All In with Chris Hayes, Transcript 09/29/15
CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST (voice-over): Tonight on ALL IN –
AL GORE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT: This is a bigger challenge than we`ve
HAYES: From the Climate Reality Project Conference in Miami, an ALL
GORE: There has been a very well-organized and well-funded effort on
part of the anti-climate forces.
HAYES: Tonight, former Vice President Al Gore on everything from the
Republican Party to the Democratic fight for 2016.
Plus, the state of the climate change fight. And why the tide keeps
rising, the sinking state of Florida.
Then, the Republican war on women.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t think we`re agreeing to disagree. I think
you`re not answering my question.
HAYES: The fight to defund Planned Parenthood gets nasty on Capitol
CECILE RICHARDS, PLANNED PARENTHOOD PRESIDENT: If you would give me
one moment to explain.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure.
HAYES: ALL IN starts right now.
HAYES: Good evening from Miami. I`m Chris Hayes.
Tonight, my exclusive interview with former Vice President Al Gore.
I`m here in Miami participating in a conference organized by the Climate
Reality Project, non-profit chaired by Gore that in the last 18 months has
trained thousands of people from over 100 countries the facts of our
And the backdrop for the conference could not be more appropriate.
Yesterday, the streets of Miami Beach were hit with coastal flooding
exacerbated by climate change. And a report this summer found that Florida
faces more risk from the effects of climate change than any other state in
Joining me now is former vice president and climate activist, Al Gore.
Wonderful to have you here.
AL GORE, CHAIRMAN, THE CLIMATE REALITY PROJECT: Well, it`s great to
be here. And thank you very much for participating in the conference.
HAYES: You know, I was thinking to myself that you – the last time
you were running for office, you were in elected politics was 15 years ago.
And, you know, we`re all watching this campaign happen. We`re all watching
politics now. And there`s some sense things have gone off the rails or the
center cannot hold.
HAYES: What do you think when you watch this play out? Does it feel
to you like we`re seeing some sort of seismic shifts? Is this something
that seems vaguely recognizable?
GORE: Well, vaguely, but the – American democracy has been hacked.
It no longer is operating the way it was intended to operate. And the
principle reason for the degradation of the process is the influence of big
And yet, the many proposals for campaign finance reform have been
inadequate to solve this problem because the main underlying reason for the
bigger role of money is that we know longer have the way of communicating
with one another that existed when our Founders wrote the Constitution.
The printing press created a public forum in which individuals could freely
enter and participate.
But the dominance of television since the last third of the 20th
century put up barriers to individuals participating. Gatekeepers charge a
lot of money for the kind of regular communication that comes in the
campaign television commercials.
But the good news is the Internet is now moving television off of
center stage. A lot of it is video but the barriers to entry are very low
once again. So, we have some hope of restoring the vitality of our
HAYES: It does seem like there`s this kind of centrifugal force
pulling and sometimes the center cannot hold. Sometimes for better or ill,
I mean, when you look at the parties, the Democratic party, Republican
Party as institutions seem to me – and I`d be curious what you think –
incredibly weak right now as institutions, as things that can tell people
do this, do that. Don`t do that, do this.
GORE: Yes. And, again, that is principally because some of the power
they used to exercise to keep the process orderly is now taken over by big
You know, our elected officials and most candidates for office
incredibly spend four, five, six hours every day begging special interests
and wealthy individuals for money.
HAYES: You used to have to do that.
GORE: Well, when I first entered the process in 1970, I was elected
the first time in 1976 –
GORE: – I didn`t have a single fund-raiser. And I did – I watched
it build over time.
HAYES: Eat up more of your schedule.
GORE: That`s right. But it was not nearly as bad then as it is now.
But the influence of money has to be curbed and Citizens United has
made it even worse. The idea that corporations are people is, of course,
absurd and ridiculous. But that is now what has happened. And it`s
another layer of problems for the election process.
HAYES: Hillary Clinton right now is trying to do something that
you`re the last person who tried to do. She`s trying to run as the
presumptive favorite nominee off of a successful and popular Democratic
presidential two terms. What challenges are there in that position from
GORE: Well, I`m not an expert on political punditry, but there does
seem to be kind of a pendulum effect in American politics. But it`s
probably a weak and there are people who have done the analyses that show
it can be overcome. It`s not immutable.
So I don`t think that`s an impassable barrier.
HAYES: On the other side, you have a Republican Party right now where
you don`t have a single person in this race, maybe I guess George Pataki
said something the other day.
HAYES: Historically large field, right? There`s some conflict about
a bunch of different positions. There`s no one on climate.
GORE: Yes, that`s odd, isn`t it?
