen of a deep affinity between
Donald Trump and law enforcement in general. He`s been endorsed by various
unions representing different law enforcement agencies, including the
nation`s largest police union, the Fraternal Order of Police, and we`ve
seen officers land in hot water for mixing their power with politics.
Officers in San Antonio recently got in trouble after wearing “Make America
Great Again” hats while in uniform on duty to escort Donald Trump from the
airport. And we told you about the police union president in
Massachusetts, the guy on the right there, who had to apologize for fake-
arresting a fake Hillary, also in uniform.

Now it appears FBI agents are turning to Fox News to push their agenda.


BRET BAIER, FOX NEWS HOST: Breaking news tonight, two separate sources
with intimate knowledge of the FBI investigations into the Clinton e-mails
and the Clinton Foundation tell Fox the following. The investigation into
the Clinton Foundation, looking into possible pay for play interaction
between Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the Foundation, has been
going on for more than a year. The Clinton Foundation investigation is a,
quote, “very high priority”. They describe the evidence that they have as,
quote, “a lot of it” and there is an avalanche coming every day. These
sources said, yes, the investigations will continue. There`s a lot of
evidence. And barring some obstruction in some way, they believe they`ll
continue to likely an indictment.


HAYES: OK. This is a remarkable thing that happened and then Fox host
Bret Bair walked back the claim of a looming indictment somewhat this
morning. But the upshot is no less disturbing.


BAIER: That`s not the process. That`s not how you do it. You have to
have a prosecutor. If they don`t move forward with a prosecutor with the
DOJ, there would be, I`m told, a very public call for an independent
prosecutor to move forward.


HAYES: According to NBC News chief justice correspondent Pete Williams,
Baier`s reporting is bogus. There is no investigation to speak of. But
sure enough, by this afternoon, that report was already loaded on to the
teleprompter as part of Trump`s sub speech out on the campaign trail with a
few extra embellishments.


TRUMP: They say the federal bureau that it`s likely to yield a very, very
serious charge or an indictment. I`m just saying – that`s what the
newspapers are saying. That`s what the reports are. Hillary Clinton has
engaged in far-reaching criminal conduct, and in an equally far-reaching
criminal cover-up. She is likely to be under investigation for many years.
And also it will probably end up, in my opinion, in a criminal trial.


HAYES: OK. No, sir. He said the newspapers are reporting the report.
That`s not true. There`s a single report which was walked back and has
been debunked by our own Pete Williams, who I trust on this stuff.

And that`s the new threat Trump and his allies are now making to Clinton
and her supporters and the country at large. Elect Hillary Clinton and
we`ll take down her whole administration. Heck, the whole functioning

Earlier today, right here on MSNBC, Republican operative Dallas Woodhouse
brought a pair of handcuffs to an interview, calling them, quote, “Clinton
inauguration jewelry”. Today, GOP congressman Bob Goodlatte, chairman of
the House Judiciary Committee, and Jason Chaffetz, chairman of the House
Oversight Committee, wrote a letter to Attorney General Loretta Lynch,
asking her to preserve all documents related to the DOJ`s Clinton probes,
presumably for investigations of their own.

And Congressman Mike McCaul, chair of the House Homeland Security, has
become the latest Republican to float the I-word, impeachment.


REP. MICHAEL MCCAUL (R), TEXAS: Assuming she wins and the investigation
goes forward, and it looks like an indictment is pending, at that point in
time, under the Constitution, the House of Representatives would engage in
an impeachment trial. It would go to the Senate and impeachment
proceedings and removal would take place. I would hate to see this country
being thrown into a constitutional crisis because of Hillary Clinton`s


HAYES: I`m joined now by Congressman Adam Schiff, Democrat from
California, ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on

And, Congressman, first I want you to respond to your colleague,
Congressman Mike McCaul saying that, a constitutional crisis, which seems
as much a kind of threat or a promise as it is a description of what would
ensue. And already talking about impeachment. I mean, it is remarkable.

REP. ADAM SCHIFF (D), CALIFORNIA: Well, it`s really breathtaking. And I
think what you`re seeing, Chris, is what we have seen on display for the
last several years, and that is the GOP in Congress is really not a party
of ideas anymore. It`s not a party of legislation. They can`t agree among
themselves. So they`ve become the party of investigation and the party of

And even before there`s an election, they`re saying that basically they`re
going to continue just what they have, even if there`s no basis for it.
That`s just what they do. And I think this will I hope have an impact on
candidates down ballot who don`t want to see that kind of gridlock, that
kind of obstructionism, that kind of try to take down the president at any
costs kind of a Congress that we`ve had with the GOP leadership.

