All In With Chris Hayes, Transcript, 7/5/2016

Guests:
Sam Stein, Matthew Miller, Glenn Greenwald, Anita Dunn, Rick Wilson
Transcript:

Show: ALL IN with CHRIS HAYES
Date: July 5, 2016
Guest: Sam Stein, Matthew Miller, Glenn Greenwald, Anita Dunn, Rick
Wilson

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST (voice-over): Tonight on ALL IN –

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: There has never been any man
or woman more qualified for this office than Hillary Clinton.

HAYES: The 2016 odyssey continues.

OBAMA: Everybody can tweet, but nobody actually knows what it takes to do
the job until you`ve sat behind the desk.

HAYES: A team of rivals reunites.

HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: He knows a thing or
two about winning elections, take it from me.

HAYES: Hours after the FBI recommends no charges for Hillary Clinton.

JAMES COMEY, FBI DIRECTOR: We are expressing to justice our view that no
charges are appropriate in this case.

HAYES: Tonight, full analysis of today`s epic announcement from James
Comey and what the president`s fired-up campaign speech means for Hillary.

And the Republican response.

DONALD TRUMP (R), PRESUMPTIVE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE: We have a rigged
system, folks.

HAYES: Donald Trump`s reaction to Clinton`s big day, and how the Trump
campaign continues to reel in the wake of that star of David tweet.

REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Look, anti-Semitic images,
they`ve got no place in a presidential campaign.

HAYES: When ALL IN starts right now.

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HAYES: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris Hayes.

Well, today was quite possibly the craziest day yet of the 2016 race, and
given all we`ve been through, over the last 13 months, all the
unprecedented twists and turns of this campaign, that`s certainly saying
something.

We`re looking at live pictures of Donald Trump campaigning in North
Carolina, where Hillary Clinton also visited earlier today. Trump is
trying to turn the page on his latest controversy, a meme sent out from his
personal Twitter account, depicting Clinton over a file of $100 bills with
a six-pointed Star of David, accusing her of corruption. Trump campaign
insists the image was not anti-Semitic, calling the shape, quote, “a basic
star often used by sheriffs.” But the original meme did get deleted and
replaced with a new version not containing any religious symbols or evoking
repugnant stereotypes.

More on the fault of that tweet, and the origin later in the show. But
tonight, another milestone with the Trump campaign, an appearance by
Tennessee Senator Bob Corker, chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee,
perhaps the most senior member of the Republican establishment to share a
stage with Donald Trump. Trump is reportedly considering Corker for VP. A
decision he`s expected to announce next week.

News also broke today the Trump campaign will campaign with Newt Gingrich,
who NBC News has confirmed, is being actively vetted to join the GOP
ticket. They`ll be together tomorrow.

All that comes on the same day as perhaps the most anticipated political
event since the early Republican debates, and that`s President Obama`s
first campaign appearance alongside his would-be successor Hillary Clinton.
Addressing an enthusiastic crowd in Charlotte, the president was a
compelling character witness, recounting his 2008 primary against Hillary
Clinton.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: I always had to be on my game because she knew every fact and she
knew every detail. And then during those 18 months, I saw the passion that
she feels for anybody who`s experienced injustice, anybody who`s faced
discrimination.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HAYES: Coming up in just a bit, I`ll talk with President Obama`s former
communications director about his new role on the campaign trail.

So, all that was already on today`s schedule. We knew going in, it`s going
to be a very eventual day.

But then this morning, in Washington, D.C., less than a mile from where
Hillary Clinton was giving an education speech, FBI Director James Comey
walked out to a podium in front of the cameras and commanded the nation`s
attention.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

COMEY: I have not coordinated this statement or reviewed it in any way
with the department of justice or any other part of the government. They
do not know what I`m about to say.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HAYES: After that captivating start, Comey proceed to lay out the findings
of the FBI`s investigation into Clinton`s handling of classified
information while she was secretary of state, delivering a scorching
assessment of her privacy e-mail system.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

COMEY: From the group of 30,000 e-mails returned to the State Department
in 2014, 110 e-mails, in 52 e-mail chains, have been determined by the
owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent
or received. Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary
Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling
of classified information, there is evidence they were extremely careless
in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. We
assess, it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary
Clinton`s personal e-mail account.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HAYES: Now, keep in mind, while you`re watching that live, you don`t know
where it`s ending up. But after that litany of errors, Comey announced the
FBI`s final recommendation to the Department of Justice.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

COMEY: We cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges
on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of
clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information or
vast quantities of information, exposed in such a way as to support an
inference of intentional misconduct, or indications of disloyalty to the
United States or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things
here. We are expressing to justice our view that no charges are
appropriate in this case.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HAYES: Donald Trump released a statement, he is addressing now his
response to what Comey announced in his decision today. Let`s take a
listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TRUMP: So the A.G. met with the president, he had to, before the
announcement. I mean, how about that? Met with President Bill Clinton.
How about that deal, right? He`s waiting around! He`s waiting at the
airport. Oh, look, the A.G.`s come. Let me go say hello.