HAYES: In the entire lineup.
HAYES: Last time around, you at least had Jon Huntsman who didn`t
fare very well.
HAYES: But there`s not a single person who stands up there and says,
“Yes, it`s a real big problem. We really need to address it.”
GORE: Yes, Lindsey Graham has made some –
HAYES: Yes, that`s true.
GORE: – some appropriate noises from time to time.
HAYES: I take that back.
GORE: But you`re right. Those who are in the top tier, if you will,
are all denying the science and are seemingly afraid to break ranks with
the large carbon polluters. And that – it`s astonishing on one level and
it`s sad for our country because this is the biggest challenge that we
We have to mobilize public opinion and we`re the only country in the
world where one of the major political parties denies the reality of
science. And it puts our country in a difficult situation because the kind
of debate that we should be having about the best solutions, about how we
can create the most jobs by installing solar panels on roofs and putting
new LEDs and better windows and insulation, we could create tens of
millions of new jobs if we had a legitimate debate about the best way to go
HAYES: You know, there`s – Jonathan Chait wrote this the other day.
There was a study about conservative parties across the world –
HAYES: – finding that the American conservative party is the only
one that has this position.
HAYES: You know, you can imagine on health care, people say the
market should handle this.
HAYES: But there`s no one saying, well, no one gets sick.
HAYES: It`s just doesn`t happen. But that`s what – why – do you
have an understanding why that is the case? What`s the exceptionalism at
play that –
GORE: Well, I think, in some ways, it`s not as big a mystery as it
might seem. There`s an old saying in the South, if you see a turtle on top
of a fence post, you can be pretty sure it didn`t get there by itself.
And in this case, the carbon polluters made a calculated decision
quite some time ago to spend a huge amount of money putting out false
ideas, creating false doubts. They took their playbook from the tobacco
industry. There`s a great book called “Merchants of Doubt” that documents
this. Others have documented a big part of it.
And, you know, the tobacco companies after the surgeon general`s
report came out hired actors and dressed them up as doctors and put them in
front of cameras with the script that said, “I`m a doctor. You don`t have
to worry about any health problems with – from smoking cigarettes.”
It was a lie. They knew it was a lie. They`ve been held to account
now, but they delayed action for 40 years.
So, the large carbon polluters have done essentially the same thing.
And they have people pretending to be credentialed scientists in the
relevant areas of science putting out totally false information. And we
now know that ExxonMobil, for example, thanks to the investigators at
“Inside Climate News”, winners of the Pulitzer prize – and, by the way,
congratulations on your Emmy for the poverty series.
HAYES: Thank you.
GORE: But we now know from “Inside Climate News” that ExxonMobil, the
largest of these companies, knew all the facts thoroughly as far as back as
1977 and chose to put out false information or to support those who put out
HAYES: OK. But here`s the thing, right? That applies as a sort of
theory off American democracy is functioning the way it is, right? It
applies to Germany, it applies in Australia. I mean, it applies across the
The fossil fuel companies have the same interests across the globe.
They have tried to muddy the waters across the globe. It has been uniquely
successful it seems to me here politically with the Republican Party.
GORE: I think that`s right. The European oil companies just changed
and abandoned that position and have formally as a group called for a price
on carbon. They tried to get some of the American oil companies to go
along with them. And the American oil companies said, “Sorry, we can`t do
One of them, this is from information inside in the European industry
shared with me, one of them said that they were scared of American
political leaders – in the United States Senate particularly – some that
protect the coal industry and want to have an alliance between coal and oil
and gas, and they want to keep that together.
I don`t think it can last. I think we are winning this debate. I
think that the coal industry is on the ropes here in the U.S.
And, by the way, we ought to help the people, the miners. We ought to
help them. We`ve got jobs for them to do. Let`s don`t leave them
But the financial assets are in danger of being stranded. And just
today, the head of the Central Bank in England, Mark Carney, made a really
powerful statement about how the British economy in his words is at dire
risk because of continued large investments in carbon fuel companies –
oil, coal and gas. He said, “Look, we have to change. And we can`t wait.”
HAYES: We`ve got questions on our Facebook page. I want to ask you
one of those about a big victory that happened recently. I want to ask you
about Keystone if you`ll stick around for another block.
GORE: Sure. Absolutely.
HAYES: Don`t go anywhere. More with the former vice president.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TIM RUSSERT, NBC NEWS: All Al Gore needs is Florida. All George Bush
needs Florida. They need Florida – Florida, Florida, Florida. Let me
show you one more time, this is it right here – Florida, Florida, Florida.