But I think it all gets back to the fact that the GOP is at war with
itself, and the only thing to agree on these days is to have endless
investigations. I served for two years on the Benghazi Select Committee,
which after $7 million of taxpayer finding, found nothing about Benghazi
that we didn`t know from the other eight investigations. And now the
Republicans are just promising more of that.

HAYES: You know, I want you to comment a bit on the FBI, because I have to
– first of all, I wantto distinguish between Comey`s actions, which, you
know, people think that was the wrong or right judgment, but in terms of
his motives, let`s put those to the side.

To me, the much more worrisome thing about the FBI and its integrity,
frankly, is these warring leaks coming out of the bureau. I mean, this is
– you can`t run an election with the people entrusted with confidentiality
in pursuing high-profile investigations going on, you know, anonymously
talking to reporters to try to pursue a political agenda. It`s madness.

SCHIFF: You`re absolutely right. And I think you do distinguish the two.
In the case of Director Comey, I think this was a terrible error in
judgment to inject the FBI into the race effectively with the publication
of this letter. The DOJ policies against talking about pending or ongoing
elections – excuse me, investigations around election time are there for
good reason. They`re designed to ensure fairness to the subject of the
investigation and also to keep the FBI out of political campaigns.

But following that, we have seen something even more disturbing. And that
is you`re seeing FBI agents apparently willing to go to the press, to leak,
to try to have an influence on the election.

I worked with the bureau for almost six years as an assistant U.S. attorney
in Los Angeles. The vast majority of agents are very professional, among
the best that I ever worked with. But those that are leaking right now
need to understand they are doing lasting and incalculable damage to the
FBI. They are damaging the FBI`s credibility and its reputation, and that
is really hard to repair once it`s been damaged.

HAYES: And I would add the institutional integrity of American democracy,

Congressman Adam Schiff, thank you for your time. Appreciate it.

SCHIFF: Thank you.

HAYES: Joining me now, my colleague Joy Reid, host of “AM JOY” right here
on MSNBC, and Democratic pollster Cornell Belcher.

And I mean, I really – I find this stunning and worrisome. And again I
want to be really fair here. Like, there was someone leaking about the
Manafort preliminary inquiry the other day.

JOY REID, MSNBC HOST, “AM JOY”: They shouldn`t be doing that.

HAYES: They should not be doing either, which seemed like tit for tat.
It`s like OK, well, you were going to do this and we`re going to do that.
And you`ve got this situation now where the sort of domino of Comey coming
forward, the parade of leaks, and now Donald Trump running ads and just
saying – after months of lock her up, I mean, they`re basically saying it
doesn`t matter what happens on Tuesday.

REID: Yes.

HAYES: We`re going to put her in jail. That`s the election.

REID: This is banana republic territory. Adam Schiff is very urbane and
nice man; I think he was very gentle about it. This is not democracy.

Let`s review. The FBI can take your freedom. They have incredible power
over you.


REID: We now have a cell essentially within the FBI allied with Rudy
Giuliani, who was Hillary Clinton`s opponent for Senate in 2000. When what
did she run on? What made law enforcement mad at her? She came out and
publicly denounced the murders of Amadou Diallo and Patrick Dorismond,
incurring the hatred of New York law enforcement.

Now you have elements of the New York-based FBI determined to lock her up.
And they aren`t just talking about it or using their one vote, which they
have like anybody else. They can be Republicans if they want. They`re
taking a hack book, which is financially related to the CEO of the Donald
Trump campaign – Peter Schweitzer runs a fake sham foundation that was
begun by Steven Bannon.

So you have the financially connected CEO of the Republican presidential
candidate connected to a book that agents then used to launch an
investigation. Which they can do against anybody, by the way. They can
investigate you based on a sham book and intend to put you in prison. And
then they`re colluding with Republican members to say we`re going to take
this sham investigation – we don`t care what Comey says. We`ll put her in
prison for being the opponent of our preferred candidate for president.

HAYES: It is – it seems like a fundamental breakdown in just the sort of

REID: It`s not democracy.

HAYES: Yes. I mean, Cornell, you know, you`re a pollster. And so there`s
this question, right, about what this is doing to people. And I think
largely the polling evidence suggests that this doesn`t change anyone`s
mind – Comey`s, you know, actions or et cetera.

