Sean Penn: Trump has people rooting for The Joker

Actor Sean Penn says Americans are losing their grip on reality versus fantasy, which explains people rooting for a villain like Trump “against their own interests.” In a provocative interview with MSNBC anchor Ari Melber about the actor’s new book, Penn also argues life is a choice between being “a brand” and searching for human meaning, and he responds to criticism of his controversial interview with El Chapo and to literary critics who wrote that the Oscar winning actor should “shut his face” after publishing his new dystopian novel.