Thirty-nine minutes, I`m going to talk about the grandkids. He`s got two,
I heard they`re beautiful. I heard they`re beautiful.

Now, I have eight grandchildren and I will tell you, I can talk about them,
and after I say, isn`t she beautiful, isn`t she beautiful? Oh, I love the
kids. I love the kids. I love it.

But after about a minute, I can`t go much longer. I want to get to
business, right? For you, I want to get to business. But he didn`t talk
about it. He talked about golf. He talked about the grandkids. And I
would say that would take anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute. Seriously.

Am I right? You know, how long can you talk?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HAYES: Donald Trump talking about President Bill Clinton`s meeting on the
tarmac with Loretta Lynch, which invited quite a bit of scrutiny and many
think accelerated the decision announcement at least from James Comey
today.

Now, Comey himself, who is ultimately the person who says he made the
decision, we have no reason to doubt him, would be a hard person to accuse
of excessive partnership on behalf of Democrats. He donated to John McCain
and Mitt Romney`s presidential campaigns. He`s originally appointed to the
Justice Department by George W. Bush, and his reputation for independence
dates back to 2004 when under enormous political pressure, he famously
refused to sign off on the Bush administration`s warrantless wiretapping
program.

All that has not stopped fellow Republicans from questioning his judgment.
House Speaker Paul Ryan said in a statement, “While I respect the law
enforcement professionals at the FBI, this announcement defies explanation.
The findings of this investigation make clear that Secretary Clinton misled
the American people when she was confronted with her criminal actions.”

RNC communications director Sean Spicer called the decision not to charge
Clinton, quote, “completely ridiculous.”

Joining me now, Sam Stein, senior politics editor of “The Huffington Post”.

And, Sam, I don`t know if you`re watching that the way I was this morning,
but all I could think about, is this on in Brooklyn campaign headquarters
and are they white knuckling their way through this entire thing?

SAM STEIN, THE HUFFINGTON POST: Hearts racing, get on with it, James
Comey. Yes, it was very suspenseful. And the fact that he gave a press
conference was very surprising to a lot of people, myself included. He
easily could have put in a written statement, detailing his findings,
outlining his conclusion, saying that he wasn`t going through anything to
the attorney general.

But he chose to go in front of cameras and you have to wonder if that was a
deliberate decision on his part, designed essentially to placate both sides
of this, to show Republicans that he had gone through these details
exhaustively, that he turned up a lot of poor decisions on Clinton`s
behalf, potentially illegal decisions, but come to a determination. So, I
do think he was trying to split the difference here and that probably fed
his decision to go on camera.

HAYES: You know, after all this happened, I saw Clinton folks tweeting
about it, highlighting the fact that there was no indictment. And –
clearly, that`s I mean, you know, when you stop for a second to consider
the possibility of an alternative, which I don`t think people in the
Clinton campaign expected because of their reading of the law and precedent
as well in terms of how these have gone down before, but it`s a little like
a meteor came pretty close to earth from the perspective of the Democratic
Party.

STEIN: Correct. This was a victory for Clinton in the most narrow,
political sense of the word, as in, she won`t be indicted. But the
indictment he gave on her character certainly hurts. Now, a lot of people,
their opinions of the situation are already baked in. I don`t know if it`s
going to move a lot of people.

But certainly, the abuses, misconduct, et cetera, that he laid out, is bad.
Yes, you`re right. Had he gone with an indictment, it would have not just
changed the course of the Democratic primary, it would have changed the
course of history.

And though you can argue that he probably was reading the law, and made a
determination on that point, it`s hard to say that he looked at this and
didn`t let politics get into the equation. Certainly, there are people who
have committed similar crimes as Clinton did here – I don`t want to call
it crimes – similar offenses. And have gotten in trouble for it. So you
can make the determination that, yes, politics played a role here.

HAYES: Yes, I think politics is such a broad concept here. I mean, this
context is so distinct and unique. It`s very hard to apply in terms of
what went down, in terms of like the sitting nominee of one of the major
parties in the midst of an election, in the fact, the former first lady and
secretary of state. It`s just making an apples to apples comparison in the
case of this seems essentially impossible.

STEIN: True. And a lot of people have come out, including Trump, who
said, you know, David Petraeus got charged for much worse. And the truth
is, that`s not the case. David Petraeus, there was a level of intent there
when he leaked information as classified to his mistress.

