All In with Chris Hayes, Transcript 09/14/15

Tripp Gabriel, Michael Steele, Evan McMorris-Santoro

CHRIS HAYES, MSNBC HOST: Good evening from New York. I`m Chris

Donald Trump tonight spoke at a sold-out rally at the American
Airlines Center in Dallas, took the opportunity to tout his own success as
television gold.

see me a little while ago. He said, Mr. Trump, I have been doing this for
35 years. I`ve never seen what`s happened here.

I got a call from the writer from “The New York Times.” I have great
respect for “the New York Times.” called up – I know. I hear that. It`s
OK. It`s a good story, not a bad story.

And he said, could I can ask you a question. I said, what? Very
powerful writer, actually. He said, how does it feel? I said, how does
what feel? He said, what you`ve done has never ever been done before.
You`ve dominated, taking over the polls.

You know, on television on FOX and CNN, they call it all Trump all the
time. Can you believe it? All Trump all the time.


And by the way, their ratings are through the roof. If they weren`t
they wouldn`t put me on. I`ll be honest with you. It`s a simple formula
in entertainment and television. If you get good ratings – if you get
good ratings, and these aren`t good, these are monster, then you`ll be on
all the time, even if you have nothing to say.

If you come up with a cure for a major, major horrendous disease and
if you don`t get ratings, they won`t bother even reporting it. It`s very
simple business. Very simple.

So, we`ve gone on, we`ve had a lot of fun, and now it`s time to really
start, because this is going to happen, I`m telling you. This – I`m not
going anywhere. Somebody said – today.


We`re not going anywhere. Software somebody said today, you`ve done
so well, you don`t have to go any further. I said, are you crazy?

You know what, the writer at “The Times” told me, he said it`s been
amazing what you`ve done. I said, I haven`t won. We haven`t won anything.
I mean I`m having fun and all, but I haven`t won. There has been no
victory. He said, it doesn`t matter. What you`ve done is incredible. You
have won.

I said, you`re wrong. Unless I win, it`s been a waste of time for me,
folks, I`ll be honest with you. Been a total waste of time. I really mean
that too.

We should have won – thank you. He said you will win. We should
have won last time. Mitt Romney let us down. I mean, he let us down. He
let us down.

You know, one of the things that I`m really happy about, I`m surging
they said. Can you believe this one? I`m surging with women. Can you
believe it?


I have such respect for women. I cherish women. I`m going to take
such good care of women`s health care issues, you won`t even believe it,
but I`m surging with women.

One of the things coming out – I`m watching television, and they said
Trump is surging with women. I said really? That`s amazing. You know,
it`s incredible. I make like statements – you know, Carly is giving me a
little bit of a hard time even though her poll numbers are horrible.

She is the one. She was another one. She is surging. Ben is –
everyone is surging but me.

Hillary is not surging, I tell you that. They`re not saying that.
They`re not saying – thank you.


Hillary is not surging.

Well, look, I like Carly. And I like Ben. And I like many of the
people that I`m running against.

I mean, many of these people are terrific people. But nobody is going
to be able to do the job that I`m going to do. Nobody. They won`t. They

Don`t forget, I love these people back here.



But they won`t. I mean, what I do is – I do deals. I deal. I have
tremendous energy, tremendous. To a point where it`s almost ridiculous,
when you think about it.

But we need somebody with great energy, with great passion, with great
deal-making skills. And we need a closer. We need closers. We don`t have
closers. We just don`t have closers.

And honestly, they`re not deal people. I`ll tell you, they`re good at
raising money for their PACs or whatever the hell – they`re probably not
supposed to do it but they`re doing it anyway. It`s illegal as hell, but I
think they`re doing it anybody.

You ever notice they have money in the PAC, they don`t have hard money
but the PAC is giving – I`m saying, what`s going on over here? I`m not
allowed – how come I can`t talk to anybody?

And again, I have to tell you this and I want to have your opinion.
So, I`m self-funding, I told you. But if you took hundreds of millions, I
tell you what, I could have $200 million so fast. If I took that, would
you people object if I promise not to do anything from the people I took it
from? No.

I had a group in Iowa, actually they were much more vocal about this
issue. I stood up – I realize how important it is, putting your own money
in, because, you know, I`m telling people that Jeb, nice guy, really a nice
guy – Jeb, Hillary – well, Jeb is more popular than one person, I know.
But all of them. I don`t want to go through the names. They have money
put up in PACs or hard money, whatever – wherever the money is.

Believe me, I was the king. I was the king. You know, I was the
white-haired – no, blonde-haired. Let`s say blonde.

But I was the blond head – I was perfect. I was the ultimate. I was
the ultimate sort of insider. I put up money. They loved me. But then
when I said I`m running they all looked at me like – the RNC, Reince is a
great guy but they looked at me like, you`re not supposed to be doing that.
You`re not supposed to be putting up money. If you need something in two,
three, five years, they`ll do whatever you want.

What happened is, I know the system I think better than anybody. I
know the taxes. Look, taxes, who knows better than me? We`re going to
reduce taxes.