RUSSERT: It`s that kind of night.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: I`m here in the state that decided the 2000 election denying
Al Gore the presidency, the same state that will likely be ground zero for
climate change and the political fight over climate change as we head into
the 2016 election cycle. Neither of the two Republican politicians from
that state running for president or its current governor are putting forth
any plan on climate change.
But the mayor of South Miami is not in denial. He`s got some thoughts
you`re definitely going to want to hear. That`s ahead.
My interview with the former vice president continues next.
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SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R-FL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: There are other
countries that are polluting in the atmosphere much greater than we are at
this point – China, India all these countries that are still growing. And
they`re not going to stop doing what they`re doing. America is a country,
it`s not a planet.
GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R-NJ), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We shouldn`t be
destroying our economy in order to chase some wild left wing idea that
somehow us by ourselves is going to fix the climate.
CARLY FIORINA (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: A single nation acting
alone can make no difference. So, why would we destroy all these jobs with
regulation when the answer to climate change is innovation, not regulation?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: All right. Back here in Miami with former vice president and
climate activist, Al Gore.
This is the new argument you hear. For a while, it was – you know,
it`s snowing in D.C. So, obvious – you know, largely that has been
abandoned by people that I think don`t want to seem ridiculous. You also
have polling that shows that 50 percent of voters in the GOP primaries
believe in, you know, human caused climate change.
So, the next argument is the argument like that. Yes, it`s a problem.
But it`s a big planet. Everyone`s going to try to game each other. We
shouldn`t be the ones to go first and destroy American jobs and put people
in Kentucky out of work when everyone else is just going to cheat. We
can`t do anything about it.
GORE: Well, of course, there are at least two big flaws in that
First of all, we can create jobs by taking on this challenge. And we
can create jobs that cannot be outsourced, jobs like refurbishing buildings
to make them energy efficient, installing solar panels on rooftops so
individuals can have lower electricity bills. There are tens of millions
of jobs in this, and it`s one of the few areas in our economy where the
jobs are growing in number fairly rapidly. Eighty-eight percent growth in
green jobs year over year over the past year.
And secondly, since when did the United States abandon its traditional
world leadership role, especially at a time when just this past week the
president of China says, OK, we`re going to adopt a cap-and-trade program
and we`re reducing our CO2 emissions and we want to create jobs and solar
and wind and efficiency.
So, the rest of the world still does look to the United States for
leadership. This is the most serious global challenge we`ve ever faced.
No other country can play the role that the U.S. can play.
HAYES: One of the Facebook questions that came up a lot today when we
were asking our viewers was people wanted to get to you respond to the
GORE: Oh, yes.
HAYES: In which Shell had invested $7 billion in this highly
controversial plan to drill in the Arctic. They abandoned this week.
There had been a tremendous outpouring of activism.
What do you make of that decision?
GORE: Well, first of all, I would like to express my thanks and give
due honor to all of those activists and kayaktivists, as they call
themselves, that helped to build resistance to drilling in the Arctic.
It was insane to try to drill for oil in the Arctic. I hope this is
the last effort. It may not be, of course, because other countries, other
companies also have some interest in it.
But I think that the main reason Shell pulled the plug is that oil
prices are still staying at much lower levels than what would be required
to justify the enormous expense of drilling in the Arctic.
But, of course, the Arctic is almost a closed basin. The kind of
catastrophic accident that occurred in the Gulf of Mexico with the BP
Deepwater Horizon, if that kind of accident occurred in the Arctic Ocean,
it would be utterly catastrophic for the world.
So, it was a crazy idea in the first place. I`m glad they pulled the
plug. I hope nobody else tries it.
HAYES: Keystone has been one of the other sites of client activism
that the pipeline that would bring carbon-intensive fuel oil, dirty sand
oil. Hillary Clinton just announced she is opposing the pipeline. She was
at secretary of state when State was involved in the negotiations around
it. Bernie Sanders had already come out against it.
Were you surprised by Clinton announcing that?
GORE: No, I`m glad now that all three of the Democratic candidates
have come out against it. I doubt it will go forward.
I don`t think at this point the Canadians are even counting on it
going forward. I could be wrong about that.
But the process by which that tar sand resource is turned into oil
produces way more greenhouse gas pollution and it also befouls the
landscape and chews up beautiful areas in western Canada.
It really – I was asked about it several years ago in Alberta, and I
made an intemperate comment when asked about it, I said, “Well, junkies
find veins in their toes when the ones in their arms and legs no longer
work.” And it`s – maybe it`s not the best way of saying it, but what it
means is, if we are so addicted to fossil fuels that we have to go to such
absurd extremes at such heavy environmental cost, it`s time to re-examine
our whole relationship to fossil fuels.