So, there are no direct apples to apples here, but it is – you`re right, a
very unique case with her being a very unique individual who is running for
president. This definitely had to have factored into the decision.

HAYES: All right. Sam Stein, thank you.

STEIN: Thank you.

HAYES: I`m joined now by Matthew Miller, former director of the Office of
Public Affairs, at the Department of Justice, serving a spokesman to
Attorney General Eric Holder, and Glenn Greenwald, cofounding and
investigative journalist at the “Intercept.”

And, Matthew, let me begin with you, you were tweeting about your umbrage
at the decision by James Comey to give this fairly extraordinary and I
think quite abnormal, long monologue in announcing the charges. What did
you find objectionable about that?

MATTHEW MILLER. FORMER DOJ DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS: Yes, extraordinary,
abnormal, totally unprecedented and appalling in a lot of ways. The
Department of Justice and the FBI`s job is to investigate these cases. If
they find a violation of law that they can prove in court, they bring an
indictment and they make their case in court. And sometimes, they`ll talk
about that case publicly when they`ve brought an indictment.

But their job when they don`t bring charges, and this is true for every
individual they investigate and some reason in Director Comey`s mind wasn`t
true for Secretary Clinton. When they decline to bring charges, they can
announce they`re not bringing charges, but what shouldn`t happen is for the
director of the FBI to stand up at a press conference and make a bunch of
reckless charges like he did against Hillary Clinton today.

There were a number of things he said, for example, his speculation that
her e-mail could have been hacked, even when he admitted that there was no
evidence that was the case. It puts her in the position of having to prove
a negative. It just really was inappropriate in a lot of ways, I think
arguably a violation of DOJ`s own rules for how to interact with the media.

HAYES: Glenn, this gets to something that is the heart of the way people
perceive and understand what happened here, both in this specific case and
the Clintons, quote-unquote, which is, there`s this agreement they`re
getting special treatment, but some people feel they`re getting it in the
negative, which is to say, Comey wouldn`t do this for anyone else, it`s
only because of Hillary Clinton, it`s only because of her status that she
gets sort of gone after this way.

And other folks who feel like she`s getting special treatment because she`s
a Clinton and they`re giving her a free pass. What`s your sort of reaction
to this?

GLENN GREENWALD, CO-FOUNDING EDITOR, THE INTERCEPT: I understand the
criticism of what Comey did, although I think it`s a little bit academic,
sort of overly theoretical. The reality is, is that had there been an
announcement that she wasn`t being charged under these circumstances, given
who she is, in the election, without any information being given to the
public about why that decision was made, I think you could argue that the
credibility of the FBI and the Justice Department and the entire political
system was really at stake, justifying a departure from normal practice.

HAYES: Right.

GREENWALD: Though, again, I do think there are serious concerns with
having an FBI director stand up and make these kinds of claims.

What I do want to say is that the context here is that the Obama
administration has been incredibly aggressive, even vindictive about
punishing people for violating secrecy laws, not just in the case where
there`s huge transfers of documents in case of Chelsea Manning or Edward
Snowden. But you can cases where people are prosecuted criminally for the
allegation that they mishandled classified information with no intent to
give it to anybody. They were just sloppy in ways much less extreme than
Hillary Clinton was.

I mean, setting up a server at your house and then working on top secret
information is a kind of thing that would get other people prosecuted.

And the one thing I want to say is, what Comey did say that isn`t
speculation is the two critical claims that Hillary Clinton has been
making. I didn`t use the home server for top secret or classified
information and I turned over all my work-related e-mails to the FBI. The
FBI proved, if you believe Comey, that those two critical claims that she`s
been making to the public are false, which should raise real questions
about her motive.

HAYES: So, Matthew, respond to that, because I`ve seen – I think – the
way this is broken down is, the biggest argument I`d seen, and to me, in
some ways, the one with the most teeth is to compare what happened here and
other circumstances, and to say, wait a second, is this fair? There`s a
navy reservists, for instance, who pled – I think he pled down to a
misdemeanor, who moved stuff to his personal hard drive. There`s a few
other examples.

I mean, what is your response to people saying, essentially, this was
unfair treatment?

MILLER: So, I think there`s a difference between that case in particular
and between the other cases that the department has brought, in this
administration. I know in that case in particular, they were able to show
that that individual knew that he was transferring classified information
and after he was confronted, he tried to cover his tracks. It`s a very
different to what Hillary Clinton has said, that she did not know the
information she was sending or receiving was classified. It`s a very
different situation.

And just to one point that Glenn made, you know, I think he`s right, it is
unusual for the FBI director to come out and make this point publicly, but
there`s a lot of public interest here. That`s true about any number of
cases where they decline to bring charges. They decline to bring charges
against police officers who have harmed black motorists. It`s true in all
kind of financial industry cases. There`s often public interest.