We`re going to make the hedge – any hedge fund guys, you got good
seats. If there are any hedge fund guys in this room?

If there are you should probably leave right now. That`s a – but I
have a friend in the hedge fund business – not really a friend. Not
actually a nice guy, but he would be good representing us. I tell you
because by the time I finish he might not have much of a hedge fund left.

I said, what did you make last year? He said about $250 million.
This is serious.

I said, oh. That`s a lot of money. What did you pay in taxes? He
goes, Don, practically nothing.

That was a couple of years ago. I never forgot it. The other day, he
calls me up because he hears me talking about hedge fund guys are going to
pay up. He calls me up the other day. I was only kidding.

He doesn`t know what to do. The truth is they`ll do just fine.
Because we`re going to make the country so successful, they`ll do just
fine. They`ll end up doing better. They`ll end up doing better.


But we`ve got to lower taxes for a lot of people. Corporations paying
far too much. Far too much.

Middle income people are being decimated. They`re being decimated.


I mean, we have a group of 200 guys, but – but the middle income in
this country is being decimated, and we`re going to change it. We`re going
to change it.

So, I`ll be announcing, over the next three or so weeks, I`ll be
announcing I think a great tax plan. I know the tax code. I know
everything about it probably as well as anybody there is, right? And we`re
going to be doing something that`s going to be really pro-growth, really
reduction in taxes.

We`re going to get the $2.5 trillion that`s in other countries, we`re
going to get it back. They can`t –


We`re going to get it back.

And you know, you have corporate inversion. Does anybody know what
that means? You know, in the old days people might leave New York for
Texas or they may go from New Jersey to Florida or whatever.

It`s not that way anymore. Now they go from this country to other
countries. And they go for two reasons – lower taxes, lower labor, but
lower taxes. You have countries that want to charge them nothing, so they
take these companies.

And these guys, they make a fortune. They have no real loyalty in
many cases, no real loyalty to the United States. They want to show a good
profit and loss statement. So they take – and they go to another country
and, all of a sudden, their numbers look good. They can`t bring their
money back in.

And, by the way, for two and a half, three years, I`ve seen – every
politician agrees that we should lower the tax on bringing money because
it`s so onerous that nobody in this room would bring that money back.
Everybody says it. For two and a half years the Democrats, Republicans,
conservatives. Everybody. They can`t make a deal.

We have a government that`s really messed up because we don`t have a
leader at the top. A right leader could get it done.


The right leader will get it done, and you will see numbers like you
never have seen before. I actually believe that – and we`re in trouble.
You know, I have made the statement – and I`ve said this before. The
American dream is dead, but I`m going to make it bigger and better and
stronger than ever before. I have made that statement.


And I`ll tell you what happens. And it happens a lot. The other day
I went home, and I said to my wife, what`s wrong? Oh, darling, you were
very tough. What? What did I do? Of course it`s live television.

She said, you said the American dream is dead. I said, no. I said
the American dream is dead but I`m going to make it bigger and better and
stronger than ever before. She said, no, you didn`t, you just said it`s

So, I turn on television. It`s wonderful now you can record this
stuff and see it ten hours later. I turn on television and it`s me
standing in this big crowd. The American dream is dead! Cut. I said, oh.

Again, the dishonest media. You know, I went ballistic. I was so

But the American dream, it`s going to be better. We can make it
better than ever before. We can do –


I mean, we`re in Texas. We can do things with oil and gas that will
be unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

Try sending your oil outside of the boundaries of the United States.
How ridiculous. And we`re sitting on top because of technology. We can be
the number one energy producer in the world right here in the United

But we have archaic laws. We have – everything is wrong. I have so
many friends in the energy business. They`re great people, they`re
working. They`re not as rich as they were about two months ago. But these
are minor details. They`ll be fine.

But we can do things with energy that will be so, so incredible, which
is great for Texas, but it`s great for the country. It`s great for the


Now, China, Japan – true. You can`t be upset with China or Japan or
Mexico. Can`t be upset with anyone.

You know, when I announced for the presidency, it was very interesting
what happened. I made a beautiful speech. I thought it was wonderful.
Everything was fine.

About a week and a half later, they attacked me. In other words, they
went – and then they lied. They made it up. And they talked about –
talking about illegal immigration. I brought up a subject called illegal

And I just saw backstage some of the families who were decimated.
Their families were decimated. Their sons, their daughters killed by
illegal immigrants. And it`s a massive problem.

We have to stop illegal immigration. We have to do it. We have to do


Have to do it.



And when I hear some of the people that I`m running against, including
the Democrats, we have to build a wall, folks.


We have to build a wall. And a wall works. All you have to do is go
to Israel and say, how is your wall working? Walls work.

And I want people to come into the country, but I want them to be
legal. I want them to go through the process. I want them to come in.

I want to have a big, beautiful door, but they have to be legal. They
have to be. And if they`re not going to be, they can`t come in.

And I`ll tell you what, the first thing we do, you know – people
don`t realize. You look at crime in Chicago, you look at crime in so many
different places, and you see gangs. Many of these gang members are
illegal immigrants. They`re rough dudes. They will be out of here so
freaking fast –


And I think a lot of these countries send them in here because they
don`t want them. What do they want them in prison for 40 years?