Now, here`s – here`s the good news, Chris. And you`re aware of this
I know, but I want to be sure to say this: the cost of electricity from
solar energy is coming down so fast now, it is bringing with it an energy
revolution that is unprecedented in the history of the world. Solar PV on
rooftops, plus more affordable batteries is changing everything.
And this state of Florida is going to be a battleground in next year
in the election year where a bipartisan coalition that includes the some of
the Tea Party groups, the Christian coalition, Democrats, progressives,
Republicans, conservatives, it`s across the board, they`re saying, we want
to be able to buy electricity from solar panels on our rooftops.
GORE: This is one of only four states where the government in cahoots
with the big monopoly –
HAYES: Stops you from doing it.
GORE: – coal-burning utility says it is illegal for you to buy
electricity from somebody that puts solar panels on your roof. And they go
beyond that and put a tax on the solar panels.
It is – it`s unacceptable. And there`s going to be a political
revolution here in the state of Florida, mark my words.
HAYES: Are you done with public life politics?
GORE: I`m enjoying what I`m doing now. I`ve often said, perhaps once
too often, but I`m a recovering politician and the longer I go without a
relapse, the less likely one becomes.
HAYES: It must be – in the universe of Citizens United, I can`t
imagine it feels more appealing to be in a campaign now than it would have
– I mean, as time goes by, the structural way a campaign is run must be
least appealing, or maybe I`m wrong.
GORE: Well, I do think that the influence of money we talked about
earlier does degrade the process but I have a lot of respect for those who
choose to go through this process.
I`ve run four national campaigns, two for president, two for vice
president. I know what they`re going through, and I deeply respect what
individuals in both parties are doing.
And there are things that I miss about it. But I would like to see
reforms in the process. I would like to see democracy restored to good
health. I do think our system`s been hacked. I think it needs to be
restored. We need a kind of occupied democracy movement in this country.
And I think the kind of grassroots activism that we`re seeing across
ideological lines to promote renewable energy is one of the ways we can get
our democracy back in good working order.
HAYES: Are you going to endorse?
GORE: So far – you know, we get the impression from this coverage
that the election is next week.
HAYES: It is, it`s next week.
GORE: It`s a long way off. And I`ll wait on that decision.
HAYES: All right. Former Vice President Al Gore, really, a great
pleasure to have you here.
GORE: Thank you very much for having me. Absolutely.
HAYES: Thank you.
Coming up, the spectacle of today`s Planned Parenthood hearing.
Congresswoman Bonnie Watson Coleman was in that chamber and she will join
me live, ahead.
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REP. BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN (D), NEW JERSEY: Thank you, Ms. Richards,
for enduring – enduring what I consider to be a very offensive approach on
the part of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, as they`ve
badgered you with questions.
HAYES: Soon to be ex-Speaker of the House John Boehner may have vowed
no government shutdown over Planned Parenthood, but today, Republican
lawmakers got perhaps the next best thing – a high profile, highly
dramatic congressional hearing on Capitol Hill which at times morphed into
a bona fide public shaming of Planned Parenthood and its president, Cecile
Ms. Richards is testifying before the House Oversight and Government
Reform Committee, fielding hours of questioning and defending the women`s
health care organization over its use of federal funding.
At issue, a series of heavily edited undercover videos release by
anti-abortion activists, implying that Planned Parenthood officials were
illegally selling fetal tissue for profit. Planned Parenthood has said
those accusations are false and the organization follows all laws and
And yet, the first question from Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz of
Utah had nothing to do with those videos.
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REP. JASON CHAFFETZ (R), UTAH: Ms. Richards, Planned Parenthood has
sent $32-plus million in grants overseas. Does any of these funds go to
the Democratic Republic of the Congo?
RICHARDS: Congressman, let me tell you.
CHAFFETZ: No, no, no, we don`t have the time for a big narrative.
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HAYES: Chaffetz at times demonstrated also a fundamental
misunderstanding of how women actually receive care.
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CHAFFETZ: That`s part of the challenge is that you don`t do
mammograms. So, if you –
RICHARDS: We –
CHAFFETZ: Go ahead.
RICHARDS: I`m sorry. I never –
CHAFFETZ: You don`t do mammograms. There`s one or two places that
does them. You don`t do mammograms.
RICHARDS: If you would give me one moment to explain.
RICHARDS: Planned Parenthood is a women`s health center just like
where I go for my breast exams every year. If you need a mammogram, you`re
referred to a radiological center. And that`s how women actually receive
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HAYES: Planned Parenthood which provides medical services to 2.7
million women and men a year, a majority of them low income, receives over
$500 million in federal funding. None of that money used for abortion.