But the department has rules they follow and they`re supposed to follow
those rules for everyone and not treat anyone with special treatment, but
not treat them any worse either.

HAYES: Glenn, let me ask you about this, this inequality of justice. It
struck me, if you go through Comey`s statement and other stuff, is that
it`s clear there`s a ton of people inside the State who are on these e-mail
chains who are also essentially guilty of the same sloppiness, right? So
to the extent it`s in chains, it`s harming the secretary, but also other
folks presumably who are either foreign service or front line state workers
who aren`t being investigated or charged in this case.

It did make me wonder if you ran this kind of audit, right, on any given
cabinet secretary what exactly you would turn up in terms of the handling
of this material.

GREENWALD: Right, that`s true, in terms of the use of a personal e-mail
account, but it`s not true for somebody literally installing a separate
server that`s unprotected by encryption and any other real, professional
security in their home. And the key here, Chris, is the concern from the
beginning was, you have this server in your home because that way you get
to avoid FOIA requests and other laws that govern what the government t can
do. And her answer was, no, don`t worry, I`ve turned all work-related
emails over to the State Department. Comey said, that`s not true, your
lawyers destroyed them, in many cases in a way that they couldn`t be
recreated. That`s not true for anybody else at State.

HAYES: All right. Glenn Greenwald and Matthew Miller, thank you for your
time tonight. I appreciate it.

Still ahead, the full story behind the controversial Star of David tweet
from Donald Trump`s account that involves sheriff`s badges, Microsoft
shapes and a white supremacist. That winding tail ahead.

But first, President Obama gives a fiery campaign speech on his first
appearance on the trail with Hillary Clinton. We`ll play some of the
highlights right after this two-minute break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

HAYES: Today, the president of the United States, Barack Obama, and the
presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton, the person
who wants to succeed him, the person who fought with him bitterly eight
years ago, made their first joint campaign appearance of the 2016 election.
Secretary Clinton seemed to be more than happy to use her speech primarily
as a warm-up act for the sitting president. Clinton also stressed a couple
simple things – leadership and breaking down barriers.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CLINTON: I saw him go toe to toe with the toughest foreign leaders and to
give the order to go after Osama bin Laden.

(APPLAUSE)

This, my friends, is a president who knows how to keep us safe and strong.

Compare that to Donald Trump.

(BOOS)

Can you imagine him sitting in the Oval Office the next time America faces
a crisis? Just think about those early patriots who met in Philadelphia
that hot summer of 1776. They knew we would all rise or fall together.

Now, nobody who looked like Barack Obama or me would have been included
back then, but we`re here today because the story of America is the story
of hard-fought, hard-won progress!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HAYES: Then, it was the president`s turn who delivered the kind of stump
speech, coming from a sitting president on behalf of his predecessor is
nearly unmatched in modern political history.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: I came away from that primary admiring her even more, because
during that year and a half, I had a chance to see up close just how smart
she was, and just how prepared she was, especially since I had to debate
her a couple dozen times.

And let`s be clear, she beat me like – now you don`t have to rub it in.
You don`t have to rub it in now. She beat me, you know, at least the first
half and then I just barely could play her to a drum. I always had to be
on my game because she knew every fact, and she knew every detail.

And then during the primaries again and again, I saw how, even when things
didn`t go her way, she`d just stand up straighter and come back stronger.
She didn`t give up.

Let me tell you, North Carolina, my faith in Hillary Clinton has always
been rewarded. I have had a front-row seat to her judgment, her toughness
and her commitment to diplomacy. I`ve witnessed it in the Situation Room,
where she argued in favor of the mission to get bin Laden.

But, you know, it wasn`t just what happened in the limelight that made me
grow more and more to admire and respect Hillary. It was how she acted
when the cameras weren`t on. It was knowing how she did her homework.

I`m here to tell you that the truth is, nobody fully understands the
challenges of the job of president until you`ve actually sat at that desk.
Everybody`s got an opinion. But nobody actually knows the job until you`re
sitting behind the desk.

(APPLAUSE)

Everybody can tweet. But nobody actually knows what it takes to do the job
until you`ve sat behind the desk.

(APPLAUSE)

I mean, Sasha tweets, but she doesn`t think that she thereby should be
sitting behind the desk. And there has never been any man or woman more
qualified for this office than Hillary Clinton. Ever.

So, the bottom line is, I know Hillary can do the job. And that`s why I am
so proud, North Carolina, to endorse Hillary Clinton as the next president
of the United States!