What it does appear to me clearly in the polls is that this gives
Republican partisans what they probably were looking for already to come

CORNELL BELCHER, DEMOCRATIC POLLSTER: It emboldens them. And it`s really
sad because this is part of a continuum actually that we see, that I would
argue started with President Obama`s election. And I argue that in my new

But it`s a continuum where you have people who are willing to use whatever
means they have to really undo what the majority of Americans now are
saying you want to do. When they sat around in Washington before President
Obama was elected and decided that they were going to block everything he
tried to do in order to make him a failed president, and then went about
doing that. When you had Senator Mitch McConnell talking about the No. 1
priority in the Senate was to make Barack Obama a failed president and a
one-term president. When you have Senate Republicans right now talking
about, you know, an indefinite block of Supreme Court nominees by Hillary
Clinton, you have people throwing a temper tantrum and trying to undo the
will of the American people because they`re not getting their way. It is a
frightening place in democracy.

When we hear the FBI in collusion with partisan Republicans – you know,
Joy, you are right. I mean, it is sort of, you know, banana republic kind
of things. And the moderate swath of voters in this country, you know,
they have to step back and take – and take control of the situation. If
you`re a moderate, middle of the road voter, and you`ve been voting
Republican, you`ve got to think about sort of what`s going on in this –
going on right now in this country and in these congressional districts
that they`ve gerrymandered. You`ve got to think about whether or not you
have to take a break from voting Republican, seriously, in order to stop
this from happening.

HAYES: Yes, I just want to – two things, quickly. One is, look. I mean,
the point here is there`s a process and it should be – right? I mean the
sort of integrity of law enforcement`s really important. And, you know, if
there were – you know, some smoking gun criminal evidence, they should
pursue that. Right? I mean, that should be the case. It`s the breakdown
in the sort of chain of command that`s so worrying.

The other thing I think is, you know, we have someone from the Trump
campaign on the record talking about their voter suppression efforts.
That`s then sort of been walked back. But it strikes me this is part of
that. They basically said to Democrats you can go – you can win, but
we`re going to impeach her. We`re going to block her. We`re going to hang
her up in investigations. So maybe it`s not worthwhile to vote.

REID: This is the – it`s the – so with the Barack Obama, you had the
sort of defenestration of politics. We`re going to make the presidency not
worth having. You can be president; we`re not going to let you be
president. We`ll stop you from doing anything.

HAYES: Right.

REID: Because we run this country. We don`t care who the president is.
We don`t care who voted for you. We run this country no matter who you

With Hillary Clinton, this is the criminalization of politics. Remember,
Donald Trump campaign is rife with people from the Clinton wars. David
Bossie`s in there. Citizens United is about Hillary Clinton. Remember, it
is about trying to use –

HAYES: The 20-year war.

REID: It`s a 20-year war. You`ve got Kellyanne Conway`s husband, veteran
of the Clinton wars. You`ve got this cabal of people who, OK, you want to
be the Clinton cabal? But you can now have the FBI help you do that?

HAYES: Yes, that is the – that is the worrisome factor.

REID: That isn`t America.

HAYES: Joy Reid and Cornelle Belcher, thank you both. Appreciate it.

OK, don`t go away. Up next, the incredible details reported by Wayne
Barrett Joy was just alluding today about the active connections between
Rudy Giuliani and the pro-Trump agents within the FBI. Wayne Barrett is
here after this two minute break.



GIULIANI: But I`m going to be in Texas tomorrow, then I`m going to go to
Nevada, Colorado, and come back through New Hampshire. And I`ll do my own
campaigning so there won`t be the 10,000 that he gets but maybe I get 2,000
or 3,000.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, then call us from the road. Beause we would
love to hear from you how things are –

GIULIANI: And then I think he`s got a surprise or two that you`re going to
be hear about in the next few days.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right, Rudy Giuliani.

GIULIANI: I mean, I`m talking about some pretty big surprise.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I heard you say that this morning. What do you

GIULIANI: You`ll see.


GIULIANI: We`ve got a couple things up our sleeve that should turn this


HAYES: Huh. One of Donald Trump`s top surrogates, former New York City
Mayor Rudy Giuliani, brought up umprompted some, quote, “pretty big
surprises” in the works just two days before FBI direcotr James Comey sent
his bombshell letter to Congress detailing the discovery of new e-mails
that may or may not pertain to Hillary Clinton`s private server, ones that
they had not viewed.

Now, new reporting suggests Giuliani may have been hinting about that
revelation two days before it became public because of Giuliani`s
connections to the New York FBI office and one former FBI official in
particular. The investigative journalist Wayne Barrett broke the story
today in a piece for “The Daily Beast” titled “Meet Donald Trump`s Top FBI

And Wayne Barrett joins me now. Wayne, tell me about this sort of what
your reporting found and who Jim Kallstrom is.