They – look, look, whether it`s – any country. Their leaders are
smarter than our leaders. They`re more cunning. They`re tougher, they`re

And we take them Kate in San Francisco, this magnificent young woman,
shot in the back by a guy that was sent over here probably pushed over, who
knows? But he was an illegal immigrant. Came over, went to San Francisco.
We have to end this sanctuary cities crap fast, fast!


So, he admits he`s guilty. Now he`s got a lawyer. Oh, well, he
didn`t really know. He wasn`t aiming there. It was a ricochet. Blah,
blah, blah.

It`s disgusting what`s happening to our country. We are a dumping
ground for the rest of the world. We are. A dumping ground.

And let me tell you something, the whole subject of anchor babies, did
you hear that character from one of the networks? Anchor baby is just
really not a nice term. I said, what would you do? What would you say?
And he gives me like a 12-word definition. I said, no, we`ll have to use
anchor baby.

I don`t mean to be disrespectful. But when a man has a problem and
he`s got his wife or his girlfriend and they move her over to the border
for one day, has the baby on the other side of the border, our side, now
that baby is a citizen of our country for however long the baby lives.


Hopefully a long – it`s wrong. It`s wrong.

And by the way, by the way, the law doesn`t call that. That`s not
what the law says. And people are finding out now that I`m right.

We didn`t say that somebody could be pregnant for nine months, come
across the border, have a baby and now it`s ours and we have to take care
of the baby forever. It doesn`t say that. It does not say it.

So, we have to straighten out. We have to straighten out our act.
We`re going to have a great country. We`re going to have a great border.
We`re going to have a border that`s a real border. You people are
suffering. I mean, I`m in New York, but from New York, too. They`re all
over the place.

We want people to be in our country legally! Legally.


And we want great people, too. We want people of achievement. If you
go to Harvard or Stanford or the Wharton School of Finance or any of these
schools, or Yale, and you`re the top in your class, you graduate, you want
to stay in the United States and you want to have your career here – you
can`t. They throw you out. They put you back in China. They send you
back to Mexico.

They send – those are the people. We need those people. We need
them in Silicon Valley. We need them in Manhattan. We need them in
Dallas. We need them. Why are we throwing them out? They want to be in
this country, and we throw them out.

So, we have so many things we can do. So many things we can do.

Now, I`ll give you a little thing that happened the other day. I made
a speech on behalf of the Tea Party. By the way, the Tea Party people are
fantastic people, OK.


They are fantastic people. They love the country so much.

And you talk about people that get decimated. They just get decimated
by the media. These are fantastic people. They love this country. These
are the people that we want.

But I look at what`s going on, and I look at what`s happening, and I
made a speech in Washington the other day for the tea party, and your
senator too, by the way, Senator Cruz, who happens to be a good guy, good


Now, if he comes out and attacks me on Wednesday night, I will take it
back immediately, OK? But he is a good guy.

So I`m standing there, and the Capitol building has a massive
scaffolding around it, right? Have you seen it? Massive. I said, man,
that`s a big deal.

As a real estate guy, the thing I do best is build. Hey, wouldn`t it
be good to have a president that really knows how to build? Like, I`m so
good at it. Infrastructure, roads, airports, highways, I could do it for a

You know, I`m building the old Post Office on Pennsylvania Avenue,
under budget, ahead of schedule. Can you believe that?

And I got it from the Obama administration. And everybody else wanted
it, which I still haven`t figured out, actually. But it`s going to be a
great hotel.

But they`re doing the capitol building, and it`s got massive, massive
scaffolding. And we`re having, in 2016, you know, we`re going to have a
thing called, like, an election, right? And they say that this massive
scaffolding – I heard this the other day from a construction firm that`s
involved in the job, that this massive scaffolding, they want to have it
for the inauguration. Wouldn`t that be nice for me?

But they want to have all the scaffolding down, but they can`t do the
work because they don`t have enough time. They have so much time. What
are they doing? Caulking, pointing, fixing. What the hell are they doing?
It`s not a big deal.

So they`re going to take all of the scaffolding down, pay millions of
dollars to do that, millions, and then after the inauguration, they`ll put
it back up and pay millions of dollars again. You believe that? Right?

Now, I say, do it simpler. Get them to work faster. Do you agree? I
like the idea.

No, no. I like the idea of the scaffolding being down when they`re
swearing me in, I do. I don`t want to see all this scaffolding all over
the place. I want to see that beautiful rotunda. I want to see it. I
love it. Such a beautiful building.

But you know what, I told them, I said, why don`t you just move
faster? Work faster. Get it done. So you take it down, you don`t have to
put it up.

They said, we never thought of that. Believe it? But they`re going
to take it down. They`re going to take it down. I hear the contract is
already – so they`re going to take it down and put it back up. Can you
believe this?

So, let me tell you. I`m going to save my first money for the United
States. If I win, I will let the scaffolding stay up, OK? All right?
I`ll let it stay up.