Chaffetz pointed out that Planned Parenthood shouldn`t need any
federal money because of Ms. Richards` salary, remarks that earned him a
strong rebuke from Democratic Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney.
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REP. JASON CHAFFETZ, (R) UTAH: Your compensation in 2009 was
$353,000. Is that correct?
CECILE RICHARDS, PLANNED PARENTHOOD: I don`t have the figures with
me, but I`m…
CHAFFETZ: It was, congratulations.
In 2013, your compensation went up some $240,000. Your compensation
we`re showing baseline tax returns is $590,000. Correct?
RICHARDS: That`s not my annual compensation. Actually my annual
compensation is $520,000 a year.
REP. CAROLYN MAHONEY, (D) NEW YORK: The entire time I`ve been in
congress, I`ve never seen a witness beaten up and questioned about their
Miss Richards heads a distinguished organization providing health care
services to millions of Americans. And I find it totally inappropriate and
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HAYES: The real piece de resistance came when Chaffetz presented a
slide to Ms. Richards claiming it came from Planned Parenthood`s reports.
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RICHARDS: Again, you created this slide. I have no idea what it is.
CHAFFETZ: Well, it`s the reduction over the course of years in pink,
that`s the reduction in the breast exams and the red is the increase in the
abortions. That`s what`s going on in your organization.
RICHARDS: this is a slide that has never been shown to me before.
I`m happy to look at it. And it absolutely does not reflect what`s
happening at Planned
CHAFFETZ: You`re going to deny that if we take those numbers out of
RICHARDS: I`m going to deny the slide that you`ve just shown me that
no one has ever provided us before.
We have provided you all the information about everything, all the
services that Planned Parenthood provides. And it doesn`t feel like we`re
trying to get to the truth here. You just showed me this. I`m happy to
look at it.
CHAFFETZ: I pulled those numbers directly out of your corporate
RICHARDS: Oh, excuse me, my lawyers are informing me that the source
of this is actually Americans United for Life, which is an anti-abortion
group. So, I would check your source.
CHAFFETZ: Then we will get to the bottom of the truth of that.
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HAYES: all right. That slide, that slide that was a centerpiece of
the dig dramatic confrontation came from an anti-abortion group Americans
United for Life.
And just take a look the at it for a moment. The numbers as they are
presented on this graphic make no sense. The bigger number is below the
The chart implies that Planned Parenthood has been providing more
abortions while cutting service on other services which is not true. In
fact, the number of STD tests and treatments the organization has given has
actually gone up.
Here`s how that graphic, which is about cancer treatment, how that
should look as Vox (ph) pointed out using the Planned Parenthood figures.
You see the purple line is above the red line, because that number on top
is bigger than the number on the bottom.
Now, there`s a lot about today`s hearing that didn`t make a whole lot
of sense. Next, I`ll talk with two women on the front lines of this fight,
including a Democratic lawmaker who was in the room.
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REP. BONNIE WATSON COLEMAN, (D) NEW JERSEY: Are we here simply
because the ideological right wing of this Republican conference here in
congress, the dysfunction that`s manifested simply so anti-women`s right to
choose that they would bring you here for a fourth hearing? Or are we here
because somebody believes that Planned Parenthood doesn`t need federal
reimbursement for the health care that it gives?
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HAYES: That was Congresswoman Bonnie Watson Coleman defending the
president of Planned Parenthood Cecile Richards at today`s congressional
Congresswoman, I – it was a pretty remarkable scene in that committee
room just the level of tension, the tone that certain of your colleagues
seemed to take
towards the witness. Obviously, heated exchanges aren`t completely out of
ordinary. What did you make of it?
COLEMAN: Well, I thought the tone that was established from the very
beginning with our chairman sort of signaled to us that we were going to be
going downhill for the rest of the day.
I don`t think that there was any issue of truth seeking there.
Certainly wasn`t any investigation going on there. We had one witness. We
had Cecile Richards who handled herself in an exemplary manner who was
treated disrespectfully, wasn`t given the opportunity to ask questions.
And you know what I think that this was today? This was an
illustration of what to do when you can`t figure out what you`re supposed
to be doing as a majority. They`re in disarray. They`re dysfunctional.
The only thing they can seem to agree on is that the right wing minority
within that conference is holding them hostage. And the only thing they
can agree on is this fight against women.
So we get to this hearing. First, we thought the hearing was about
the videos. We know that`s blowing up and how bogus that has been and
there have been forensic studies that have established that you can`t even
rely upon those videos.
So then the questioning got to be, well, are you – do you really need
money from federal government to issue your services to women? And so they
were all over the place because they did not have any rational reason for
being in that hearing.