WAYNE BARRETT, INVESTGATIVE JOURNALIST I`m out here in our neighborhood,

HAYES: Good.

BARRETT: Or as you like to call it, Cub Land.

HAYES: Yes, that`s right.

BARRETT: But James Kallstrom was the head of the FBI office in New York
for a number of years, and it was a number of years ago, but for many
reasons he has maintained enormous ties with FBI agents, particularly in
the New York area. He had a TV show called “The FBI Files” that was on air
until 2006. And he runs a foundation that is called the Marine Corps Law
Enforcement Foundation. And it`s the Marines that are in any FBI and other
federal law enforcement agencies are part of it, so he has a continuing
stream of relationships with FBI agents.

As does Rudy Giuliani. Giuliani`s law firm, at least the one he`s been
with for many years – he just left it this year – is Bracewell. It was
called Bracewell Giuliani, and they represent the FBI agent association of
13,000 members. And Rudy has been intimately tied with that organization
for a number of years. So they both have legions of FBI relationships.

I want to make it clear. I have known a lot of FBI agents in my life.
Some of the best people I have ever known.

HAYES: Absolutely, yes.

BARRETT: They actually invited me to go to Quantico. I spent two days
there talking to the public corruption agents across America. And, you
know, I think, you know, Joy Reid just said it`s a cell. I called it “the
fifth column” within the FBI. I certainly don`t want to disparage the
agency itself or the vast majority of agents. But there are some that I
think are clearly violating guidelines if not laws in these open

I do want to go back, Chris, to your prior discussion, because you really
have to parse what Bret Baier said on Fox, and because it`s just being
constantly misrepresented. He did not cite FBI sources.

HAYES: That`s right. Sources close to the investigation or familiar with
the investigation.


HAYES: That`s right.

BARRETT: Yes. And if you look at Devlin Barrett`s stories in The Wall
Street Journal”, that big long one, 22 times in one piece he cited “people
familiar with the investigation”.

HAYES: Excellent and important point.

BARRETT: Yes. Now, as an investigative reporter, if I can call somebody a
FBI source, I do it. If I can call somebody a law enforcement source, I do
it. Makes the story stronger. But when you`re citing people familiar with
the investigation –

HAYES: Good point.

BARRETT: – 22 times, we have no idea who is saying what to who. Could
be Rudy.

HAYES: Right.

BARRETT: Rudy is a person familiar with the investigation. Could be
Komstroff – Kallstrom, I`m sorry.


BARRETT: You know? or could be –


HAYES: It could be any number of people attenuated from the actual –
that`s a really good, important clarifying point.

I mean, your point in the piece is that you`ve got these – you got
Giuliani, you got Kallstrom. And we should note that it`s Kallstrom`s
foundation, the one that you just mentioned, is the one that got the $1
million donation from Donald Trump that he had pledged when he skipped that
debate, which he then never wrote a check for until “The Washington Post”
called him and asked him about the money. The next day he wrote them the
check. That`s to that foundation, which is what Jim Kallstrom runs.

BARRETT: Yes. And he`s known Trump for 40 years. He says that himself.
I described in detail from his own mouth the nature of the relationship
over many, many years. And he goes on the air and calls the Clintons a
crime family.

Now, the FBI has five units in the city of New York in that very office
that investigate real crime families. For him to use that kind of wording,
I mean, that is just – it`s calamitous for an FBI agent who has held the
titles – and he was assistant director –

HAYES: He was up there.

BARRETT: – of the FBI. Yes. To use that kind of language, it`s just
completely beyond the ken. And, you know, they`ve both have gone on the
air, Rudy a couple of times and Kallstrom endless times, citing FBI agents.
Kallstrom even cites FBI agents involved this investigation, which of
course would be a violation of guidelines at least and maybe a violation of
law for them to be talking to people who are openly partisan.


BARRETT: Kallstrom formally endorsed Trump on Fox News. Giuliani is his
No. 1 surrogate. I think he`s more involved in the campaign than Mike

HAYES: Yes. Well, Wayne Barrett, thank you so much for your time. I
really appreciate it, Wayne.

BARRETT: Thank you, Chris.

HAYES: Be good.

All right, still to come, a judge calls the process for challenging voters`
registrations in parts of North Carolina, quote, “insane”. More on that



HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: He retweets white supremacists
and spreads racially-tinged conspiracy theories. And you better believe
he`s being heard loudly and clearly.

Just a few days ago, and I want you to hear this because this has never
happened to a major – to a nominee of a major party. Just a few days ago,
Donald Trump was endorsed by the official newspaper of the Ku Klux Klan.
They wrote their endorsement under the slogan of his campaign, “Make
America Great Again.”