(APPLAUSE)

If what you care is who is going to be fighting for ordinary folks who are
fighting for a better life for themselves and their children, then I don`t
know how you vote for the guy who`s against a minimum wage, against unions,
against making sure that everybody gets a fair shot, against legislation
for equal pay, against sick leave and family leave, against all the things
that working families care about. I mean, even the – even the Republicans
on the other side don`t really know what the guy`s talking about.

They really don`t. They really don`t. You ask them, they`re all, like, I
don`t know. Then they kind of duck the other way. Am I joking? No.

Now let me just say, I know everybody guy talks about making America great
again. America`s really great.

(APPLAUSE)

And just the other day, somebody was writing about, wow, when you look at
the surveys in the world, turns out that when Obama came into office, the
world didn`t think we were that great, but now they think we`re the
greatest.

(APPLAUSE)

They think we`re the strongest, they think we`re the best positioned. We
were in a hole before I came into office, but right now the world – the
rest of the world thinks we`re pretty darn great.

By the way, you can look that up. That`s a fact. That`s not like just
something I just made up and tweeted. Hillary understood and continues to
understand that just a bunch of tough talk doesn`t replace the hard work of
diplomacy.

A bunch of phony bluster doesn`t keep us safe. You can`t be reckless. You
don`t have the luxury of just saying what pops into your head you`ve
actually got to know what you`re talking about. You`ve got to actually do
your homework.

I couldn`t be prouder of the things we`ve done together, but I`m ready to
pass the baton. And I know that Hillary Clinton is going to take it, and I
know she can run that race, the race to create good jobs and better schools
and safer streets and a safer world, and that`s why I`m fired up! And
that`s why I`m ready to go! That`s why I`m with her! That`s why I need
you to work just as hard to make sure that Hillary Rodham Clinton is the
next president of the United States of America.

God bless you, North Carolina! God bless you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HAYES: When we come back, former White House communications director on
what today`s rally signals about the campaign to come.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: You are going to have a very clear choice to make between two
fundamentally different visions of where America should go. And this isn`t
even really a choice between left and right or Democrat or Republican.
This is a choice between whether we are going to cling to some imaginary
past, or whether we`re going to reach for the future.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HAYES: Joining me now, former senior adviser to Barack Obama`s 2008
presidential campaign, former White House communications director for
President Obama, Anita Dunn.

Anita, it struck me watching that, the president is, I think, been really
looking forward to doing this. It`s sort of remarkable to see him out in
this mode, as the sitting president, campaigning for someone else.

ANITA DUNN, FORMER WHITE HOUSE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR: Well, Chris,
thanks for having me on. I couldn`t agree with you more. You saw, he was
fired up, he was ready to go, he was with her, and he`s going to be with
her throughout this campaign.

You know, when you run against somebody, you get to know them in a very
special way. I think when President Obama talked today about her
perseverance, about her getting knocked down and getting back up, about her
beating him in debates in 2008, all of those things were real. This isn`t
an endorsement he`s mailing in. He means it when he says he thinks she`s
the best candidate, that she is the most qualified to be president. And
he`s going to do everything he can to make sure that happens.

HAYES: I was – I was surprised that he went back with such intensity to
that period when they ran against each other, because I think in a lot of
circles, folks sort of being of that as taboo, like, it will work out in
the end. But he actually went back to talk about what it was like in that
time. I thought that was really an interesting choice in terms of him
vouching for her.


DUNN: Well, that`s really where he, i think, grew to respect her and to
feel that she should be an indispensable part of his cabinet and that she
really was the kind of leader that he could full-throatedly endorse and
campaign for.

You know, she was a tough opponent. And President Obama respects
competition, he respects tough competitors, and she was very tough.

And as we went through that campaign in 2008, I think he felt like, she`s
smart. She really cares about people, she`d make a great president some
day, just not now when I`m running.

And so, you know, what you see now is you really see someone who is going
to be out there campaigning for her and means it when he says she should be
president.

HAYES: You know, you`ve got – the nearest analogues we have to this race,
of course, are in 2000 when you had sitting president Clinton, whose
approval rating was quite high, economy was doing pretty well. And you had
Vice President Al Gore, Clinton didn`t campaign much for Gore. In fact,
that was something that people talked about a lot, about whether that was a
wrong strategic choice made by the Gore folks.

And then you have the `88 where Reagan and George H.W. Bush, and they
weren`t particularly close, those two men. Reagan wasn`t really hitting
the stump.

I mean, we haven`t seen anything like this, what we saw today repeated over
and over, in our political lifetimes, if I`m not mistaken.

DUNN: Well, I agree with that, Chris. As a matter of fact, we`ve seen
some cases where, particularly 1960 when Dwight Eisenhower spent, you know
– rather famously said it would take him days to come up with Richard
Nixon`s biggest accomplishment as his vice president.