We`ll save millions of dollars. So in the pictures they`ll have some
scaffolding. They can probably nowadays do something with that anyway.
So, in the pictures we`ll have some scaffolding.

Not if I win – I love this woman. Stand up. What did you just say?
Not if you win, when you win.


So, a story I tell is a friend of mine who is a big manufacturer,
great guy. Can`t do business with China. Can`t get his stuff in there.
He calls me, he`s depressed.

He says to me, Donald, I can`t deal with China. He is a good guy.
Does great stuff. Better than they do. I can`t sell it. They won`t take
it. Finally, they`re taking it. They`re charging him a massive tax. A
massive tax.

Another friend of mine recently, he bought an airplane. A rich guy.
Bought – like for these people here. They probably all have the same –
but a really good plane.

I said, why did you sell your – he said, well, what happened is a man
from China ordered a plane, and he can`t get it back into China because the
tax is humongous. So, he is selling it cheap. The guy from China took a
hair cut because the tax is so big.

You don`t know about these stories, and yet we take everything they
have, no tax, free market.

Now, Japan. Japan sells us millions of cars. I was in Los Angeles a
few weeks ago. The biggest ships I`ve ever seen, ever. Thousands of cars
pouring off, pouring off, pouring.

We give them beef. And they don`t want it. You ever see where their
farmers are protesting, they don`t want it? We send it back. By the time
it goes back again it`s all gone.

Mexico. Everybody is moving to Mexico. You know that, right? Do you
know that? So many people moving to Mexico.

I love Mexico. I love Mexico. I deal with – I have hundreds and
hundreds and thousands, actually, of people that are Mexicans. They work
for me. They`re great people. But their leaders are smart. They`re

So we have Nabisco the other day. Oreos. I refuse to eat Oreos
anymore. They`re moving their plant to Mexico from Chicago. Why?


How does it help us? How does it help us? Ford. Ford – $2.5
billion plant being built in Mexico.


For cars and trucks and everything. I said the other day, it`s
actually not a bad idea because they can build a car, build a truck, and
they can have the illegals drive it right across the border. Nobody is
going to check them. They`ll save a fortune. They`ll save a fortune.

So, I don`t want them spending $2.5 billion – that`s a hell of a

Tennessee, another major car company, all set to go in Tennessee. At
the last moment, they said we`re not going to Tennessee. We`re going to
Mexico. It`s going to become the car capital of the world.

So, what happens is Ford, $2.5 billion plant. I said, what would Jeb
Bush or Hillary Clinton do if they were president? You have to remember
what I said. They`re controlled by the people that gave them the money,
totally, by the lobbyists and special interests. But they`re smart.

They would say, we don`t like this deal. We`re going to end it.

And then they would be called by their lobbyist and say, “Hillary, we
gave you millions of dollars, and I represent Ford, or whatever the company
it is. And we don`t want you to do that. It`s no good. We don`t want you
to do that.”

And you know what they`re going to say? OK, I`ll let them build it.

Now, compare that – first of all, believe me, that plant doesn`t get
built there. It gets built right next to – might not be here. It`s going
to be maybe in Michigan where they`re being decimated with the plants.
They`re being – everybody is leaving. They`re going to Mexico. And other

So, I said to myself, what would Bush do? What would Hillary do? And
what would Trump do? First of all, who would you rather have negotiating,
Jeb or Trump?


TRUMP: Believe me.

How about this? Hillary, who by the way was the worst secretary of
state in the history of our country –


You think about it. Would you rather have Hillary negotiating, or
would you rather have Trump?


TRUMP: OK. So let`s say – you know what Jeb does, you know what
Hillary does. The plant gets built. No problem. Don`t worry about it.
What the hell. It`s only 10,000 jobs or whatever it was, billions of

Our country is being drained. We`re being – our jobs are being
stolen by all these countries. Not just them. All of them.

So what would President Trump do? President Trump. Trump, Trump,

What would President Trump do?

So I`d call the head of Ford or whatever company. But I call the head
of Ford. I`d say, congratulations. I understand you`re building a massive
plant in Mexico and you`re taking a lot of jobs away from us in Michigan
and other places. I don`t like that. I don`t like it. I just don`t like

And he`ll say, well, Mr. President. It`s wonderful, wonderful for the
economy. Oh, great, just great.

It`s wonderful for whose economy? Not for our economy. We lose on
everything. We lose on jobs, we lose on money. We lose on everything.

So, what I would say is the following. I don`t want you to do that.
And if you do it, you`re not going to have any cars coming across the
border unless you pay a 35 percent tax. That`s it. That`s it.


No. That`s it! And they`re going to say – they`re going to say to
me, Mr. President, please, please, please.

Now, I guarantee you. Let`s say I make this call at 9:00 in the
morning. By 5:00 in the afternoon, I think the deal is done, they move
back to the United States.

It may take a half a day longer. It may be 12:00 the following day.
But I guarantee you – so they`ll – but what will happen is I will be
called by lobbyists.

But they`re not giving any, any money. I won`t take it. I turned
down $5 million last week. I just go like this. I close my eyes. You
know, it`s not natural to me to turn down money, doesn`t that make – but I
turn it down, because once – I know the game.