HAYES: Right now, Hillary Clinton holding a rally with Bernie Sanders in
North Carolina. Earlier today at another rally in the state, she brought
up the nod Donald Trump just got from “The Crusader”, the newspaper that
bills itself as, quote, “the premier voice of the white resistance.”

Last night in Louisiana, former KKK grand wizard and current Republican
Senate candidate, David Duke, participated with five other candidates in a
debate in an empty auditorium, having qualified by garnering at least 5
percent support in a poll.

Outside the debate which was held at Dillard University, a historically
black university, protests raged over the inclusion of Duke, who during a
debate saiid Hillary Clinton should get the electric chair, complained that
Jews dominate the media and international banking, and claimed, quote,
“we`re getting outnumbered and outvoted in our own nation.”


DUKE: The truth is that anybody who stands up in this country, tells the
truth what`s happening to our country – we`re losing our country. Anybody
who does that is going to be a target of the media, just like Donald Trump.


HAYES: After receiving Duke`s endorsement in the primaries, Trump
eventually disavowed him, though he initially refused to do so. Today,
Eric Trump went so far as to say Duke deserves a bullet. But Donald Trump
himself has been extremelyy slow to distance himself from white
nationalists. And it`s important to remember he chose Steve Bannon as his
campaign CEO, a man who described his website Breitbart as, quote, “the
platform for the alt-right”, which is what white nationalists try to call
themselves when they`re trying to be politically correct.

Campaigning for Clinton in Miami this morning, President Obama suggested
that Trump won`t change if he becomes president.


OBAMA: Who you are, what you are, does not change after you occupy the
Oval Office. All it does is magnify who you are. All it does is shine a
spotlight on who you are. If you disrespected women before you were in
office, you will disrespect women as president. If you accept the support
of Klan sympathizers before you are president, you will accept their
support after you are president.


HAYES: As November 8 approaches, the gloves are clearly off for President
Obama. Tomorrow, with four days until the election, we will air an
exclusive interview with the president when he sits down with Al Sharpton.
You will see it here first. Be sure to be here for that.

When we come back, a voter suppression tactic in North Carolina a federal
judge described as “straight out of 1901”. We`ll tell you what it was


HAYES: The presidential race is exceedingly tight in North Carolina where
early voting is now under way. Polls show Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton
separated by just a tenth of a percentage point. This week, the NAACP
filed a lawsuit alleging that three North Carolina counties had illegally
removed thousands of voters from the rolls in a process that
disproportionately targeted African-Americans.

Yesterday, a federal judge presiding over the suit said she was, and I`m
quoting, horrified by the removals, saying the process hearkens back to an
era of few safeguards. This sounds like something that was put together in
1901, said Judge Loretta Biggs, adding it looks like a cattle call the way
people are being purged.

The Justice Department`s now said it agrees with the NAACP allegations.
Today the DOJ announcing it was sending elections monitors to four counties
in North Carolina.

Earlier this year, of course, the 4th circuit court of appeals struck down
a 2013 voting law in North Carolina finding the law`s provisions targeted
African-Americans with almost surgical precision.

Joining me now, Morgan State University professor Jason Johnson, politics
editor at The Root. And Jason, you know, I recall back in 2000 there was a
voter purge of voters in Florida famously in which this same tactic was
used, a piece of mail sent. If it`s returned you any reason, then you can
go and contest the person. A lot of times it`s returned because someone
voting with their grandmother or something like that.

But this is a – the wording of the federal judge today was very strong.

JASON JOHNSON, MORGAN STATE UNIVERSITY: And it has to be, Chris, because
this is a step back back for all American citizens. I mean, the process by
which a letter being sent to your house can somehow eliminate your right to
vote, that`s kind of like if I knock on your door three times and you don`t
answer I can assume it`s abandoned and I can take your home. That`s not
how our laws are supposed to operate.

But I think what`s key here also is this. This is what happens because we
have lost the pre-clearance element of the Voting Rights Act. And until
congress does something about that, we are going to see these ind of
shenanigans throughout the south and throughout the United States as long
as elections go on.

HAYES: And you also – I think on top of that, you do have now two parties
in this era of sort of, you know, polarization. One party, the Democratic
Party, wants to maximize – make it as easy for as many people to vote as
possible, whether that`s out of principal or pragmatism, you can say, and
the Republicans feel the opposite. They want it as restricted as possible.

Here`s the Alabama secretary of state Jon Merrill explaining why he doesn`t
want automatic voter registration. Take a listen.