You`ve seen some really bad chemistry out there between people in the same
party running at the same time.

This is real. And this is going to be very important.

Part of what you saw today was President Obama saying to his supporters,
you know, I`m with her. I made this decision. I`m vouching for her. And
giving people permission to go full-heartedly behind her.

Not that I think people really need a lot of urging at this point. I think
the choice, as he said, is so clear. And he is a perfect example of
someone who is not just against Trump, but is for Hillary Clinton.

HAYES: That was to me the most striking thing, and the thing that he can
bring to that message, particularly for solidifying the majority that he`s
gotten now twice for victory.

Anita Dunn, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

DUNN: Thank you, Chris.

HAYES: Still to come, the NASA control room celebrates a five year-long
mission to Jupiter that was nearly perfect, nearly – nearly. I`ll explain
ahead.

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HAYES: You know, it`s very easy in our polarized times when the country
feels more divided than ever, and you just sort of ID people immediately.
They say, oh, you`re clearly in this camp and you`re in that camp, and
you`re in my tribe, and you`re not in my tribe. And it might seem easy to
stereotype a guy like John Cena. Here`s this wildly successful WWE super
star whose job week in and week out is basically a litmus test for
performing machismo.

But his interests, talents, and beliefs surpass any stereotype. For
example, here he is at a press conference last month for promoting the
WWE`s business ties in China.

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JOHN CENA, WRESTLER: (SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE) WWE and PPTV are now
corporate partners.

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HAYES: That part I got.

He`s also showing off his inner thespian, acting opposite Amy Schumer last
year in her comedy Trainwreck in perhaps the funniest scene in the movie.

But it wasn`t until yesterday while watching a PSA by the Ad Council
featuring John Cena that I got a better understanding of who he really is.

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CENA: Almost half the country belongs to minority groups. People are
lesbian, African American, and bi, and transgender and Native American and
proud of it. We know that labels don`t
devalue us, they help define us, keeping us dialed into our cultures and
our beliefs in who we are as
Americans.

This year, patriotism shouldn`t just be about pride of country, it should
be about love, love beyond age, disability, sexuality, race, religion, and
any other labels. Because the second any of us
judge people based on those labels, we`re not really being patriotic, are
we?

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HAYES: Thing one tonight. “We just did the hardest thing NASA has ever
done,” that`s the quote from one NASA scientist about the mission to
Jupiter, a mission that took the Juno spacecraft five years and 1.7 billion
miles to travel the solar system`s largest planet.

Here`s what Juno saw on its journey. These are images of Jupiter and some
of its moons before Juno had to shut off its cameras on final approach.

Last night, scientists at NASA`s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena,
California, waited in anticipation for the spacecraft to complete its half
decade flight and begin circling Jupiter`s orbit. In order to do that,
Juno, which at one point was traveling at more than 165,000 miles an hour,
had to slam on its brakes by burning its engine for 35 minutes. At 11:53
p.m. Eastern Time came a signal of success from the spacecraft and cheers
of relief here on Earth.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (inaudible) We have the tone for burn cutoff on delta
B. (inaudible) Juno, welcome to Jupiter.

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HAYES: But perhaps there was one person in that room not celebrating, and
that`s due to a dramatic error in the timing of Juno`s arrival at Jupiter`s
orbit. Just how wrong the calculations were is thing two in 60 seconds.

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JOHN BOLTON, JUNO PRINCIPAL: NASA did it again. That says it all to me.
And I am so happy to be part of the team that did that.

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HAYES: It`s been quite a ride for NASA`s spacecraft Juno. 1.7 billion
miles, traveling at speeds topping 165,000 miles per hour. Now, that Juno
is successfully entered Jupiter`s orbit, kudos are being sent around like
this tweet from President Obama: “incredible. After a five-year journey,
we`re up close and personal with our solar system`s largest planet.
Welcome to Jupiter NASA Juno.”

For those interested in the timing of Juno`s mission, The New Yorker points
out, NASA has a habit of scheduling high stakes maneuvers to coincide with
patriotic holidays. There was the Mars Pathfinder rover which landed on
July 4th, 1997, over a decade later the Deep Impact Probe successfully
collided with a comet. Then there was last night`s endeavor, a difficult
one that was executed almost flawlessly, almost. The probe had to survive
a lot to successfully enter Jupiter`s orbit, had to travel through intense
belts of violent radiation, damaging debris, while moving faster than any
other human-made object has gone ever before, before slamming on the brakes
just enough to let Jupiter`s enormous gravity capture the probe in an orbit
around it.

After all that, Juno began circling Jupiter one second – one second off
its scheduled arrival. Try not to beat yourself up too much for that,
NASA.