Once they give you, you sort of owe them, right? You know? How can
you tell a guy, you know, you gave me $5 million, you help me get elected
and I`m going to hurt with your client?

So what happens, I would say, is that I will get a call from the head
of Ford, and he`ll say, Mr. Trump, you`re doing the wrong thing. I`ll say,
all right, that`s fine. Just do it. Just do what I say. Do what I say.
And I guarantee you, after I tell all the lobbyists, special interests and
people that donate to everybody else but me because I won`t take their
money, after I tell them all no, within a short period of time they`ll call
up and say, Mr. President, we`ve decided to move our plant back to the
United States, sir.

That`s what is going to happen. That`s what`s going to happen. So
just a couple more points. And, you know – it`s depressing. Isn`t it
depressing? You know, we`re together. We love each other. But it`s like
depressing if you think about it because it doesn`t end.

I could stand up here all night long. I could tell you stories.
They`re all depressing. But the good news is they can all be remedied,
every one of them. They can be remedied.

So Iran deal. Iran deal. They did not read that great book – where
is that book? “The Art of the Deal.” They did not read it. Secretary of
State Kerry, he actually may go down as worse than Hillary Clinton because
he made this deal. He may be the worst. He may top her because this deal
is the all-time worst.

We`re giving them 1.5 – think of this. We`re actually giving them
$150 billion. Now, think of it. No. Think of it. We don`t have the
right to inspect. We have to wait 24 days, but before the clock starts
ticking, we have to go through this whole process. I mean, they could
build their nuclear whatever, distribute them, then have plenty of time
left to clean the place up.

So you have a 24-day period, not anytime, anywhere, which is what it
should be.

Think of another thing. They have one instance where, in a very major
area, they self-inspect. Now, can you believe this? They do their own
inspections. They do their own inspections. And another thing. Look.
Having a good deal – we should have doubled the sanctions let them wait
for another month or two, they would have come. We would have had a deal
like you`ve ever seen. We have our chief negotiator, Secretary Kerry at 73
years old goes into a bicycle race. No, think of it. He`s wearing the
whole deal – the helmet. He think he is in a bicycle race. He`s
actually in a race. It wasn`t just casual, I could understand that. This
is a guy that`s in a bicycle race. 73 years old, all the gear, falls,
breaks his leg in the middle of our thing. Takes two weeks off, goes back
with crutches, the people from Iran say, what a shmuck. can you believe

No, but this is who we negotiate with. Now, think of this. It`s
embarrassing. Isn`t it like embarrassing? How do you – I swear to you
that, if I`m elected president I will never go into a bicycle race. I

So – but you know, one of the things that so bothers me – it would
be great to have a deal because nuclear is a bad, bad thing. When you talk
about global
warming, all this stuff, you know Obama thinks the single biggest threat in
the world today is global warming. OK. Can you believe it? Then they
change it to climate change because the word “global warming” wasn`t
working. They changed it to extreme weather. You can`t get hurt with
extreme weather. Do you agree? It`s always going to be. There is a
tornado, there`s a little cold, there`s a wind. It`s always extreme.

He said the biggest threat we have is extreme weather. And I say, in
terms of global warming, the biggest threat we have is nuclear global
warming because we have incompetent politicians. That`s the biggest threat
we have. Not global warming, nuclear global warming. That`s the biggest
threat we have. Believe me.

So, with Iran, believe me, if I get in, you know, I am a person, I
believe in contracts, but boy, this one barely, barely – I will police
that thing, that horrible, horrible – I buy a lot of – I buy people, when
they go down the tubes, I buy bad contracts. I love to buy bad contracts
and then I make them good.

But I take that contract, I will do a number of those guys – and I`m
telling them up front, we will do a number that will make you very proud.
We`re going to end up with a good deal one way or the other.

And before I ever – if I win – in that little period before I take
office, you know what I`m going to say. Our prisoners, those prisoners
that Iran has that should have been let go two years ago and should have
never even been prisoners, one of them – one of them is a prisoner because
he`s a Christian. He is a Christian pastor. One is a member of the press.
You have a military – this is
the most incredible thing. Another is a journalist. So it was three

But then they took another one. So now it`s four. Now, Secretary
Kerry and
President Obama, when asked about why didn`t we at least get our prisoners
back? We got nothing. They`re going to be a rich terrorist state. They
are going to do numbers throughout the world. We`re fighting them in
Yemen. We`re fighting them in so many different places. They didn`t want
to bring that up either.

But when they said, why didn`t you get our prisoners back? They said,
we didn`t want to complicate the negotiation. Think of it. Think of it.

So what I said is very simple. If you had the right messenger, not
Kerry, not Obama, if you had the right messenger, that messenger – let`s
say it`s me. And by the way, by the way, I know the greatest negotiators
in the world. And you`ve heard me say it, some of them are horrible human
beings. They`re miserable, disgusting people. who cares. Who cares. Who
cares. They`re phenomenal, natural negotiators.