JON MERRILL, ALABAMA SECRETARY OF STATE: These people fault, some of them
were beaten, some of them were killed because of their desire to ensure
that everybody that wanted to had the right to register to vote and
participate in the process. I`m not going to cheapen the work that they
did. I`m not going to embarrass them by allowing somebody that`s too sorry
to get up off the rear end to go to register to vote.


HAYES: To be clear, he`s saying the heroes and murders of the civil rights
movement in the state of Alabama who guaranteed the franchise for that
state`s black citizens, in their name he won`t have automatic registration.

JOHNSON: Yeah. You know, the bizarre use of Martin Luther King`s name and
civil rights heroes by the Republican Party has always amazed me. I mean,
Martin Luther King seems to have justified everything that the GOP wants to

But here`s the larger issue here. This idea of preventing people from
voting, it is not just about targeting African-Americans and preventing
the poor and everything else like that, it prevents us
from having a funcatinoal and responsive government. When you make it
difficult for people to vote, they can`t vote on levies, they can`t control
their school system. They can`t get actively involved.

So, when Republican Party members, and occasionally Democrats – mostly
Republicans – make it difficult to vote, they make it difficult for them
to do their own jobs. And that`s what`s so disappointing about this.

HAYES: And let me be clear, I live in a state in New York that`s been
controlled by Democrats for a long time or has a lot of Democratic control,
where the Democratic Party doesn`t want a lot of people voting because they
want low turnout in elections so they have high leverage if they can turn
people out to the polls and then it`s for pragmatic reasons, for crassly
political ones, but it also wounds self governance.

Anyone that`s invested in that should think about getting into another line
of work, is my opinion. Jason Johnson, thanks as always, your time

JOHNSON: Thanks, Chris.

HAYES: Still to come, 108 years in the making, The Chicago Cubs make
world series history. It could not come at better time. Much more on
that ahead. But first, tonight`s Thing One, Thing two
starts after this break.


HAYES: Thing One tonight, Donald Trump is notorious for his Twitter
insults. The New York Times even compiled a running list of every person,
place and thing he`s insulted on the platform just since announcing his
candidacy for president in June of 2015.

Toward the end of October, the tally stood at 282. Governor Pataki
couldn`t be elected dog catcher if he ran again, so he didn`t. Governor
Perry failed on the border. He should be forced to take an IQ test before
being allowed to enter the GOP debate.

Don`t like Samuel L. Jackson`s golf swing. Not athletic. I`ve won many
club championships playing for charity.

The worst show in Las Vegas in my opinion is Penn Jillette. Hokey garbage.
New York show even worse.

To reiterate, that`s not 282 tweets, 282 different entities that Trump has
directed his insults at, at least.

On Twitter, Thing Two tonight, want to guess what kind of terrible and
unacceptable behavior Melania Trump just announced she`ll focus on if she
becomes first lady? The answer in just 60 seconds.


HAYES: It is rare to see anyone involved ion a presidential campaign as
genuinely surprised as Melania Trump was by her husband last week.


MELANIA TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP`S WIFE: I might join him. We will see.

DONALD TRUMP: She is actually going to make two or three speeches.


DONALD TRUMP: And I will tell you…

GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS, ABC NEWS: Made some news right there.

DONALD TRUMP: Oh, it is. It`s – she amazing when she speaks. She is an
amazing public speaker.


HAYES: Definitely seemed like that was the first time Melania Trump heard
about any of those speeches, but it`s kind of hard to back out when those
plans are announced on national TV. So today, she gave her first solo
campaign speech in Pennsylvania where she outlined one of the main focuses
of her work should she become the first lady.


MELANIA TRUMP: Our culture has gotten too mean and too rough, especially
to children and teenagers. We have to find a better way to talk to each
other, to disagree with each other, to respect each other. We must find
better ways to honor and support the basic goodness of our children,
especially in social media.


HAYES: That – this is not a bit. I mean, Melania Trump wants to focus on
cyber bullying even though her husband is known for weaponizing Twitter,
bashing at least 282 different people, places and things in just the last
18 months by that The New York Times tally.

Now, we know from Gabe Sherman`s reporting that Trump`s campaign manager
Kellyanne Conway uses Donald Trump`s avid cable news viewing to get through
to him, quote, as a way to communicate with him is to go on TV to
communicate. So, maybe Melania Trump was really trying to reach an
audience of one.

I wonder if he got the message.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here`s the 0-1. This is going to be a tough play.
Bryant, the Cubs win the World Series! Bryant makes the play! It`s over!
And the Cubs have finally won it all!