And I asked them, how are you going to make a decision about whether
or not to defund Planned Parenthood when you don`t even know why you`re
HAYES: Well, it also struck me that part of the issue here is there`s
such tremendous bad faith around the whole thing. I mean, the members –
your Republican colleagues on that committee, they for the most part I
think unanimously are as opposed to abortion being legal. They think
abortion is a great moral transgression, Planned Parenthood is an
organization committed to insuring that it`s legal, safe. It provides the
service to women. And so they don`t like that.
But because that is not an avenue they can productively go down,
instead what you get is an attack on the organization as a whole from every
direction as if it`s some big con game being run on its patients.
COLEMAN: So Planned Parenthood treated at least 2.7 million women
last year – and men and men, please let me add that they also treat men.
Those patients primarily came from underserved areas, areas where it`s
difficult to have access to health care. And they`re very poor patients.
So this Republican majority would choose to put that whole cohort of
people in peril just to further its ideological dark age manifestation of
fighting against a woman`s right to choose.
It is absolutely ludicrous, but when you fail to do your job which is
to help create jobs, to pass the civil rights – voting rights legislation,
when you fail to bring an infrastructure bill creating jobs that way,
creating export/import banks so that we could create an economy, when you
can`t come together around issues that people actually need you to address,
then you go to something that is
so far extreme that represents to people who are paying attention that this
dysfunctional majority that doesn`t know how the to govern.
HAYES: Congresswoman Bonnie Watson Coleman, thank you very much.
Joining me now is Ilyse Hogue, the president of NARAL Pro-Choice
And Elise, it`s interesting. I`ve been seeing a lot of head
scratching among conservative writers and folks opposed to abortion rights
about why Planned Parenthood has not taken a bigger hit. Here`s the latest
NBC News poll showing that the net favorability of Planned Parenthood is
better than Barack Obama, the
Democratic Party, the Republican Party and Donald Trump among others.
Is it surprising to you the resilience in the popularity of Planned
Parenthood after these last few months?
ILYSE HOGUE, PRESIDENT, NARAL PRO-CHOICE AMERICA: No, it`s not
at all. It`s not surprising because seven in ten Americans believe in legal
abortion, actually trust women and our families to make our own decisions.
And it`s not surprising because of the number of lives that Planned
Parenthood has touched. Cecile Richards in that room today has done more
women and Americans` health than anyone else sitting there. And Americans
know that, therefore, they`re going to continue to be there.
We were part of a coalition that delivered 2 million petitions to
congress to stand with Planned Parenthood today. Where are there 2 million
petition? Where is their Cecile Richards? They won`t let the David
Daleiden, who is the guy behind these bogus videos, testify because they
know he can`t withstand the truth.
HAYES: Yeah. I was sort of surprised by that actually, that the
organization that conducted this fairly sophisticated operation of setting
up sort of fake organizations and getting in with cameras to produce these
videos the person who runs that, that you would think the Republican
committee would want to hear from him also.
HOGUE: You know, if the Republicans – what was interesting about
is it was a perfect pageant of the extreme GOP priorities, right? There
was a total disregard for facts. There was a complete denigration and
disdain for women, Cecile most specifically but women in general. And
there is this obsession with
outlawing abortion at the expense of everything else that needs to happen
in this country.
David Daleiden is the perfect example of that, but he can`t actually
testify because the GOP knows he`s a house of cards that will fold.
HAYES: You know, the other context that struck me as relevant here,
this is some data in the Guttmacher Institute – you know, unwanted
pregnancies and abortions are actually trending downward. There`s seeing
great movement in the teen pregnancy rate, as well. So there`s actually
been positive movement in the direction towards people being able to
control their own reproductive health and choose affirmatively when they
want to bear a child.
That is totally removed from the kind of reality that is being painted
inside that committee room.
HOGUE: Absolutely removed and that`s because you know, what I say all
the time is these folks are not actually anti-abortion. If they were they
would join hands with us and fight for universal access to contraception,
paid parental leave, the kinds of things that support working families.
What they are is anti-any woman living her life any way different from what
they see fit. And that`s just completely out of step with how most
Americans live today. So, they`re going to get theirs.
HAYES: All right, Ilyse Hogue, great thanks. Don`t miss Cecile
Richards who will sit down exclusively with Rachel Maddow coming up at 9:00
Up next, some people I truly admire were named recipients of the
MacArthur Genius Grant, some you may have heard of, one of them, but you
almost certainly haven`t heard of another. I`ll introduce her ahead.