Andy knows what I am talking about. These people are so tough and so
ruthless and so brilliant – now, the Ford deal is too easy. I would just
handle that. No problem. I don`t want to waste anybody`s time. That`s
too easy.

But I know the toughest guys in the world. Toughest, smartest
negotiators. I know people that are great, I know people that are
overrated. I won`t use them. I know people you`ve never heard of that are
better than all of them.

I know the toughest guys and the smartest guys in the world. Carl
Icahn called me. Carl Icon is a great guy. Very successful. If I Carl
Icahn in charge of trade with China, believe me, believe me, we would do
great. And you know…

HAYES: All right.

Well, that`s Donald Trump speaking in Dallas. He is giving us fairly
standard stump speech, although a long, discursive riff on the end of his
relationship with NBC, particularly Apprentice. Shouted out Steve Burke,
the CEO of NBC/Universal, said he`s a great guy, wanted people to make sure
that he got that on the record, talked about amicable divorce. Talked
about things happening at the upfronts, going through his multimillion
dollar TV contract during his riff, which I think is part of the populist
outsider appeal that everyone has so ably chronicled.

Joining me now NBC News reporter Katie Tur is in Dallas. Katie, how
is it going over down there?

KATIE TUR, NBC NEWS: Well, this crowd is absolutely loving this
speech. You could almost describe them as rabid. They`re cheering,
they`re yelling, they`re clapping, standing up for applause, screaming USA,
USA at his immigration remarks.

They`re going alongside him at every move. It`s almost like being at
an old-school revival out here. People are very much into what he`s

The first half of this speech, though, is the first half of every one
of his rally stump speeches, it`s all about him. It`s about how much
people love him, how
much women love him, the polls are on his side. And how great he`s going
to be and how smart he is and his memory is wonderful.

He spends like the first half of all his speeches doing this, then
goes into the policy side of things. And he got a massive reaction out
here when he was talking about immigration, building a wall and a beautiful
door on that wall for people to come in legally.

But once he picked up on immigration, that`s when you saw this crowd
really start to kick up. Texas is a border state, of course. They call
this one of their main issues that they are concerned about. And when you
ask people in this crowd
why they love him so much, as they say literally everywhere we go, they say
we love that he is not politically correct. They say that he is saying
what they are thinking, and it`s proving to them that he`s not part of the
establishment, that he`s not beholden to anybody.

When I ask them about the comments about Carly Fiorina or Megyn Kelly,
I`m getting the same reaction, even from women, that they don`t necessarily
care. Yes, he`s not eloquent in the way he says certain things but they
think that it doesn`t matter. That he`s going to get into the White House
and he`s going to be able to change the course of this country and put it
back on track according to them.

So, there is really not much, I think, that he can say that will make
stop liking him save for saying that Hillary Clinton is wonderful or Obama
is wonderful. He can even talk about universal health care and they think
it`s okay when it`s coming from him, not okay of course when it`s coming
from Obama. But the crowd here is just thrilled to be in this arena with
him right now, Chris.

HAYES: All right. Katie Tur, thanks a lot.

Trip Gabriel is a political correspondent for the New York Times.
MSNBC contributor Michael Steele, former chairman of the Republican Party.
Trip, you were there in Iowa this weekend. There were some protesters at
the event. I think we have like a little bit of tape if we have it of how
one of those protesters got treated by someone who I believe it`s sort of
unclear whether they are an avowed Donald Trump supporter. They clearly
did not like the message of the protest sign. Do we have the tape? Can we
roll that?

OK. We`re cueing that up.

Did you get to see the sort of interaction between Trump supporters
protesters at Iowa State this weekend?

TRIP GABRIEL, : Just a little bit, chris. The protesters showed up
early. Trump was late. And by the time actually Trump arrived it was such
a huge throng around the stage where he spoke that the protesters weren`t
seen or heard.

But when the protesters did show up and they were pro-immigration
folks, critical of Donald Trump`s stances on immigration, his promises to
deport 11 million people so fast it will make your head spin, as we heard
him say again tonight. And, yeah, there was a certain amount of hostility.
I think the incident you have on tape, which I actually didn`t witness,
someone`s sign got torn up or

This was a college tailgate event outside of a big game here in Iowa.
And it was a young crowd, a lot of people, a lot of people had been
drinking. So, it wasn`t surprising that there was some hostility back and

HAYES: Michael, the biggest cheers we heard just then was on the
immigration riff. Basically, as far as I can tell, Donald Trump is running
on two things: one, a kind of sort of North American version of the
Caudillo strong man. Like everything is broken – no, really, it`s
basically Perone of the north. Everything is broken. Everyone is feckless
and corrupt. You need a strong man like me to
come in and bring order. That`s an old appeal. It`s been tried in lots of
places, usually led to disaster, sometimes the gulag.

And then also very strong immigration crackdown restrictionist
rhetoric. And that strikes me as the more difficult, dangerous one for the
Republican Party more broadly.

STEELE: It is.

I don`t know how Donald intends to navigate let`s say as thing
further, this race whittles down between him and one or two other people,
how he continues to navigate in that vein and not think that it`s going to
have some drag on the party.