HAYES: And with that moment, the Chicago Cubs beat the Cleveland Indians
last night in one of the most dramatic games in any sport you will ever
see. More than 40 million people tuned in to watch these two teams end one
of the longest championship droughts in major league history. And after
four and a half hours and a 17-minute rain delay, the cubs celebrated their
first World Series win in 108 years.

That`s their first since the Model T Ford first went into production and
since the Ottoman Empire fell. This morning, the internet was flooded with
stories of Cubs fans celebrating, stories about the generations who have
come and gone during a century of heartbreak and disappointment. There are
the fans who took to the Sheffield Wall at Wrigley and wrote tributes to
their loved ones who were never able to see their Cubs win a World Series.
It was a rather extraordinary story of a man who drove from North Carolina
to Indiana to watch the game with his dad who died in 1980.


UNIDENITIFIED MALE: I told my dad – I mean, we kind of had a pact that
when the Cubs, not if, when the Cubs got into the World Series, we`d make
sure we listened to the games together.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He dropped the ball. He was called out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look, dad. Here`s your son. He`s keeping his part of
the bargain, setting up camp in the military section of Greenwood Forest
Lawn Cemetery.

We asked Wayne if he thinks big Wayne is up there following the game with

UNIDENITIFIED MALE: Knowing him, no. He was a hell raiser, baby. He was
a hell raiser.

UNIDENITIFIED MALE: Enjoying a little heaven tonight.


HAYES: And there was a grand dad who had waited 81 years for this moment
which was shared on Twitter.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Here`s the 0-1.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They did it! They did it! They did it! Oh god! Oh I
can`t believe it! I can`t believe it!


HAYES: The Cubs World Series win marked a culmination of talent, hard
work, foresight and a little bit of luck. It also signaled, if only
briefly, a respite from this stressful and deeply polarizing election or
the sweetest escape. Joining me now is Dave Zirin calls the sweetest

And joining me now is David Zirin, sports editor of The Nation, host of the
Edge of Sports podcast. I mean, I`m biased because I`m a huge Cubs fan, so
I was very invested in this World Series. But as the series went on, it
did feel like a nation that is – has had their eyes glued to one thing,
which is this campaign which is deeply divisive and polarizing and ugly and
sometimes just days of sexual assault details.


HAYES: That this was like exactly what everyone needed at this moment.

ZIRIN: You know, Chris, this was a nightly catharsis. It was a nightly
vacation. It was a nightly spa treatment from what`s been one of the most
depressing stretches in my political life, certainly. And as we say, it`s
been such a stressful election period, we know what we`re talking about.
We`re talking about the extreme toxicity that`s been injected by Donald
Trump into the national life. And to have this as a break from that has
been beautiful.

And I want to talk about a little bit about why it`s so beautiful.

You spoke a little bit about the 108 years since the Cubs last won a title.
And, you know, there have been a lot of good jokes about that like the last
time the Cubs won a title, the People Magazine`s sexiest man was Adam and
these are funny jokes.

But if you go back 108 years and really think about what the world was
then, just the sports world, the NBA Champion 108 years ago was nobody,
because there was no NBA. The NFL champion, there was no NFL, so nothing
there. The NCAA football champion was Penn, not Penn State, Penn.

You know, it was such a different world from a sports perspective, yet
baseball has this capacity. And I`m paraphrasing James Earl Jones`s speech
from Field of Dream, but it`s this capacity to link us to the past, but
also make us feel optimistic about the future. And there are so few things
in our national life that have the capacity to do that.

HAYES: I totally agree with that. It`s like – there`s something about
baseball because it`s been around so long, this sense of continuity, the
sense of history. You`re sharing something that people have been sharing
for a century and has changed with the country so when Dexter Fowler led
off that first game of the World Series and took the first pitch, he was
the first black Cubs player to appear in a World Series because back in
1945 when the Cubs were last in the World Series, there were no black Cubs

I mean and so you have this transformation of this game, but this sort of
continuity, too. And also I just – last night, I mean, people complained
so much about the pacing of the series, which I get. These games are way
too long. Back when the game was invented they go about two hours. Last
night was four-and-a-half hours thanks to a rain delay.

But also just the suspense. You know, the catharsis you`re talking about
it built up what that catharsis was, because the game moves so slowly these

ZIRIN: Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. But that`s part of what made it so
beautiful because the entire nation pretty much watched this game. The
ratings last night were off the chain. These were 1986, you only have
three channels and a computer is the size of a refrigerator ratings.

HAYES: Right.

ZIRIN: That`s how many people were tuning in.