HAYES: All right, so last night a little after midnight, I was
looking at my
phone in bed which I shouldn`t do, but we all do, right. And I saw a tweet
from someone who had congratulated Ta-Nehisi Coates, my good friend and
friend of the show, for winning the esteemed MacArthur genius grant, that
is of course, the award
given out every year by the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation.
And the idea is to reward genius in all its many forms: writers and
scientists, dancers and economists. The award comes with this stipend of
$625,000 to be paid out over five years so that the recipients can pursue
whatever they want. And I was so thrilled that Ta-Nehisi won, that he was
one of the 24 genius grant recipients.
And then I saw another tweet that my friend from high school Lin-
Manuel Miranda, the writer and star of the hit Broadway musical “Hamilton”
also won the MacArthur genius grant which is fitting since we here on the
show highlighted him back in March as part of MSNBC`s seven days of genius.
So, two friends, two genius awards. And that`s when I got curious.
Well, who else is on the list? And I went to the MacArthur Foundation`s
web page to see
who else was there. I scrolled down and my aunt is there. Alex Truesdel.
That`s my aunt. I was like holy crap. Aunt Alex.
I was literally jumping up and down in my room because there is not a
single person I could think of more deserving. Alex runs this amazing
organization called Adaptive Design Association. And they make custom
built adaptive furniture for children with disabilities. Each thing they
build, from a desk that allows a child to sit for the first time in class
comfortably with her school mates, to a custom tricycle that gives the
child the thrill of mobility, each of those items is specified to the
minute needs of each child.
And the stuff is affordable because it`s made out of cardboard and
glue, and they open source their technology because they want to share it
with as many as others as possible.
And they have made incredible, tangible life changing improvements in
the lives of hundreds of kids. And if that is not genius, I don`t know
HAYES: Two nights ago, everyone across the country was watching the
supermoon. Here in Miami it was a source of wonder, in part because of the
lunar eclipse, but the supermoon was also a source of headaches because it
caused a lot of flooding.
You see, the moon was uncharacteristically close to the earth and the
tide, referred to as a king tide, was uncharacteristically high. There was
flooding yesterday in Fort Lauderdale Beach, as well and other parts of
south Florida`s coastline, flooding that may well not have happened as
recently as a decade ago when sea levels were considerably lower.
Florida has more people living less than four feet above sea level
than any other state except Louisiana and rising sea levels produced by
climate change threaten the estimated $15 billion of beachfront property.
NASA recently warned that rising sea levels could threaten its launch
sites, including the Kennedy Space Center. All of which clarifies for the
residents of Florida, that climate change is not some abstract thing in the
future, but is literally flooding their streets right now.
And you would think it would affect the policy proposals of the two
gentlemen from the state of Florida who are running for President, former
governor Jeb Bush and Senator Marco Rubio. But Rubio is pretty solidly in
the camp of why should we take action when we know the Chinese won`t,
ignoring the fact the Chinese have entered into an historic agreement with
the U.S. to curb emissions.
And today, Jeb Bush unveiled his energy plan, which would basically
put a whole lot more carbon in the air by policy prescriptions such as
ending the 40 year ban on crude oil exports and rolling back restrictions
on natural gas exports.
But not every Florida politician is as blind. In fact, one mayor in
this area happens to be a biologist who has strong words for his fellow
Floridians who are touring the country right on a campaign of evasion and
denial. I asked him what he would say to Bush and Rubio.
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MAYOR PHILIP STODDARD, SOUTH MIAMI: Your arguments are complete
I mean, that the idea you don`t want to harm the economy by engaging
problems with sea level rise, what do you think sea level rise is going to
do to our economy? It`s going to destroy it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES: That mayor just ahead.
HAYES: Earlier today I spoke with Mayor Philip Stoddard of South
Miami about Florida`s place on the frontline of climate change in this
country. Because the mayor of South Miami also happens to be a biology
professor at Florida International University, I asked him about the rarity
of being both a scientist and a politician.
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GODDARD; It`s not common. Scientists love being scientists so much
they rarely run for elected office, but you know I was a sucker. I went
for it. So, here I am today.
HAYES: And you know I keep thinking you`ve got two people in the
field who many are saying the two most likely to actually get the
nomination when the whole thing is done – Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio, both
from Florida, both
from Miami, both going around saying basically, shrugging at climate
change, not hardcore denialists, but well, the jury`s still out. And even
if it isn`t, what can we really do?
As someone who lives here, represents constituents here and is a
biologist, what`s your reaction.
GODDARD: Well, my first reaction is disappointment. I mean, we
expect our elected leaders to be the adults in the room, to take
responsibility to look after everybody`s best actions. And they`re not
doing it, frankly.