People may like him personally, it doesn`t necessarily mean that
they`re going to vote for him at this point, it doesn`t necessarily mean
that they`re going to do anything else different down the road.

But what it does mean for the party is it becomes more and more
difficult for them to extricate themselves from language that a lot of
people outside the party
perceive as alienating. And that`s one of the things that the chairman,
the state party officials, particularly in those border states, are
grappling with right now because they`re seeing already the blow-back that
is coming from the language and the response that you saw in that hall

HAYES: Tripp, do you get any sense – you have been covering Trump
for The New York Times of any plateauing, any sort of slow-down in the
momentum, the forward thrust of this campaign?

GABRIEL: No, not. In fact on the contrary. I mean, as he has told
everybody in Dallas, his numbers are surging. Whether it`s in the early
primary – the early states like Iowa or New Hampshire or nationally.

He has not hit a ceiling yet. I`m not a polling expert, but I think
that`s one of of the mysteries of the whole Trump phenomenon. And it`s
certainly frustrating for every other Republican traditional candidate in
the race, even the non-traditional candidates.

HAYES: Yeah. I mean, there is a book in which there is a Don DeLillo
book in which there`s something called the most photographed barn in
America. And everyone drives up and takes a picture of the most
photographed barn in America and then you say, why is it the most
photographed barn in america? Well, you say it`s because it says it`s
because it`s the most photographed barn in America. It says it on the
sign. You have to pull over and take a picture of the most photographed
barn in America.

And right now Donald Trump is the most covered candidate in America.
Why is he the most covered candidate? Because he rates. Why does he rate?
Because he is the most covered candidate in America. No one can look away,
and thus we must keep watching.

STEELE: But Chris, if I could, there is a reason why, though. And
you heard it tonight in the speech on immigration. When he started talking
about the sanctuary cities. When he says, if I am president we`re not
going to deal with the sanctuary city crap. That is blue collar. That is
what people sitting in their living rooms watching this are saying and
that`s what resonates across the country.

HAYES: Almost as much as long details on how you got out of your
multimillion dollar TV deal which is also real kitchen table blue-collar

We will be right back. Tripp Gabriel, Michael Steele, thank you so


HAYES: All right.

That was someone who appears to have been a Trump supporter, at least
did not like the immigrant protest of Donald Trump at Iowa State this
weekend. We`ve seen this a number of times now. We had, of course,
Trump`s personal bodyguard cold cocking a guy in the face who tried to get
his signs back after they were confiscated. Two men in Boston who beat up
a Latino man and cited Trump in doing so. There was a man at the Iran
rally who pulled the hair of a protester – a pro-immigrant protester who
had shown up while yelling Trump, Trump, Trump. And then this, of course,
this weekend.

On the phone right now, we have a protester who is outside the Dallas
even tonight, because there have been pro-immigration, pro-immigrant
protesters outside those events.

Hector, are you there?


HAYES: Hey, how are you doing?

Can you tell me a little bit about what kind of protest you did
outside the event tonight and how it went.

HECTOR: Yes, of course. First and foremost thank you very much for
having me. My name is Manuel Randon (ph). I am actually a former national
vice president for Collegiate League of Latin American Citizens. And what
we just witnessed here was a very patriotic demonstration against hate
speech. And it was very successful. We came to have had upwards of around
2,000 people perhaps. We haven`t gotten the total numbers in just yet.
But it was a very successful event, very peaceful, all-American flags.

A group of – just large groups of Hispanic, non-Hispanic, white,
African-American, Texans, showing their disapproval of this hate speech
that`s being promoted by Mr. Trump in the last sent months.

HAYES: And Manuel, how are you treated by the folks that were coming
in to actually see Mr. Trump speak?

RANDON (ph): You know, to be honest we didn`t have any encounters
with them
necessarily. There has been a very nice police presence here, everything
has gone around – everything has been handled very peacefully.

They were forming the line and marching to the event center, and we
were on the opposite side. We marched from the Cathedral Guatalupe, which
is in downtown Dallas. We marched about a mile or so down to the American
Airlines center and
we then rallied on the opposite side (inaudible) would have been to the
American Airlines Center.

So fortunately there weren`t any confrontations of any sort.

HAYES: All right, Manuel Randon (ph), who was protesting outside the
Trump event. You can see some of the footage right there. Thank you for
your time.

Hector Randone (ph) is the closer for the Cubs, hence my mistake. He
is in my head. He gave up the homer to lose the game the other day.

All right, up next, Bernie Sanders goes into the lion`s den, if you`re
going to use a Biblical metaphor. Stick around to see how that went.


HAYES: Happening live right now, Presidential Candidate Bernie
Sanders speaking in front of what would be considered for him a friendly
crowd at the Prince William County fairgrounds in Manases, Virginia. We`ll
keep our eye on that.

But for my money, the most interesting campaign event of this season,
all season, happened earlier today when Sanders, who spent most of his
political career as a self-described socialist, went to Jerry Fallwell`s
Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia.

The site of Senator Ted Cruz`s presidential launch, with attendance
mandatory was today home to Senator Sanders as part of the university`s
weekly convocation series.

