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Kim Jong Il and Havel: A one and a ten on scale of human rights

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Former Czech president Vaclav Havel and North Korean leader Kim Jong Il both died Sunday. Fmr. U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs, P.J. Crowley, and fmr. Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs, Jamie Rubin, discuss how both leaders were vastly different and what impact they leave on their countries.Dec.19.2011

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