It`s a puzzle coming from Jeb Bush because he has such strong
connections to the real estate community. They`re the ones with the most
to lose. So why isn`t he engaging this issue like all of the big banks are
and like the big financial
houses and now like the underwriters? I mean, that`s a mystery.
Marco Rubio is a different mystery. Marco Rubio has got young
children. This is going to be their future. He should be looking out for
the future of his own family and his own kids. And that means taking a
firm hard look at the best science and doing what`s best for the next
HAYES: And it`s not – I mean, really down here in Miami. It is not
remote or abstract at all. I mean, there is a tide for the super moon just
two nights ago.
GODDARD: Yeah, there was.
HAYES: That created flooding. You guys are right here on the water.
There`s all sorts of studies that suggest Miami is the city the most
immediately imperiled by the effects of climate change.
GODDARD: Yeah, and Thomas Edison was the one who predicted that the
industrial revolution would put enough carbon into the atmosphere to change
our climate. This is not a new idea.
We`ve depended on Edison science and technology for everything we`ve
done. And he predicted climate change back then. And here it is today.
So, it`s no big surprise.
HAYES: Well, I mean, so what is your explanation? Is there – is
there – in Florida politics as a whole doesn`t seem to be particularly
worked up about something that is so obviously manifestly a threat to not
just people but as you said billions of dollars.
GODDARD: Well, as a whole, it`s not worked out. As a half it is
worked up. I mean, you`ve got people on the take, obviously, from some
very specific moneyed concerns saying it`s no big deal or we can`t do
anything about it even if it is a big deal. And you`ve got the rest of the
world who is listening to the scientists
and saying this is the largest crisis that mankind has yet engaged. And we
have to engage it with everything we`ve got.
HAYES: Do you guys see it here? Do you see the front edge effects
GODDARD; Of course we do. Of course we do.
I mean, we`ve seen our summer season extending by a month over the
past few decades. We see saltwater coming up out of the storm drains when
it didn`t used to do it.
HAYES: Saltwater coming out of the storm drains?
GODDARD: Yeah, saltwater coming out of the storm drains. So,
particularly along the coastal reaches, when the tides come in, especially
when there`s a full moon, all the drains become suppliers of saltwater into
the streets. And that`s what we call rainy day flooding. You can have a
beautiful – beg your pardon, that`s what we call sunny day flooding. You
can have a beautiful day and the streets fill up with water. And everybody
is saying where is it coming from?
You stick your finger down there and you taste it and you go that`s
saltwater. That`s not rain water.
HAYES: So, a beautiful sunny day, you sea level rise. There`s
already been significant sea level rise and high tide sucks in the
saltwater into the storm
GODDARD: Pushes it right in.
HAYES: Pushes it right in. And you get actual flooding in the
GODDARD: You get flooding in the streets. Sea water out of the storm
drains. And in fact, the sea level has risen five inches in Miami in the
five years, an inch a year. And that`s not global sea level rise, that`s
local sea level rise so there`s differences and changes in the ocean
currents that can shift the water this way, that way.
HAYES: five inches in five years?
GODDARD: Five inches in five years.
HAYES: That`s a lot.
GODDARD: It is a lot.
HAYES: It seems to me still a puzzle. I mean, you talk about –
well, he`s close to real estate. And I was talking to someone earlier
today about you have an entire industry around assessing risk particularly
in places like this, they`re subject to hurricanes and to flooding. You
would think that all of this concentrated money and power would be grabbing
people by the lapels in the Florida state legislature or the two gentlemen
who were running for office and saying…
GODDARD: Yeah, you would think so. But it`s happening in New York.
I mean, the financial markets in New York are waking up and they`re dealing
But Florida is years behind the rest of the country.
HAYES: The former governor of your state, resident here, the current
U.S. senator represents you, you`re one of his constituents. He represents
your constituents of 14,000 residents of South Miami. I mean, if you could
sit down with either of these gentlemen in a coffee shop in South Miami,
what would say to them?
GODDARD: I would say your arguments are complete (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
I mean, the idea that you don`t want to harm the economy by engaging the
problems with sea level rise, what do you think sea level rise is going to
do to our economy? It`s going to destroy it. I mean, you have – we`re
going to be underwater for heaven`s sakes. How can you give these specious
arguments about wanting to protect the economy when the biggest threat to
the economy we`ve seen is coming down on us like a truck. I mean, that`s
what I would say to them.
HAYES: Well, maybe if they`re watching you`ll get it across. Mayor
Stoddard, it`s been a great pleasure.
GODDARD: Thank you.
HAYES: Thank you so much.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
HAYES; That is All In for this evening. The Rachel Maddow Show
starts right now.
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