Now generally we might think of self-styled centrists or moderates as
the ones most effective and most willing to reach out across the aisle in
this case to conservative Christians.

One of the things that`s really admirable about Bernie Sanders is that
he really genuinely believes his own message, and believes in it so fully
he believes others will believe in it too if only they hear the good news.

He`s an evangelist in that way, so it makes sense that Bernie sanders,
the preeminent evangelist of American progressive values at this moment
went to an evangelist university to evangelize.


SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: Amos 5:24. “But let justice roll
on like a river, righteousness like a never failing stream, justice,
treating others the way we want to be treated, treating all people, no
matter their race, their color, their stature in life, with respect and
with dignity.


HAYES: Now even though Liberty University made room for Sanders
to be part of the crowd of 12,000, Sanders recognized that, by far, most of
the students in attendance would not agree with him on particularly on
certain social
issues like abortion and gay rights. But he got that out of the way right
from the start and proceeded to deliver his message on economic justice in
a way he hoped would resonate.


SANDERS: That there is no justice when so few have so much and so
many have so little.

The top .1 percent today in America owns almost as much wealth as the
bottom 90 percent. And in your hearts, you will have to determine the
morality of that and the justice of that.


HAYES: Joining me now White House reporter for Buzzfeed, Evan
McMorris-Santoro who attended today`s event at Liberty University. He`s
there right now in Manassas.

Evan, I was fascinated by this event. Tell me a little bit about how
it came about.

EVAN MCMORRIS-SANTORO, BUZZFEED: Well, you know, the thing about this
event that you have to know is that this is an event that both served the
needs of Liberty University and served the needs of Bernie sanders.

Liberty University, months ago, invited Bernie Sanders to come and
speak as part of their sort of convocation system where they`re trying to
bring in new voices, show off that the school is interested in showing
their students different voices and Sanders accepted giving him a chance to
show that he can talk to all different kinds of audiences and can go before
audiences that would be most unlikely to listen to his message and deliver
his message.

And I think that both sides came away from the event feeling like they
had succeeded. The Liberty University crowd felt like they – you know,
the administrators felt like their crowd had stayed kind of respectful,
listened to the senator. At certain times they applauded him and they kind
of paid attention and stuck with him on his speech, other times they were
less interested in him as he spoke about some social issues as you

And the Sanders campaign walked away with another sort of long Sanders
stump speech showing him able to reach across lines, the way that they
characterize it is he was able to reach out and find his way to connect
with this evangelical electorate.

I mean, I`m not sure how successful it is, but they certainly like
they were able to speak his message to that crowd.

HAYES: Yeah. And what`s interesting to me, my understanding is
Liberty has
invited everyone, right. They`ve invited all the candidates, they`ve
invited the
Democratic candidates, at least. I think they`ve invited Hillary Clinton.

MCMORRIS-SANTORO; they have. I mean – yeah, they`ve said that.

HAYES: Yeah, I mean, just that he would take them up on it. And I
think that it was interesting to watch him essentially try to pitch – it
wasn`t pro forma. I have watched the Sanders stump speech and this was a
different speech. I mean, parts – big chunks of it were the stump speech
but he did try to craft and
tailor it to this audience in a way that I think he thought would be
maximally appealing to them.

MCMORRIS-SANTORO: Oh, it was very, very different. I mean, I`ve been
to a bunch of these standard stump speeches now. And generally it`s sort
of a 50-minute to an hour-long kind of rallying the troops type of speech.
This was like Professor Bernie Sanders. I mean, he really – he reached
way out.

And he talked about the bible, as you quoted in those package pieces
that you showed a second ago. He talked about Pope Francis and the
religious support for
boosting the poor up and spending more government money to support the poor
education and things like that. This was a totally different Sanders. I
think really reached out and tried to make this work.

I mean, his aides told me ahead of the speech that he wrote it himself
in longhand. And you could see he was pretty engaged with it. He was
engaged with the crowd. He was engaged with what was going on. It was a
very, very different Bernie Sanders.

And as you say, I think the most fascinating thing I have seen this
whole campaign season, if not in a couple campaign seasons.

HAYES: Yeah, it made me realize how much I want there to be more of
this in
every direction. And it got me thinking about I think it was a Bernie
Sanders proposal early on when he got into the campaign saying there should
be cross-party debates, even early on. And it made me think about how much
I would love to see a Bernie Sanders, a Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, Martin
O`Malley on stage, because there just isn`t enough of that generally.

MCMORRIS-SANTORO: I think that that is something that the Liberty
University people would agree with you with. The Liberty folks feel like
they`ve shown that they`re willing to do this, and they feel like
oftentimes progressives and liberal groups are not as willing to do this as
they are. And other universities are not as willing as they are.

So, that`s sort of what they`re – what their…

HAYES: Their take away.

MCMORRIS-SANTORO: …from this. And it was really interesting.

HAYES: All right, Evan McMorris-Santoro, thank you very much.

That is All In for this evening. Tomorrow night make sure to tune in
for my
special one on one interview with the very tall Mayor de Blasio. The
Rachel Maddow show starts right now.


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