Juno will be studying Jupiter for the next 18 months or so. More cool
pictures to come.

Up next, why a controversial tweet from Donald Trump is getting high praise
from white supremacist and former KKK leader David Duke. That story after
this break.

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HAYES: On Saturday, a tweet featuring this image was blasted out to Donald
Trump`s 9.5 million Twitter followers. And if you`re anything like me,
your immediate reaction was, wow, that star sure looks like the Star of
David, which Nazis sewed to clothing during the Holocaust to identify Jews
combined with the hundred dollar bills and the accusation of corruption,
the image sort of immediately
combined many of the longstanding trops of anti-Semitism.

After the tweet was published, people almost immediately began pointing out
that rather obvious reality – “a Star of David, a pile of cash,
suggestions of corruption,” tweeted conservative writer Eric Erickson,
“Donald Trump again plays to the white supremacists.”

The Trump campaign then tweeted a new version of the image with the Star of
David replaced by a circle, though if you look closely you can still see
the points of the star poking out.

Then deleted the previous version of the tweet.

And despite deleting the original image, Trump and his allies weren`t
admitting wrongdoing. Speaking Sunday on CNN, former Trump campaign
manager Cory Lewandowski said the star was not a Star of David, but a
simple sheriff`s star.

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COREY LEWANDOWKI, FMR. TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER: The bottom line, this is
political correctness run amok. If this would have been a star next to
Hillary Clinton and didn`t have
the cash behind it, no one would be questioning this. This is the
mainstream media trying to read into something.

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HAYES: Trump himself called the anti-Semitism charges ridiculous. In a
statement, he echoed Lwandowski`s claim tweeting, “dishonest media is
trying their absolute best to depict a star in a tweet as a Star of David
rather than a sheriff`s star, or plain star!”

That`s a sheriff`s star on the left. Note the balls on the end of each.
On the right is the Star of David badge used in the Holocaust, which like
the six-pointed star Trump tweeted, has sharp points.

All right, the use of the Star of David does not appear to have been a
coincidence. The website Mic.com traced the meme to an internet message
board for the Alt-Right, a digital movement of Neo Nazis, anti-Semites and
white supremacists. It was then traced to a Twitter user who, before
deleting his or her account, tweeted images like this one with images of
Hillary Clinton`s face in the shape of a
swastika.

In a statement, Trump director of social media Dan Schavino (ph) said the
original message, quote, “was lifted from an anti-Hillary Twitter user
where countless images appear.”

Well, sure. Which makes for an odd excuse, since many of those images are
racist and anti-Semitic.

He then noted the star image which he calls a badge as, quote, available
under Microsoft`s shapes. And later tweeted that he proudly celebrates
holidays with my wife`s amazing Jewish family for the past 16 years.

Now, if this were a different candidate, you could perhaps dismiss what
happened here as an unfortunate, if rather gob smacking error of oversight.

But it is part of a far larger pattern that is exceedingly troubling for
many Americans, including one conservative who says such tweets are a
feature of Trump`s campaign, not above. And I`ll talk to him next.

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REP. PAUL RYAN (R-WI), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Look, anti-Semitic images,
they have got no place in a presidential campaign. Candidates should know
that. The tweet`s been deleted. I don`t know what flunky put this up
there, they`ve obviously got to fix that. We got to get back to the issues
that matter to the public.

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HAYES: That was House Speaker Paul Ryan once again having to explain away
an outrage committed by Donald Trump`s campaign, this time a now deleted
tweet featuring a Star of David, which was lifted by the Trump campaign
from an apparently anti-Semitic Twitter user.

Now, I`ve been on Twitter for almost 10 years. And I have to say it isn`t
normal for me, or I think most of us, who tweet to realize, oh, darn it, I
accidentally retweeted something anti-Semitic. It`s not a normal thing
that happens, unless your online presence is inextricably bound up in a
world in which such stuff is commonplace.

And that seems to have been the case with Donald Trump almost from the
start of his campaign.

The latest incident did not happen in a vacuum. More than once, Trump has
retweeted users who are named @whitegenocide, or use that phrase in their
header image.

Fortune found that Trump has retweeted at least 75 users who follow at
least three of the top 50 white genocide influencers. He`s also retweeted
false murder statistics meant to cast black Americans in a negative light.

One Neo-Nazi website said of Trump, referring to his tweets, “our glorious
leader and ultimate
savior has gone full, wink wink wink to his most aggressive supporters.”

Former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke, who has endorsed Trump, hailed
Trump`s much maligned tweet from this weekend. It was that tweet that
prompted prominent Trump critic Rick
Wilson pen an open letter to RNC chair Reince Priebus, calling on Priebus
to have Trump block the Neo-Nazis, anti-Semites and other scum who litter
his timeline before lamenting that Priebus won`t for fear of offending him,
and Trump won`t for fear of offending his base.