And when you have baseball as a shared national experience, I would argue
it`s very different
than anybody say watching the Super Bowl and getting loaded and having
parties and it`s sort of almost like this bacchanalia, this celebration of
excess. While last night was a celebration of suspense. It was a
celebration of catharsis, of release. Certainly not for Cleveland fans,
but I got to tell you, like, I`m
not even a Cubs fan, but by the end of this series, every pitch, every foul
ball, I mean, it was killing me. It was killing me.

I can`t imagine what it was like for you.

HAYES: I will tell you this, I am a Cubs fan and it was – there was a
moment last night when I turned to my wife, I said, I am going to have a
heart attack and then i was like I, no, no, I don`t mean hyperbolically, I
don`t mean I am going to have a heart attack as a figure of speech, I mean,
literally I am going to go into cardiac arrest, physically.

And the other thing I`ll say is – you`re saying, you were not – this
series I became a Cleveland Indians fan in a certain way. I was in awe of
the unbelievable resilience of this team that lost two of their starters,
starting pitchers, who just every time came back and back and back and even
last night they`re just an incredible team.

ZIRIN: I would make the case that the Cubs are better than the Indians on
paper at almost every single position.


And how tight they…

ZIRIN: And it`s remarkable.

HAYES: Dave Zirin, all right, thank you for joining us, man. Appreciate

ZIRIN: Thank you.

HAYES: Coming up, I had a moment last night where I almost turned off the
game but, but I learned an important lesson. What I realized, that`s next.


HAYES: I will admit there was a moment last night when I lost hope, when
my mood got so dark it almost blacked out my vision, after Rajai Davis hit
a probable two-out homerun while choked up on the bat, against the hardest
thrower in baseball, to bring the Indians back in the bottom of the eighth
with two outs and tie the game. I thought, well, this is it. We`re going
to lose.

We were in a Cubs bar in Brooklyn along with my wife, dad, brother and
aunt, and hundred others packed in like a rush hour subway car. It was so
hot inside that bar, the sound system shorted out and one of the TV`s kept
overheating and turning off.

When the rain delay started at the end of the ninth inning, I told my wife
we should go home so I can process the inevitable loss away from the crowd.
We called an Uber, which took forever to come. And I told my dad I was

OK, he said, you sure you want to do that?

I don`t think I can take the loss here, I said.

Come on, Christopher, he said. Myth of Sisyphus. IT`s the struggle that

The myth of Sisyphus by Albert Camus is my dad`s favorite essay. And it`s
about, well, how you find meaning in a meaningless world. Camus considers
the inner life of the Greek mythic figure Sisyphus, condemned for eternity
to roll a rock up a hill only to have it roll back down and have to start

And how, Camus asked, can we find joy or meaning in a world that`s so
reliably deals us disappointment, cruelty and heartbreak?

The key, he writes, is to focus on the struggle itself. The effort of the
push, not the final accomplishment.

It`s a pretty great guide for a life of work in social justice like my dad,
or education like my mom, or organizing like my brother, or politics, or
broadcasting for that matter, where you can`t control what your ratings are
on any given day, or baseball where Cubs coach Joe Maddon has emphasized
all year the game is fluky and it`s best to focus on process and not on
outcomes, because sometimes you play well and you catch a bad break and

As Kate and I waited for the Uber to come, the grounds crew rolled out the
tarp in Cleveland. The Cubs were, unbeknownst to me huddling in a room
under the stadium, and there Jason Hayward, an incredible right fielder,
who has had a terrible, one might even say Sisyphian year, rallied the

Let`s not get down. It`s a new ball game. Lets go out there and win this.

Sure, the rock had rolled back down the hill, and Kyle Schwarber lead out
the tenth inning with a single. I said to Kate, let`s cancel the Uber and
stick around.

We went back inside and watched the most glorious inning of Cubs baseball
in history.

But here`s the thing, as joyous as that moment of victory was, as amazing
as I felt this morning, I kept thinking what my dad said, the fact is even
if they had loss that game, as heartbroken as I would have been, it still
all would have been worth it, honestly.

The last lines of that Camus essay are, “the struggle itself toward the
heights is enough to fill a man`s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.”
Or, translated into Cubs lingo, wait until next year.

And it turns out as surreal and ecstatic as it is to celebrate a Cubs team
that doesn`t have to say that for the first time in 108 years, wait until
next year, keep pushing that rock no matter what, is a pretty damn great
way to go through life. Thanks to the Cubs for teaching me that.

That is ALL IN for this evening. “THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW” starts right
now. Good evening, Rachel.


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