At this rate, there won`t be an autopsy at the end of this cycle, it will
be a funeral pyre and a
going out of business sale, added Wilson.

Joining me now is Rick Wilson, Republican media strategist and political
consultant. You know what cracked me up about reading that was there is
something just simple to do here, which is just block people with obvious
abhorrent views, spreading obvious – but they are so – I mean, if you
spend any time in the online world of Trumpism, you`re just never more than
one click away from it. It`s really a stunning thing to see up close.

RICK WILSON, REPUBLICAN MEDIA STRATEGIST: It really is, Chris. And the
fact of the matter is, Donald Trump understands who these people are. I`ve
come to believe that, as I said in the piece, it`s not a bug, it`s a
feature. This is a guy who understands that the center of his play is this
deeply resentful, edge case group of people who really believe that the
Jews control the world and that this is – that white nationalism is the
future of American politics. And they range in sophistication
from, you know, the guys who are fairly clever race-baiters who try to stay
out of the dirtier slums to the crazies in moms basement screaming for Hot
Pockets and a new holocaust.

So – but he tweets with all of these people. He engages with these folks,
re-tweets them. IO mean, every single time the guy tweets something, the
top four or five responses come from these bots
and these Neo-Nazi kids who are his biggest fan base. And, you know, the
guy will not disavow them. He wouldn`t disavow David Duke when he was
confronted on it, he wouldn`t disavow the Klan when
he was confronted on it.

This is a guy where racism is baked in the cake, and he is deeply
disconnected from the majority of Americans` feelings on things, like
having a new race war.

HAYES: You know, I had a moment this weekend where I was reading – or
maybe it was yesterday or today, when I was reading the Schiavino (ph)
response about citing what`s in Microsoft`s
shapes, and some debate about a sheriff`s star. I just was like how did we
get here? What has happened? I mean, at one level it`s like, if it were
any other campaign, you`d look at this and be like, well, that was a dumb
oversight. But it`s because of how consistent this has been that you`re
litigating like the origins of an image that I think if you pass by any
competent staffer, Rrepublican, Democrat, independent left or right, would
immediately say, obviously, obviously do not associate that with the
official campaign account.

WILSON: Look, as I put it, the dominant semiotic weight of a Star of David
over a pile of money is not a sheriff. The dominant semiotic weight of
that is the mid-century unpleasantness from the Holocaust. And this is a
guy who understands this. These people know what`s going on. Dan
Schiavino (ph), whoever else in their social media world, they`re trolling
4Chan, they`re trolling 8Chan, they`re trolling all this Alt-Right stuff
and they`re pulling out material that they know is responsive and
stimulating to the base of Trump`s support.

And the people that are involved in this, you know, on Trump`s campaign,
such as it is, they`re terrified to tell him no. And the ones who are
doing this, obviously, they recognize who they`re stroking and who they`re
appealing to.

So good job Reince, good job everybody else who has endorsed this guy,
because you`re going to get the stink of his continued flirtation with the
scuzzier parts of the anti-Semitic internet and the racist internet all
over you.

HAYES: Well, I thought about that today when I watched Bob Corker up on
that stage with Trump at the beginning of the rally that he gave tonight in
North Carolina. Corker is up there and it was just – it was so perfect.
He literally couldn`t say a single laudatory thing about the man whose
campaign appearance he`s at. He said, these rallies are not like my
rallies. And then he basically said, I got to spent some time with your
family, they seem like nice people. And that was it. He was done.

And I thought to myself, this is the closest – I mean, what is the
convention going to be? Is it four days of talking about how he
genetically is related to people that are decent? They`re going to have to
figure out what the line is.

WILSON: At this point, I think it`s going to look like the very worst
episode of Battle of the network Stars ever. It`s going to be C and D and
E list people on that stage who aren`t relevant to the American public on
the whole, who are sycophants to Donald Trump and it`s going to be an
embarrassment.

I`m still very curious how we`re going to actually pay for it, since no
one`s raising any money for the convention or for the RNC right now,
because the top of the ticket is deadly poison politically, and the
companies that would normally be supporting the convention have run for the
hills and rightfully so.

HAYES: Right, because they don`t want to find themselves on the wrong side
of a Star of David tweet. Rick Wilson, thanks for your time tonight.
Appreciate it.

WILSON: Thanks, Chris.

HAYES: A quick note, I just want to offer condolences and rest in peace to
Ab Mikva, legend, served in all three branches in this government, a man
who embodied public service. He will be missed.

That`s ALL IN for this evening.

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